5th Test Border Gavaskar Trophy January 3-7 1000hrs @ the SCG

[Cataholic]

Physically attacking? Talk of assault laws - some of the comments around this are getting ridiculous. Kohli should have copped a game suspension, but it was far from a physical attack. It was a misdemeanour that he should have copped a whack for and had to say he did the wrong thing for, but that's it.

Kohli DID make deliberate, unwanted and aggressive contact with Konstas.

No-one is saying he should be charged. Just pointing out that, by definition, he DID assault Konstas.

He should've been suspended, but as we know, the powers that be lack the cajones to do that out of fear of the BCCI.

 

[Cataholic]

Hopefully the boy can get a hug off his mum, he must be so traumatised and have a badly bruised shoulder.

In a pub or out on the street Kohli would have a badly bruised mouth.

 

[sr36]

Kohli DID make deliberate, unwanted and aggressive contact with Konstas.

No-one is saying he should be charged. Just pointing out that, by definition, he DID assault Konstas.

He should've been suspended, but as we know, the powers that be lack the cajones to do that out of fear of the BCCI.

You'd be hard-pressed to convince me it was "aggressive."

 

[Silver Tongue]

In a pub or out on the street Kohli would have a badly bruised mouth.

And Kohli is such a frail looking little fella in his civvies ...

 

[Cataholic]

You'd be hard-pressed to convince me it was "aggressive."

He clearly went out of his way, literally, to initiate contact.

He did so with provocation.

That he wasn't suspended for such an act on a cricket field was gutless by officials.

Meantime Kohli hides behind the BCCI like a smug coward.

Anyhow, it's done and dusted.

We all see it differently.

Play on.

 

[Cataholic]

And Kohli is such a frail looking little fella in his civvies ...

He wouldn't have the balls to do it anywhere he didn't have the BCCI to protect him.

Egotistical narcissist.

 

[beatnik]

Ok but don't tell me Australia has no history of sledging and intimidation.

You’re reaching here…Australia showed themselves to be calm and respectful even if Konstas was a bit chirpy…in response a couple of Indian ‘greats’ embarrassed themselves with their hysterical overreactions

 

[PhatBoy]

Kohli's shoulder charge was unwanted, disrespectful and aggressive.

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Oh geez

 

[PhatBoy]

You’re reaching here…Australia showed themselves to be calm and respectful even if Konstas was a bit chirpy…in response a couple of Indian ‘greats’ embarrassed themselves with their hysterical overreactions

One did.
That was it mate.

 

[monty1104]

In all of this discussion, I think the fact that Konstas is 19 is irrelevant to both sides of the conversation.

Kohli shouldered a 19yo… who cares, he shouldn’t do it to anybody*

A 19yo shouldn’t be so “cocky”, hasn’t earned his stripes, etc. He’s playing in an open age competition, he has every right to be there, act like any other player and be treated like any other.

* I do understand the POV that Kohli likely wouldn’t have done this to a more senior member of the team, I just think the age of the victim doesn’t make what Kohli did any more/less right or wrong.

 

[Mr Meow]

Hopefully the boy can get a hug off his mum, he must be so traumatised and have a badly bruised shoulder.

Mate you're the only one that needs a hug based off your theatrics in here the past few days. Your extended meltdown over Konstas has surely run it's course.

 

[Mateyman]

Stop the presses. Cricketer being a smartarse on field. The only thing to actually stop the presses about it is that Mark Waugh and Ricky Ponting didn't approve of a cricketer being a smartarse onfield...

I respect their opinions, but Bumrah is a god - everyone loves him - if he's cracked the shits, the assumption is always going to be that it's the other guys fault.

But let's look at how this played out:

In his first innings Konstas played some audacious shots and took Bumrah down in his opening spell. The whole slips cordon where chirping hard to heap on the pressure - including Jaiswal. Kohli took it up a notch and bizarrely made the decision to bump into him.

After his innings, Konstas takes selfies with the crowd and gets crazy positivity from the crowd and both Australian and Indian cricket media. Then when fielding plays up to the crowd waving his hands upwards. At this stage he hasn't fielded at silly mid off and hasn't chirped at all - except for whatever he said when Kohli bumped into him.

