Anthony Albanese - How long? -2-

[Seeds]

I know it's the wrong thread, but are there enough materials on the planet to build enough batteries to the scale required to replace fossil fuels?

Does anyone have any evidence?

You havent heard of salt batteries? Do you know how much salt there is on the earth?

 

[Seeds]

Dutton has certainly set the cat among the pigeons. Think about it. Just like the Voice to parliament with Linda Birney front and centre, Albo will now have to front up and defend his mass immigration, and renewables only energy policy day after day after day with numbskulls like Bowen, O Neil and Giles in the spotlight. Could be a one termer.

Whats there to defend? Dutton wants to take tax payer money to build extremely expensive generation plants that have a habit of becoming a giant poisionous bomb if a tidal wave or earth quake occurs in the wrong spot.

Why would anyone think its a good idea to vote for the guy who wants to make things more expensive? And he is going to make the tax payer fund the whole thing to boot because private enterprise wont invest in soemthing that is so economically moronic.

Nuclear only works if its base load but it cant be baseload during the day because solar is too cheap.

 

[Forward Press]

Nuclear only works if its base load but it cant be baseload during the day because solar is too cheap.

There's a solution to this.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Whats there to defend? Dutton wants to take tax payer money to build extremely expensive generation plants that have a habit of becoming a giant poisionous bomb if a tidal wave or earth quake occurs in the wrong spot.

Why would anyone think its a good idea to vote for the guy who wants to make things more expensive? And he is going to make the tax payer fund the whole thing to boot because private enterprise wont invest in soemthing that is so economically moronic.

Nuclear only works if its base load but it cant be baseload during the day because solar is too cheap.

Nuclear can follow the load, though probably not quickly enough, so there would still be a need for battery.
But it would be a half hour of battery, not 12 hours.

The main reason to not have nuclear, is we won't be having ALL nuclear. We know its expensive, so you'd like to run your power plant 24/7 so you can sell electricity and pay for the thing.
If you only run it when its not sunny or windy, its going to be a lot harder to pay for it.

 

[Carringbush2010]

You havent heard of salt batteries? Do you know how much salt there is on the earth?

See nut reply.

 

[Seeds]

There is not always wind and sun, and Hydro is limited by the water supply. Hydro is great for wet countries with small populations. We don't have anything near the necessary Hydro potential.
You don't think there is such a thing as a windless night?
Its very obvious you need 1 for 1 backup.
You really think its easy to transmit electricity across states separated by 1000s of km. What do your power models say about that?

I work with data that tracks all the days of the year. You dont need anywhere near 1 for 1 backup. As i said for required battery capacity the data suggests only 5 -20 percent capacity requrement relative to power generstion capacity for a 100 percent decarbonised grid. The grid is connected across multiple states. Its always windy across multiple locations in the eastern states (wind turbines are not randomly built but are put in places where the wind rarely stops). Plus hydro works at night. Demand is much lower at night as well and we also have flexible consumers who can respond to price. Gas generators with ccs can also sit idly for 363 days a year for the couple of freak supply demand shortage events across the year as well. The cost to the system of doing so is virtually nothing.

On the demand side we also have flexible consumers (consumers whose demand responds to supply shortages through an endogenous price mechanism). These flexible consumers are going to become a much bigger part of the consumer base with new technologies enabling heavy industry to store heat for half a day, ev batteries in people cars being able to feed power back into the grid when needed and when green hydrogen starts being produced (it will only purchase power during the sunny part of the day and can even reconvert back to power at night if required using a gas generator).

 

[peetoo]

The ALP doesn't have to 'defend' renewables. It's long settled policy that for energy security and climate change purposes we should - along with the rest of the world, by the way - invest in renewables. Thought the teal movement informed us already that any move back to fossil fuels and climate change scepticism will get you thrown out of office. This isn't the US where being anti-science gets you elected.

All the ALP has to do is attack the monstrous cost and negative stigma of nuclear power. It doesn't matter whether the stigma is reasonable, of course it's safer than a coal plant - and overall better for the environment - but the well documented impacts when it goes wrong and the perception of glowing in the dark is enough to make it electoral suicide.

Good luck to Dutton if they win this based on the promise of nuclear power.

Imagine trusting a group to set up a nuclear power industry which can’t get basic details right

 

[Carn The Berries]

The ALP doesn't have to 'defend' renewables. It's long settled policy that for energy security and climate change purposes we should - along with the rest of the world, by the way - invest in renewables. Thought the teal movement informed us already that any move back to fossil fuels and climate change scepticism will get you thrown out of office. This isn't the US where being anti-science gets you elected.

All the ALP has to do is attack the monstrous cost and negative stigma of nuclear power. It doesn't matter whether the stigma is reasonable, of course it's safer than a coal plant - and overall better for the environment - but the well documented impacts when it goes wrong and the perception of glowing in the dark is enough to make it electoral suicide.

Good luck to Dutton if they win this based on the promise of nuclear power.

Precisely. Dutton has just put an enormous target on his back, which actually means the ALP don't need to talk (as much) about their own policies.

