List Mgmt. Adelaide Crows 2021 List Management thread

[Dudersaurus]

Unless she was a maths teacher, in which case she would be disappointed that he/she didn't know the difference between a ratio and a percentage difference

Dang. Just beat me to it by 40 minutes.

 

[Mego Red]

No club would trade him. I wouldn't even play him in the under 18 championships. It would be pointless.

I have never seen another 18 year old do this to grown men in a 1st class competition, and I have been watching players debut since the early 80's.




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If you want some perspective, here's Martin at the same age:

Quick, now show us a video of Bryce Gibbs at the same age

 

[Mego Red]

We could have gotten a second round pick in the 30s from the right buyer based on how he played in those seasons.

It's a matter of finding value in what you have but know you don't need, what you know is never going to answer any of your list questions, and then using that value to try again for something better. Other clubs do it, we don't, instead choosing to hold onto every single player until the trade value bottoms out.

His strengths and limitations were as clear then as they are now.

Frankly, he probably is more highly regarded now than he's ever been. He and the club have worked towards accenting his positives. The issues around being too slow in disposing the ball remains though.

 

[Golumless]

FREE AGENT/RETIREMENT DEPARTURES
Daniel Talia (Ret.)
Tom Lynch (Ret.)
Jake Kelly (band 5 compo)
(Tyson Stengle)
Matt Crouch (band 3 compo)

UNCONTRACTED ROOKIES RELEASED
Ben Davis (R)
Kieran Strachan (R)
David Mackay (R)
James Borlase (R Cat B)

UNCONTRACTED - RETAINED AS ROOKIES
Patrick Parnell
Tariek Newchurch (Cat B)
Nick Murray.

UNCONTRACTED RE-SIGN
Taylor Walker (1 year)
Ronin O'Connor (2 years)
Lachlan Gollant (2 years)

Is how I see it shaking out from here. The only point of contention is Daniel Talia. I could see us retaining him.

 

[DJ75]

Quick, now show us a video of Bryce Gibbs at the same age

There is more than a bit of Dangerfield in the way he uses his strength.

 

[Vader]

FREE AGENT/RETIREMENT DEPARTURES
Daniel Talia (Ret.)
Tom Lynch (Ret.)
Jake Kelly (band 5 compo)
(Tyson Stengle)
Matt Crouch (band 3 compo)

UNCONTRACTED ROOKIES RELEASED
Ben Davis (R)
Kieran Strachan (R)
David Mackay (R)
James Borlase (R Cat B)

UNCONTRACTED - RETAINED AS ROOKIES
Patrick Parnell
Tariek Newchurch (Cat B)
Nick Murray.

UNCONTRACTED RE-SIGN
Taylor Walker (1 year)
Ronin O'Connor (2 years)
Lachlan Gollant (2 years)

Is how I see it shaking out from here. The only point of contention is Daniel Talia. I could see us retaining him.

I don't see Kelly going anywhere, but other than that I think you're on the money.

 

[Kickin Goals]

So Borlase is looking like he will be no good?

 

[bigman]

So Borlase is looking like he will be no good?

He can play kickn goals. He is one of our better defenders. He has been rarely beaten this year. He is a footballer and competitor

 

[simmo97]

FREE AGENT/RETIREMENT DEPARTURES
Daniel Talia (Ret.)
Tom Lynch (Ret.)
Jake Kelly (band 5 compo)
(Tyson Stengle)
Matt Crouch (band 3 compo)

UNCONTRACTED ROOKIES RELEASED
Ben Davis (R)
Kieran Strachan (R)
David Mackay (R)
James Borlase (R Cat B)

UNCONTRACTED - RETAINED AS ROOKIES
Patrick Parnell
Tariek Newchurch (Cat B)
Nick Murray.

UNCONTRACTED RE-SIGN
Taylor Walker (1 year)
Ronin O'Connor (2 years)
Lachlan Gollant (2 years)

Is how I see it shaking out from here. The only point of contention is Daniel Talia. I could see us retaining him.

if a club offer Matt crouch a contract worthy of only band 3 compo we would match it.

 

[Kickin Goals]

I really don’t understand why everyone wants Matt Crouch to leave. I’d much rather him than Keays or Sloane doing the heavy lifting for the young blokes. Love Sloaney but he is starting to slow down and only has a couple of years left max.