Second innings, Bumrah bowls him through the gate with a ripper and celebrated the wicket by mimicing and taking the piss out of Konstas by waving his arms to the crowd. At this stage, it's pretty clear the Indian team can't stand him. But has he done anything wrong? India made a judgement call on some young kid playing some audacious shots, stuffing around with the crowd and receiving adulation and had him in their sights.

Then in India's second innings, Konstas is moved to silly mid off and starts chirping. They went to stump mic on the commentary and he wasn't saying anything that Labuschange and Carey weren't saying. Jaiswal, a young player who chirps both in the field and even chirped whilst batting, loses it at him and then plays a couple of stupid shots because he was trying to smash the ball into Konstas at silly mid off.

Final incident with Bumrah, Konstas says not much at all, Bumrah cracks the shit.

You can try to portray Konstas as having behaved badly - but he really didn't. India just took a dislike to him and I'd suggest it was for some pretty petty judgemental reasons.

This is a great summary. With the reaction you'd think he'd actually started smashing down the stumps with his cricket bat out on field or something - the only even slightly questionable thing he did was say 'he's not ready mate' to delay a couple seconds in a last over scenario. Anyone else does that everyone just jogs on - non issue.

 

[sr36]

One did.
That was it mate.

I think Jaiswal did too. He was batting beautifully and a kid he didn't like moved to silly mid off and said the same sort of stuff that gets said in every other game and was being said by two other Aussies and he started playing shit shots in an attempt to smash a cricket ball into the kid he didn't like. It was pretty poor.

 

[PhatBoy]

I think Jaiswal did too. He was batting beautifully and a kid he didn't like moved to silly mid off and said the same sort of stuff that gets said in every other game and was being said by two other Aussies and he started playing shit shots in an attempt to smash a cricket ball into the kid he didn't like. It was pretty poor.

That happens every game from the batsmen’s perspective too. I have done that more times than I can count. Fielder gets in my eye line and I want him out of there, adds some annoying banter to boot, one sure way to potentially get rid of them: spank a couple of shots through that region. Becomes a bit of a ‘who blinks first’ battle

 

[sr36]

That happens every game from the batsmen’s perspective too. I have done that more times than I can count. Fielder gets in my eye line and I want him out of there, adds some annoying banter to boot, one sure way to potentially get rid of them: spank a couple of shots through that region. Becomes a bit of a ‘who blinks first’ battle

I do agree generally with what you're saying about hitting through the silly mid off. But considering Jaiswal first had a whinge about him being there and then they were such bad shots in the contest of the match, I do think he was trying to ping him more than trying to get him moved. We weren't going to move him if he cracked a few into or through him - particularly if he was playing high risk shots to get him gone.

 

[Gethelred]

Let's see how it plays out for him especially if he plays overseas.
I wish him all the best, I just think he needs to pull his head in.

No, you don't. You have no higher moral ground here to "agree to disagree" or to "wish him all the best", not after you've spent almost a damn week pissing yourself up and down this thread with the same intransigence you rumble with on other parts of the forum.

Stop affecting the pretense you think you're in the right somehow. You're inconsistent, you bite back regardless of what is said to oppose you or the degree to which those inconsistencies are pointed out.

You're here to troll.

I'd love to say this changes my opinion of you, but it doesn't.

 

[Black Diamond]

Mate you're the only one that needs a hug based off your theatrics in here the past few days. Your extended meltdown over Konstas has surely run it's course.

Careful, you'll be accused of racism if you keep this up.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

No, you don't. You have no higher moral ground here to "agree to disagree" or to "wish him all the best", not after you've spent almost a damn week pissing yourself up and down this thread with the same intransigence you rumble with on other parts of the forum.

Stop affecting the pretense you think you're in the right somehow. You're inconsistent, you bite back regardless of what is said to oppose you or the degree to which those inconsistencies are pointed out.

You're here to troll.

I'd love to say this changes my opinion of you, but it doesn't.

Don't try and bully me, I'm entitled to my opinion which is the same as many people have. Stop calling me a troll because you don't like my opinion.

 

[Gethelred]

Don't try and bully me,

Please.

