Autopsy AFL 2024 Round 14 - Lions v Saints Fri June 14th 7:40pm AEST (Gabba)

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

In 3 quarters the Saints beat the Lions
14.9
To
12.10
Don't let teams have 7 goal opening terms, while only kicking a couple, unless you are capable of banging on 8 in a row.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Saints have way too much talent to not try to move the ball quickly, King looks like Curnow when the ball is pinging around.

Not a bad game but jeez the Saints didn’t do themselves any favours over the first three quarters

 

[2big sound]

Marshall blocks constantly too. Last week Briggs ran straight into our ruckman and blocked every single time without ever being pinged.

Ruck rules have changed this year. Can do whatever you want now.

He was pinged at least twice.

 

[.Shotties.]

Yes, yes they did.


There’s several other scenarios also that were apparent tonight including loose players on the wing with an opponent arriving late and taking a foot or two.

There weren't though. There were no scenarios where a player arrived a full few seconds after the mark was taken and came in from the side, over the mark. There were some trailing in the contest, or some in a marking contest (as per your ruck example) but none absolutely out of it like Windhager was.

 

[p4p1]

That is surprising but those stats don't really tell the whole story, you got more free kicks and fifties when and where it mattered.

Forgetting all the first half goals you kicked from frees?

 

[Toffee Lion]

That is surprising but those stats don't really tell the whole story, you got more free kicks and fifties when and where it mattered.

I was just answering the guy asking for the stat. I agree with you.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

20 possessions for L Neale...

Another 3 vote game 🎖

 

[.Shotties.]

Rightio so let's stop the game, move the kicker 50m up the ground to give him a guaranteed goal... I'd rather see the rule abolished and the player with the ball work the remaining field length even if it's 'crimped'.

Wat? Abolish a penalty for encroaching the mark? How do you see that playing out in reality?

 

[zyzzbruh]

Wat? Abolish a penalty for encroaching the mark? How do you see that playing out in reality?

The penalty being that you can't man the mark coming from the opposite direction. That's why he was pinged, not because he was over the mark.

 

[Tjblues]

Rightio so let's stop the game, move the kicker 50m up the ground to give him a guaranteed goal... I'd rather see the rule abolished and the player with the ball work the remaining field length even if it's 'crimped'. At least that's football. And both teams would have to contend with it. The situation rarely happens to begin with, and it barely infringes the attacking team in comparison to the penalty it imposes on the defending team.

It's an absolute shame and ruins the spectacle. How about we allow the players to create the game rather than impose ridiculously pedantic rules.

You aren’t thinking this through.

If that rule doesn’t exist, players will be coached to go over the mark EVERY TIME.

So then the umpires will have to stop the game to move them back EVERY TIME.

So the game turns into a slow, rolling flood, that is completely awful so watch.

 

[Tjblues]

The penalty being that you can't man the mark coming from the opposite direction. That's why he was pinged, not because he was over the mark.

It’s 100% from him being over the mark

 

[zyzzbruh]

It’s 100% from him being over the mark

It wasn't, every player is warned to move back in that case. He got done for encroaching towards the mark from the opposite side of the kicker.

 

[.Shotties.]

The penalty being that you can't man the mark coming from the opposite direction. That's why he was pinged, not because he was over the mark.

He was like 3+ metres over.

 

[hawkman]

Well done Brisbane, got out of jail with the help of the umpires and us butchering goal scoring chances again.

We didn't get the 4 points but we got the moral victory and answered the critics that said we can't play entertaining football.

16 goals tonight and it should have been at least 20 goals with all the chances we had, if we can stop butchering chances, look out

No moral victory either

 

[Simche]

There weren't though. There were no scenarios where a player arrived a full few seconds after the mark was taken and came in from the side, over the mark. There were some trailing in the contest, but none absolutely out of it like Windhager was.

So trailing in is now ‘in the contest’ that warrants a warning?

Look I agree it’s as clear a 50 as you’ll see. But for the sake of consistency an uncontested mark is an uncontested mark.

The umpires exercise discretion all the time with that rule and if I were a St Kilda supporter it would vex me that in other circumstances that are relatively similar they call players back.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

That is surprising but those stats don't really tell the whole story, you got more free kicks and fifties when and where it mattered.

Despite getting absolutely scragged all game, Neale gave away more frees than he got and gave away 1 more free than the block who was scragging him all game.
Can hardly complain.

 

[Tjblues]

It wasn't, every player is warned to move back in that case. He got done for encroaching towards the mark from the opposite side of the kicker.

No.

He came from the other side, so wasn’t in the contest which meant that he didn’t get a warning for stopping 3m over the mark

 

[zyzzbruh]

You aren’t thinking this through.

If that rule doesn’t exist, players will be coached to go over the mark EVERY TIME.

So then the umpires will have to stop the game to move them back EVERY TIME.

So the game turns into a slow, rolling flood, that is completely awful so watch.

The NBA is also awful to watch with all the rubbish free throws. Give an inch and it goes a mile the other way. If given the option of a bunch of 50m penalty goals vs a slightly more congested game. I'd pick the latter because at least it's the players creating the game and final result.

 

[chaddy22]

Rightio so let's stop the game, move the kicker 50m up the ground to give him a guaranteed goal... I'd rather see the rule abolished and the player with the ball work the remaining field length even if it's 'crimped'. At least that's football. And both teams would have to contend with it. The situation rarely happens to begin with, and it barely infringes the attacking team in comparison to the penalty it imposes on the defending team.

It's an absolute shame and ruins the spectacle. How about we allow the players to create the game rather than impose ridiculously pedantic rules.

What is so hard to understand that he ran in and wasn't anywhere near where the mark was.
He should have realised the mark was three or four metres behind were he stood and headed to it.

 

[zyzzbruh]

No.

He came from the other side, so wasn’t in the contest which meant that he didn’t get a warning for stopping 3m over the mark

Ye are you not getting it... I'm saying abolish the 'from the other side' rule... I'd rather him be afforded a warning to move back. You can't convince me the implications of that would be more significant than these constant 50m penalty goals.

 

[.Shotties.]

So trailing in is now ‘in the contest’ that warrants a warning?

Yes moving or tailing close to the marking player gets your some leeway, standing flat footed a few metres away from the mark only to shuffle a few steps to end up a few metres over the mark does not.

 

[Freomaniac]

The Lions are underachieving with the list they have. There are potential match winners on every line.

Nah they made finals each year from 2019 to 2023. I would love to have Brisbane's 2019-2023 finals run over our Chris Connolly era of 2002-07 where the only think I could look back on is a home Elim finals loss to Essendon in 2003 and those 3 finals in 2006.

Brisbane are Still a small chance to make finals in 2024.

 

[JasRulz63]

That is surprising but those stats don't really tell the whole story, you got more free kicks and fifties when and where it mattered.

3 of St Kilda's 6 first half goals were as a result of free kicks.

 

[RAPPA]

Deaths, taxes and plugger claiming either the saints got the wrong end of the umpiring or the opposition got the rub of the green

 

[18082015]

22 free kicks to the Saints, 20 to the Lions.

Fair.
But it also depends where the frees were paid.