 

[Donakebab]

Dutton has certainly set the cat among the pigeons. Think about it. Just like the Voice to parliament with Linda Birney front and centre, Albo will now have to front up and defend his mass immigration, and renewables only energy policy day after day after day with numbskulls like Bowen, O Neil and Giles in the spotlight. Could be a one termer.

Meanwhile Ted 'K-Mart Scommo' O'Brien is the shadow energy minister.

 

[nut]

Here is hat the so called reliable gas does to wholesale spot price prediction…. Jeepers … rumours of a gas shortage fur domestic use???

 

[It Just Is]

To answer the thread title, we theoretically could have an election in 6 weeks.

I’d be calling it if I was Albo. Label it the fix to ensuring private investment in renewables continues, blame Dutton for trying to wreck the economy and minimise the number of RBA meetings before the election.

 

[The Punter]

With redistributions in draft form in NSW, VIC and WA, there is no way Albo goes before these are confirmed. The arrangements for going to an election with a redistribution underway are clunky at best.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

To answer the thread title, we theoretically could have an election in 6 weeks.

I’d be calling it if I was Albo. Label it the fix to ensuring private investment in renewables continues, blame Dutton for trying to wreck the economy and minimise the number of RBA meetings before the election.

Why minimise the amount of RBA meetings before the election? Shouldn't they meet as often as they need to for the good of the economy?

 

[Carn The Berries]

Why minimise the amount of RBA meetings before the election? Shouldn't they meet as often as they need to for the good of the economy?

Pretty sure the poster wasn't advocating government interference in the RBA's meeting calendar

 

[phantom13]

Why minimise the amount of RBA meetings before the election? Shouldn't they meet as often as they need to for the good of the economy?

It genuinely seems like all the RBA do is go "well inflation hasnt dropped, looks like we pump those rates up again".

13 rate rises over 2 or 3 years and its done **** all to inflation, for genius economists it doesnt seem like they know much more than your average punter about it and how to fix it.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Pretty sure the poster wasn't advocating government interference in the RBA's meeting calendar

What was he inferring then by suggesting Albo should call the election and "minimise the number of RBA meetings"?

 

[The Punter]

Why minimise the amount of RBA meetings before the election? Shouldn't they meet as often as they need to for the good of the economy?

Raising interest rates is clearly a political problem for the government. That's why.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Raising interest rates is clearly a political problem for the government. That's why.

But shouldn't it be about what is best for the people...not Albo?

So how do you suggest he would minimize the number of RBA meetings then?

 

[Carn The Berries]

What was he inferring then by suggesting Albo should call the election and "minimise the number of RBA meetings"?

That if the election is held earlier there will be less RBA meetings in the period before the election, not actually manipulating the number of meetings held.

 

[Carn The Berries]

But shouldn't it be about what is best for the people...not Albo?

So how do you suggest he would minimize the number of RBA meetings then?

You really have completely missed what was being said here...

 

[Gralin]

But shouldn't it be about what is best for the people...not Albo?

So how do you suggest he would minimize the number of RBA meetings then?

Morrison put pressure on the RBA to not start raising rates prior to the last election to which they acquiesced

Why are you talking about something that wouldn't even be an issue if the election was in six weeks time

the RBA just met and aren't due to meet again until the 6th of August

 

[The Punter]

But shouldn't it be about what is best for the people...not Albo?

So how do you suggest he would minimize the number of RBA meetings then?

I think it has been explained by others. He can't get RBA Board meetings cancelled, but he can manipulate election timing so as few meetings take place before polling day as possible.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I work with data that tracks all the days of the year. You dont need anywhere near 1 for 1 backup. As i said for required battery capacity the data suggests only 5 -20 percent capacity requrement relative to power generstion capacity for a 100 percent decarbonised grid. The grid is connected across multiple states. Its always windy across multiple locations in the eastern states (wind turbines are not randomly built but are put in places where the wind rarely stops). Plus hydro works at night. Demand is much lower at night as well and we also have flexible consumers who can respond to price. Gas generators with ccs can also sit idly for 363 days a year for the couple of freak supply demand shortage events across the year as well. The cost to the system of doing so is virtually nothing.

On the demand side we also have flexible consumers (consumers whose demand responds to supply shortages through an endogenous price mechanism). These flexible consumers are going to become a much bigger part of the consumer base with new technologies enabling heavy industry to store heat for half a day, ev batteries in people cars being able to feed power back into the grid when needed and when green hydrogen starts being produced (it will only purchase power during the sunny part of the day and can even reconvert back to power at night if required using a gas generator).

Very little wind and Solar in Europe right now.

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UK, France, Spain all leaning on their nuclear.
Dirty old Germany burning coal.

Green California still running a good amount of gas and nuclear.

 

[Kram]

It genuinely seems like all the RBA do is go "well inflation hasnt dropped, looks like we pump those rates up again".

13 rate rises over 2 or 3 years and its done **** all to inflation, for genius economists it doesnt seem like they know much more than your average punter about it and how to fix it.

Because it has been from a very low base and it's a blunt tool with quite a long lag time..

 

[phantom13]

Because it has been from a very low base and it's a blunt tool with quite a long lag time..

Just keep flogging it to death then.

RBA much like that prick at the crosswalk smashing the pedestrian button over and over.