I'm entitled

I agree.

... to my opinion which is the same as many people have.

You are not exempt from criticism for your opinion, nor is your opinion any good. I think less of people who share your opinion purely because it's your opinion they share, and I question my own in the places we share them purely because you are so utterly incapable of anything resembling reflection.

You dug this hole, and you kept digging with every post. Is it really my fault that you hit the water level and it's started to flood?

Stop calling me a troll because you don't like my opinion.

Stating your incorrect, inconsistent and idiotic opinion once? Yeah, I can deal with that.

Repeating it over and over and over and over and over for days on end, with the inconsistencies between how you treat the same behaviour from opposition players towards ours exposed compared to how you view Konstas' behaviour towards Bumrah, with how willing you are to allow physical contact to occur on a cricket pitch, with how willing you are to make victim blaming excuses for the behaviour of the opposition?

Yeah, you're either trolling or you're a full blown imbecile. I'll leave it to you to decide whichever you prefer.

 

[Gethelred]

People have been plenty patient enough with you, Aristotle Pickett. If you don't like it plain spoken to you what you are incapable of acknowledging to yourself, get out of the thread.

 

[revo333]

Earning your stripes is a concept that came from serving in armies and is an outdated one for elite sport.

Exactly, everyone should be playing by the same rules.

All of this talk about earning the right to make physical contact with a batsman while fielding is pure garbage.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Pretty pathetic whataboutism. It's a tough sport and sledging is part of it. All teams sledge or chirp or whatever you want to call it.
However purposely physically attacking a 19 y.o because he hit a few boundaries is absolutely out of order and shows the depths this once great player has fallen to.

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BCCI would say that its a optical illusion.

 

[the_interloper]

In all of this discussion, I think the fact that Konstas is 19 is irrelevant to both sides of the conversation.

Kohli shouldered a 19yo… who cares, he shouldn’t do it to anybody*

A 19yo shouldn’t be so “cocky”, hasn’t earned his stripes, etc. He’s playing in an open age competition, he has every right to be there, act like any other player and be treated like any other.

* I do understand the POV that Kohli likely wouldn’t have done this to a more senior member of the team, I just think the age of the victim doesn’t make what Kohli did any more/less right or wrong.

I agree with all of this, I posted something similar earlier on.

And on Konstas, does anyone think he was sledging them without Cummin's consent? If Cummins didn't like it he'd have told him straight up, he seems to run a fairly tight ship.

 

[Soggy2112]

Telling Bumrah to go back to his mark , being a clown at short leg. Disrepecting India in general.
There's no way Cummins or anyone else in the team would act like that.

As I said, he got it wrong when he got involved with Bumrah.

However, I think it’s okay for a 19 year old to get carried away and still be figuring it out as to who he wants to be.

Being a clown at short leg is disrespecting the game? Close in fielders being lippy and trying to put batters off their game has always been part of the game. In fact, he did it without insulting of being abusive to anyone.

And how did he disrespect India in general?

• Was it the way he batted? Because that was a specific plan which recognised how good Bumrah has been and that a different approach was needed. That’s hardly disrespectful.
• Was it the celebrations? Because Jadeja pretends he has a sword every time he makes a 50, is that disrespectful?
• Was it the signing autographs? Because I saw just as many Indian fans getting autographs.

From my observation there was one incident where he crossed the line, compared to multiple the other way. And when he was provoked he did not respond. Watch after the Bumrah thing how many players get in his face, he does not bite back at any of them.

You’ve said you thought Jaiswal to Starc was good banter which I agree, but how does that differ from anything Konstas did?

If we’re talking disrespecting the game though let’s look at some real examples.

• Giving a send off to a player that has made 140. Then blaming said player in the media and taking no responsibility for the resulting incident.
• Intentionally making physical contact with another player in attempt to intimidate them.
• Showing clear dissent for umpiring decisions (at least 3 clear examples).

 

[Cataholic]

Oh geez

Don't misunderstand me!

I'm not calling for an assault charge.

I was just pointing out to the troll trivialising the contact with Konstas that such contact on the street, or in a pub, COULD be conceived as an assault and would quite likely earn the instigator a smack in the mouth.

That's all.