 

[Bazz_27]

FREE AGENT/RETIREMENT DEPARTURES
Daniel Talia (Ret.)
Tom Lynch (Ret.)
Jake Kelly (band 5 compo)
(Tyson Stengle)
Matt Crouch (band 3 compo)

UNCONTRACTED ROOKIES RELEASED
Ben Davis (R)
Kieran Strachan (R)
David Mackay (R)
James Borlase (R Cat B)

UNCONTRACTED - RETAINED AS ROOKIES
Patrick Parnell
Tariek Newchurch (Cat B)
Nick Murray.

UNCONTRACTED RE-SIGN
Taylor Walker (1 year)
Ronin O'Connor (2 years)
Lachlan Gollant (2 years)

Is how I see it shaking out from here. The only point of contention is Daniel Talia. I could see us retaining him.

Would be bizarre to move on Borlase unless we need that spot or the rules change. Can have up to 3 cat b players and doesn't affect the rest of your list. Also picking a kid as a KPD and giving him 1 year and getting rid of him makes no sense. Borlase & newchurch were always going to be long term projects.

 

[Mutineer]

He can play kickn goals. He is one of our better defenders. He has been rarely beaten this year. He is a footballer and competitor

Won't make it as an AFL defender unless he learns when it's right to spoil and when to go for the mark, currently he gets outmarked too often when the percentage play is go the spoil.

 

[Redline]

Won't make it as an AFL defender unless he learns when it's right to spoil and when to go for the mark, currently he gets outmarked too often when the percentage play is go the spoil.

I haven't seen enough of him but I would of thought that's part of the learning curve. The pressure on the SANFl defence is fairly relentless due to turnovers.
I don't doubt what you say, I'd personally give him another year.

 

[Mego Red]

I really don’t understand why everyone wants Matt Crouch to leave. I’d much rather him than Keays or Sloane doing the heavy lifting for the young blokes. Love Sloaney but he is starting to slow down and only has a couple of years left max.

Yeah, I agree.

I think move Keays forward into the Murphy role.

Slide Sloane back for some experience in defense.

Mids are Crouch, Laird and a mix of kids getting mid rotations.

 

[Mego Red]

These are really the only moving parts left on our list, other than trades (Himmelburg?).

UNCONTRACTED SENIOR LIST
Daniel Talia

12

Daniel Talia

Age

33

Ht

197cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

169.9

3star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.5

2star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.1

2star

MG

187.6

3star

D

11.4

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

3.4

5star

Taylor Walker

13

Taylor Walker

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.7

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

1.6

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

Matthew Crouch
Tom Lynch
Jake Kelly

29

Jake Kelly

Age

29

Ht

190cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.5

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.6

4star

MG

157.8

2star

D

8.1

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

104.1

2star

D

14.8

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.2

5star

MG

107.0

2star

Ronin O'Connor
Lachlan Gollant

UNCONTRACTED ROOKIE LIST
Ben Davis

40

Ben Davis

Age

27

Ht

189cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.5

1star

HB

2.5

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.5

3star

MG

169.0

3star

D

5.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.0

3star

MG

169.0

3star

D

6.0

2star

K

3.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.5

4star

MG

169.0

3star

(R)
Kieran Strachan (R)
David Mackay

14

David Mackay

Age

36

Ht

181cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.7

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

315.4

4star

D

16.5

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

9.5

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.0

3star

MG

265.5

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.2

3star

(R)
Nick Murray (replaced Tyson Stengle)
Patrick Parnell

James Borlase (Cat B)
Tariek Newchurch (Cat B)

 

[Golumless]

if a club offer Matt crouch a contract worthy of only band 3 compo we would match it.

Well that depends on the band 3 compo. <3 years? I reckon we'd opt to. The interesting part is when it gets to 4-5 years and considering we've resigned Laird, I suspect we walk.

 

[Golumless]

Would be bizarre to move on Borlase unless we need that spot or the rules change. Can have up to 3 cat b players and doesn't affect the rest of your list. Also picking a kid as a KPD and giving him 1 year and getting rid of him makes no sense. Borlase & newchurch were always going to be long term projects.

