Autopsy Autopsy vs Western Bulldogs - Rd 3, 2021

[King Corey]

Sorry James.

Carlton getting belted, JB “everyone just wants to see this great club back where it belongs”.

North getting belted, no dialogue - JB too busy belting himself about how great the opponent is.

 

[Its a Process]

100%. But there is a difference between a young list and a talented young list.

We have drafted & recruited a lot of very average players and at present we are simply not up to AFL standard.

This “rebuild” will take a lot longer than everyone here thinks.

Also I’d now expect Cunners and possibly Taz to hang up the boots at the end of this year which will leave us in an even bigger hole.

Unfortunately this is correct. We have a real stench of Carlton from about 5 years ago who topped up on average players to try and supplement a large age gape in their list. Guys like Whiley, Jachs, Lamb, Wright, Phillips, Mullett, etc etc etc. Have a look at who Sydney have aged between 24 - 30, guys like Heeney, Mills, Lloyd, Dawson, Reid, Papley Hewitt. All very good players.

Carlton had a couple of very dark seasons in which their 24-28 year olds who are meant to be the most productive players were just honest battlers and I fear we are in the same boat and it's going to be very challenging viewing for another couple of years.

 

[DuckYeah]

Unfortunately this is correct. We have a real stench of Carlton from about 5 years ago who topped up on average players to try and supplement a large age gape in their list. Guys like Whiley, Jachs, Lamb, Wright, Phillips, Mullett, etc etc etc. Have a look at who Sydney have aged between 24 - 30, guys like Heeney, Mills, Lloyd, Dawson, Reid, Papley Hewitt. All very good players.

Carlton had a couple of very dark seasons in which their 24-28 year olds who are meant to be the most productive players were just honest battlers and I fear we are in the same boat and it's going to be very challenging viewing for another couple of years.

Plausible.

 

[pupstar]

How is that a great article? Brad bottled his chance to rebuild first time around then acts like some sort of football whisperer 3 years later as if he suddenly had his Isaac Newton apple moment.

There's a lot of unfair revisionism around Brad lately but fu** him and the Brand Brad Scott PR horse this article rode in on.

Fun fact - you can't spell Brand without Brad.

Just wondering eveyones opinion as to when we should have started the rebuild.What year-season and how would we you would have gone about it

 

[Merlin007]

Carlton getting belted, JB “everyone just wants to see this great club back where it belongs”.

North getting belted, no dialogue - JB too busy belting himself about how great the opponent is.

Ease up KC - no one can say JB didn't give good (invaluable) service to the North Melbourne Football Club. As a commentator, I imagine he's sensitive to criticism that he's soft on the club he supports

 

[leighlee13]

another little flame ... Charlie skipping away again from the opposition wasn't bad either

Charlie is my new favorite. Love what he is bringing so far.

 

[The Northerner]

What time does the game start? (for us)

R00StaR - This absolutely made my day

 

[leighlee13]

And JB talking crap in the commentary completely missed Powell's handball. Literally did not call it.

I honestly can't stand listening to JB commentate our games. Luke Darcy was more positive than JB was. By trying to be unbiased, he goes too far the other way.

 

[Groucho]

Like Jordan Peterson says in his 12 Rules For Life, "Pat a cat'. He means seek enjoyment in life.

I hate cats yet I always seem to have one. I’ll try and pat it but it’s a real bastard

 

[The Northerner]

A lot of doom and gloom on here and some of it is warranted.....BUT.....the key thing I think we can take away from that game, and I would really like the boys to watch the replay on this...was how hungry and desperate the Dogs looked even while they where 70-80-90 points up. They could smell blood and weren't going to let up. This should be the blueprint for our kids moving forward. One thing in the Laidley-Scott era that always shitted me was we very rarely put sides away.

Young teams get belted. That's been happening since the dawn of time and this year we will cop our fair whack more often than not. If we're competitive we can do what we have done for years and paint over the cracks and try and fill gaps and finish in the 12th to 6th bracket again.....OR.....we can rebuild the side from the ground up and find out over the remaining 19 games who really wants to don the jumper and play for our beloved club.

We will always have knockers and to be honest its like water of a ducks back now. Play the kids, cop the losses and lets see what we're made of.

Remember Brisbane and Fitzroy in the early 90's? Marcus Ashcroft

Marcus Ashcroft

Age

53

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.4

5star

K

11.1

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HB

7.3

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M

3.6

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T

1.9

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D

8.6

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K

5.6

3star

HB

3.0

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M

2.0

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1.6

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and Chris Johnson

Chris Johnson

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48

Ht

180cm

Wt

88kg

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Last 5

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13.7

4star

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8.6

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5.1

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4.0

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2.0

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D

9.0

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K

7.0

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HB

2.0

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M

3.2

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T

1.4

4star

played in 3 wooden spoons each before playing in 3 flags and even as recently as a couple of weeks back I remember Chris Fagan saying that they always learn more from their losses than they do from their wins.

