Sam Elliot is medium fast but he's the leading wicket taker in both Shield and One Dayers
Australia v India - post 2nd Test discussion, we're all doomed? Maybe not.
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I mean, Indias bats also struggled on day 1
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O’Neill going well too
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Sure, but half of our dismissals were from balls flat out could have left. It's poor batting technique. Yes they bowled well but worldwide it's abysmal batting everywhere. Batsmen have to get it through their rather thick head, a leave is the best shot in cricket if it's not on the stumps leave it when you only have to get through the night before it gets easier. Instead we have every bloke wanting to play at every ball. How many of those wickets were actually from unplayable balls, Head yes, who else?
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I feel like you are oversimplifying the situation a bit.
Also, as an aside, and this isn’t a big enough data set I will admit.
Australia 2002 - 11 matches, 1570 overs faced, 6279 runs
Australia 2022 - 11 matches, 1663 overs faced, 6033 runs
In 20 years the batting doesn’t seem to have changed a great deal.
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I probably worded it poorly.. I Have nothing against Siddle, but I'm not sure its great for Australian cricket to have a 40 year old open the bowling for one of our 6 state sides
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I suppose, if he’s good enough, would it not be good for our up and coming bats to be facing a quality fast bowler like Siddle?
i'm inclined to agree with you as it's depriving a youngster coming through the ranks. However I assume once our captain Will Sutherland returns from injury Siddle will be the one who makes way
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maybe but really not the point..id rather see his spot taken by someone who may have a test future..The youth focus in Aust cricket should be at shield level
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I’d say it should be a mix, with the best available having a fair say in it.
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You can’t tell a guy who loves cricket and still has the capability to play at a decent level ‘you can’t play.’
However, there are countless franchise leagues across the globe that cater to that.
There is a first class competition that pays good money in England featuring nearly 20 teams that does that.
Hell, some of the Asian domestic competitions would probably pay to have someone of his experience play a stint with some of their young players for a while.
In a 6 team domestic first class comp of 10 games each, it seems like an incredible waste of a spot for a guy who is not even going to be a chance of pinch hitting for a series and borderline selfish as much as I know he just loves playing the game.
Like for a 35-36 year old I see the value in that, the mentor side plus if they’re actually having a genuine career renaissance there is always the chance they could fill a gap in a test side for 18 months.
However, there are countless franchise leagues across the globe that cater to that.
There is a first class competition that pays good money in England featuring nearly 20 teams that does that.
Hell, some of the Asian domestic competitions would probably pay to have someone of his experience play a stint with some of their young players for a while.
In a 6 team domestic first class comp of 10 games each, it seems like an incredible waste of a spot for a guy who is not even going to be a chance of pinch hitting for a series and borderline selfish as much as I know he just loves playing the game.
Like for a 35-36 year old I see the value in that, the mentor side plus if they’re actually having a genuine career renaissance there is always the chance they could fill a gap in a test side for 18 months.
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That’s the point that you often miss and why you cop flak from time to time for oversimplifying what can be a very complex game.
You talk about, for example, Marnus as though all he has to go out there and do is just ‘fix his problem’ like it’s a matter of just deciding to bat better.
You’ve got a guy at the other end who could, in all likelihood, finish his career in an all time test XI for one primary reason: because people have no idea which way the ball is going. The same delivery, with the same action, the same wrist position, with no discoverable tell, lands in the same spot. One ball shapes away and draws him into a shot that he doesn’t want to play but he has to because it starts off threatening the stumps. He gets beaten so he starts to think ‘well I shouldn’t be playing at those because they’re not going to hit the stumps. All I can do is at best block them for 0 runs, at worst nick them and get out. So I’ll leave them.’
The same ball has him leaving next time he faces it. Only this one comes in and has him trapped on the pad.
All of this happens at 140km hour and the ball is rarely if ever going above stump height.
Do you not see how this causes batsmen to make mistakes????
Very, very few deliveries across the course of a series are unplayable.
It’s the dozen deliveries before them that often bring about the dismissal.
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I agree mostly Phat, but having someone with Siddles experience playing when Boland is unavailable is fine with me, if it means he can mentor some younger bowlers, which is what Victoria have done for the most part.
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Would Australia’s best u25 XI beat the o30 XI?
I would suggest not.
Dropping good performers over 30 (or wherever you want to draw the line) for younger players only lowers the quality.
I would suggest not.
Dropping good performers over 30 (or wherever you want to draw the line) for younger players only lowers the quality.
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We (Australian supporters) are certainly not accustomed to losing the 1st test of a home series..It's gone down like a lead ballon..Hopefully a massive turn around for the next test
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siddle is in neither category...and imo there is a big difference between having over 35's in your test team and having mass over 35's in your shield teams
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I truly can't believe we are actually going to consider going in to Adelaide with Marnus being our legit 4th seam option if it is true Marsh can't bowl...
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We’ll know more in a few hours, they’re in the nets tonight
Hang on what?
Surely this can't be true
What happened by the way to Steve's Smith's selfless decision to open?
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McSweeney?
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Don’t hate that idea
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