AFL Round 6 - Collingwood vs St Kilda: Changes and pre match discussion

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Out - Sinclair, Toovey, Fasolo, Russell

In - Kennedy, Paine, Krakour, Johnson

Goldsack goes to the backline and we get a proper 3rd forwrad option

Fasolo needs a rev up dropping him might be the trick

Didak should come in but i do just not know who for
 
We play like last week we'll get destroyed.
Swan and Pendles have to be monstrous.
Fisher usually does a good job on Cloke.
But would saints handle a fwd line of cloke , lynch, paine maybe witts.
No we won't. If it werent for our terrible goalkicking we would have been 2-3 goals up at half time. We were then robbed of momentum in the third and ran out of legs on the back of a five day break. We didn't play anywhere near as badly as some are suggesting.
 

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No we won't. If it werent for our terrible goalkicking we would have been 2-3 goals up at half time. We were then robbed of momentum in the third and ran out of legs on the back of a five day break. We didn't play anywhere near as badly as some are suggesting.

I'm sick of these excuses.

We were poor all game.

Flashes of brilliance from pendles and swan makes us look better than we are.
 
I'm not going to bet on the saints but I'm not writing them off either. As long as we put in a four quarter effort we'll be fine... However we have seen that fail before twice now. Also etihad makes me nervous. Need to bring in Martin or krak for Sinclair. I like people suggesting gold sack goes back as well. I imagine jolly will come in for Hudson after a good run in the twos

I really like the idea of a team with four big men in it. I think it is something most of the better teams are doing at the moment. Either jolly, Hudson, q and trav or Paine for Hudson. This will really help us stay competitive in the ruck and the forward line. I think I prefer Paine in because q has look more dangerous up the ground than near goal. If Paine is there with Cloke then we can rely on a few more grabs.
 
If people are genuinely worried about losing to st kilda then kiss top 4 away, perhaps even top 8. They are a team on a huge rebuild and losing to them is not an option. It seems every time we lose, the faith is almost completely lost. This will be a comfortable win you would presume
 
With saad, milera and milne in there forward line they could cause us some serious trouble with there pace! I can't say I'm confident at all this week unless we actually bring a four quarter effort with pressure, intensity and hunger! Where not good enough anymore to win by playing one good half of footy!
 
My team this week, Possible best 22 to return this season in brackets.

B: Williams, Brown, Russell (Maxwell)
HB: Shaw, Reid, Goldsack
C: O'Brien, J Thomas (Beams), Clarke (Ball)
HF: Krakouer, Lynch, D Thomas
F: Elliott, Cloke, Fasolo
Foll: Jolly, Pendlebury, Swan
Inter: Sidebottom, Blair, Dwyer (Johnson), Macaffer (Didak)
 
My team this week, Possible best 22 to return this season in brackets.

B: Williams, Brown, Russell (Maxwell)
HB: Shaw, Reid, Goldsack
C: O'Brien, J Thomas (Beams), Clarke (Ball)
HF: Krakouer, Lynch, D Thomas
F: Elliott, Cloke, Fasolo
Foll: Jolly, Pendlebury, Swan
Inter: Sidebottom, Blair, Dwyer (Johnson), Macaffer (Didak)

Reckon this is probably spot on, only thing I'd contest might be Dwyer for Johnson, but I suppose with Tooves going down it would have to happen.
 
We dont need just a win, we need to win big. Our % is horrible :(

Having said that, I'd love to see Krak and Dids back. Especially if they put on a show.

Who takes Milne? Harry?
 
My team this week, Possible best 22 to return this season in brackets.

B: Williams, Brown, Russell (Maxwell)
HB: Shaw, Reid, Goldsack
C: O'Brien, J Thomas (Beams), Clarke (Ball)
HF: Krakouer, Lynch, D Thomas
F: Elliott, Cloke, Fasolo
Foll: Jolly, Pendlebury, Swan
Inter: Sidebottom, Blair, Dwyer (Johnson), Macaffer (Didak)

Yep, as Wooljay mentioned, the Dwyer/Johnson one might be an on-going discussion.
I also wonder how we can get another genuine marking target into the forward 50. Paine [though not necessarily this week] or even Keeffe / Witts eventually.
 