Newchurch I agree. Borlase though isn't a long term project player and really is the bottom of the heap for a type of player we just have too many of (seeing we have McAsey, Murray, Butts, if we had any sense Worrell as our KPD depth). It depends on how much we rate O'Loughlin in particular, but I could see a swap of cat B rookies.

Though I thought cat B was 2 per list? If it is 3, Borlase survives.

 

[Bazz_27]

Newchurch I agree. Borlase though isn't a long term project player and really is the bottom of the heap for a type of player we just have too many of (seeing we have McAsey, Murray, Butts, if we had any sense Worrell as our KPD depth). It depends on how much we rate O'Loughlin in particular, but I could see a swap of cat B rookies.

These guys get minimum wage i assume, while we may have enough there already it makes no sense to boot a Key position player after 1 season. If we thought he was good and he doesn't seem to be getting disgraced at the level and we can have 3 cat b rookies so we could have O'laughlin too then whats the harm? I would say Murray is the most expendable in that list anyway tbh. Reckon we will let him go at the end of the year and he was just a backup when we knew Talia would miss games

 

[Johnny Rutten]

Newchurch I agree. Borlase though isn't a long term project player and really is the bottom of the heap for a type of player we just have too many of (seeing we have McAsey, Murray, Butts, if we had any sense Worrell as our KPD depth). It depends on how much we rate O'Loughlin in particular, but I could see a swap of cat B rookies.

Though I thought cat B was 2 per list? If it is 3, Borlase survives.

Under current rules, I'm pretty sure it's a maximum of two Cat B players. Was three last year, pre-COVID.

 

[Mutineer]

Newchurch I agree. Borlase though isn't a long term project player and really is the bottom of the heap for a type of player we just have too many of (seeing we have McAsey, Murray, Butts, if we had any sense Worrell as our KPD depth). It depends on how much we rate O'Loughlin in particular, but I could see a swap of cat B rookies.

Though I thought cat B was 2 per list? If it is 3, Borlase survives.

I don't see Worrell as a KPD and reading today's press release I'm pretty sure the club see him the same way, more the 3rd tall back or forward type. I actually liked one of his games at the Nationals where he booted 4 goals from memory playing forward where his athleticism and pace looked very dangerous.

 

[Vader]

These are really the only moving parts left on our list, other than trades (Himmelburg?).

UNCONTRACTED SENIOR LIST
Daniel Talia
Taylor Walker
Matthew Crouch
Tom Lynch
Jake Kelly
Ronin O'Connor
Lachlan Gollant

UNCONTRACTED ROOKIE LIST
Ben Davis (R)
Kieran Strachan (R)
David Mackay (R)
Nick Murray (replaced Tyson Stengle)
Patrick Parnell

James Borlase (Cat B)
Tariek Newchurch (Cat B)

Yes... hence why I've been banging on about about how difficult it will be to make the minimum cuts required to participate in the ND.

We should get 2x senior list positions back, if the AFL reverts list sizes back to what they were in 2020 (and before). But we all know how trustworthy the AFL is when it comes to keeping promises like this.

 

[Deaneus!]

Hypothetical Trade for you…. Would you trade your first pick in 2021 & 2022 & Fischer McAsley. For the first pick in 2021 national draft? Jason Horne

Is that something you would consider?

Your like to comment ratio is pretty low. You need to think before you comment.

Your is 18% and his is 5.5%. Mine is 125%

You both need to try harder.

And you need to remember you’re a guest on this board, lest your figures get ruined by an infraction through easily-avoided rudeness

 

[Crow till I die]

And you need to remember you’re a guest on this board, lest your figures get ruined by an infraction through easily-avoided rudeness

fear not, we flushed him out and away with some well placed comments

 

[Redline]

Yes... hence why I've been banging on about about how difficult it will be to make the minimum cuts required to participate in the ND.

We should get 2x senior list positions back, if the AFL reverts list sizes back to what they were in 2020 (and before). But we all know how trustworthy the AFL is when it comes to keeping promises like this.

That's the bit I can't get my head around, with our team and list we shouldn't have squeeze for spots. Sure we have some good young players but so do all clubs.

 

[Scorpus]

We have three valuable picks at the draft (one first and two seconds) and we have to upgrade Butts this year onto the senior list. So at minimum I would expect four changes to the senior list.

This means four of our uncontracted senior list players have to go. Unless the AFL expands lists