My team this week, Possible best 22 to return this season in brackets.

B: Williams, Brown, Russell (Maxwell)
HB: Shaw, Reid, Goldsack
C: O'Brien, J Thomas (Beams), Clarke (Ball)
HF: Krakouer, Lynch, D Thomas
F: Elliott, Cloke, Fasolo
Foll: Jolly, Pendlebury, Swan
Inter: Sidebottom, Blair, Dwyer (Johnson), Macaffer (Didak)

What about Young?
 

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I know that Jackson Paine is a pretty consistent performer in the reserves and I'm all for rewarding the form of players at that level but can someone tell me a bit more about him. I thought he may be a tad slow which might not make it the ideal solution to play him alongside Cloke and Lynch as some are hoping.
 
With saad, milera and milne in there forward line they could cause us some serious trouble with there pace! I can't say I'm confident at all this week unless we actually bring a four quarter effort with pressure, intensity and hunger! Where not good enough anymore to win by playing one good half of footy!

I actually don't think we will play all three crumbers in the same side anymore. Tried it in the earlier games and it failed horribly, personally I think we are more likely to go in with 2 talls a 1-2mediums and 2 crumbers and just rotate mids though. Do you think you guys will play three tall forwards to stretch our lack of height in defence?
 
I actually don't think we will play all three crumbers in the same side anymore. Tried it in the earlier games and it failed horribly, personally I think we are more likely to go in with 2 talls a 1-2mediums and 2 crumbers and just rotate mids though. Do you think you guys will play three tall forwards to stretch our lack of height in defence?
There's a possibility, obviously Cloke will play down there and Lynch will be forward when he's not in the ruck. There has been a suggestion of brining in Paine as well, that would make 3 tall forwards (2 when Lynch is in the ruck). Personally I hope we do play the three talls as when Cloke leads up we have nothing to kick to.
 
I actually don't think we will play all three crumbers in the same side anymore. Tried it in the earlier games and it failed horribly, personally I think we are more likely to go in with 2 talls a 1-2mediums and 2 crumbers and just rotate mids though. Do you think you guys will play three tall forwards to stretch our lack of height in defence?

I don't think we will play 3 talls although I think we should! Iv been saying from the start of the year we should be playing pain but the coaches are against it at the moment! Maybe after our bad performances in previous weeks they might be looking to make some structure changes who no's!
 
I actually don't think we will play all three crumbers in the same side anymore. Tried it in the earlier games and it failed horribly, personally I think we are more likely to go in with 2 talls a 1-2mediums and 2 crumbers and just rotate mids though. Do you think you guys will play three tall forwards to stretch our lack of height in defence?

Its hard to gauge where the Saints are at this year as you guys lost to Suns but were very competitive against the Swans. The Saints are definitely in the 'rebuild' phase and you have to accept that you will have an inconsistent year on the back of that.

For this game I am hoping to see Paine included in the side as i think we should exploit your defence. In saying that all of Dempster, Fisher, Gilbert & Geary are more than capable of holding their own. But it will be hard to match up on Cloke, Lynch, Paine, Elliot & Krakouer i think.
 
We had 16 shots to 10 in the first half...how exactly is that poor all game? It's not an excuse why we lost. It's a reason.

We had those shots but they were poor shots at goal. I'll trot out the term: Bad kicking is bad football.

Why is it that the defence gets hammered by supporters for dealing with essendon's second half onslaught but the attack gets a pat on the back for missing set shots in the first half?
 
Why is it that the defence gets hammered by supporters for dealing with essendon's second half onslaught but the attack gets a pat on the back for missing set shots in the first half?

I don't think anyone is patting the forwards on the back. It was the mids' ability to clear that got us those kicks but we should have converted.

Purely from the point of view of running power, wouldn't it make sense to have 2-3 bigger units up forward and 1 crumber stay at home so the entire bloody midfield didn't have to push quite so hard up the ground every time we get a fast break? It seems we're relying purely on running power to run forward of the ball when we get it, then relying on them to beat their man running back. It can never come off, especially over 4 quarters.
 

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