So lets tough it out, as a club and as supporters. Instead of shitting on blokes who didn't have a great game and blaming the previous coaches and throwing barbs from behind our keyboards lets get behind the boys. Show faith and for God's sake please don't come to this forum and complain about the state of the club unless you are a paid up member.

 

[archereleven]

JB and Duck shouldn't commentate any NM games imo



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[The acurate one]

Ease up KC - no one can say JB didn't give good (invaluable) service to the North Melbourne Football Club. As a commentator, I imagine he's sensitive to criticism that he's soft on the club he supports

Yes he was there when we needed someone, but by crikey he was out of his depth. Is one of the reasons we're here today of course and I thank him for that.

Also is part of the reason we're currently 'paying the piper'.

 

[Rob in Cologne]

Near best available team will definitely win some games in 2nd half ... hopefully not too many

FB: Hayden - Taz - McKay
HB: LMac - Corr - Ziebell
C: Polac - Cunners - Dumont
HF: Powell - Xerri - Taylor
FF: Zurharr - Larkey - Stephenson
Rk: Goldy - Simpkin - Jed
Int: LDU - Phillips - Thomas - Scott
Sub: Lazarro

Emergencies Atley, Mahony, Turner, Young, Walker

 

[DuckYeah]

Near best available team will definitely win some games in 2nd half ... hopefully not too many

FB: Hayden - Taz - McKay
HB: LMac - Corr - Ziebell
C: Polac - Cunners - Dumont
HF: Powell - Xerri - Taylor
FF: Zurharr - Larkey - Stephenson
Rk: Goldy - Simpkin - Jed
Int: LDU - Phillips - Thomas - Scott
Sub: Lazarro

Emergencies Atley, Mahony, Turner, Young, Walker

Hayden cant kick. He almost kicked it into a stationary man on the mark.

 

[Val Keating]

PATHETIC

 

[Royal Flush]

Funny how people can listen to the same commentary and have different opinions.
I think duck offers so much, and i enjoy him commentating our games.
JB not so.

JB and Duck shouldn't commentate any NM games imo



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[King Corey]

Ease up KC - no one can say JB didn't give good (invaluable) service to the North Melbourne Football Club. As a commentator, I imagine he's sensitive to criticism that he's soft on the club he supports

Well that would explain the last 10 years of distancing himself to the point of barracking against us in his commentary.

Maybe he can get a Carlton tattoo to really throw the scent.

 

[leighlee13]

JB and Duck shouldn't commentate any NM games imo



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Unless we are winning. Then watch them both do a complete 360!

 

[big_e]

It was my understanding that he went with the top up option and then when that didn't work he went back to the board and wanted to go the rebuild route.

It reeks of trying to put lipstick on a pig at what was a largely failed tenure.


Fun fact - as North Melbourne coach Brad Scott holds the record for the most comprehensive losses against more sides than any other coach in history.

I have no problem with chasing Martin and Kelly, but when that failed, we had no Plan B. Typical Brad Scott....

Just going down the line of free agents until you get one to sign didn't really make sense, and in hindsight it's even worse. Not potting any of them individually, as they've all had some moments, but as a strategy it has left us two years behind where we could/should have been.

 

[Skiddies]

Haha where’s snake ?

 

[Passmore]

Well that would explain the last 10 years of distancing himself to the point of barracking against us in his commentary.

Maybe he can get a Carlton tattoo to really throw the scent.

JB has been taking tips from Josh Kelly in how to show you love the club by continually distancing yourself from them.

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[DrZaius]

Lol look here son.
Sydneys senior players all playing. Kennedy, Buddy, Parker, Rampe, Heeney etc.. they are all on the park. Also Richmond d

Essendon are sh*t, St Kilda just let em waltz all over them however, that shouldnt have happened.

For us to be competitive, our back 6 need to be all playing. No corr, mcdonald, tarrant, bonar. Our midfield hasnt had a food run at it either, anderson again injured, cunners is underdone, polec is injured and dumont again out.

these folk need to be on the park together. Then we will see much more competitive output.

the high performance team and fitness staff need a kick up the arse

Don't bother, SBG is obsessed with shitting on us for the age/experience of the team playing any given week, while completely ignoring any other variables. The fact that we were only 1 month older on average than the * and Sydney teams yesterday is conveniently ignored because he just points to a number and goes SEE 24.3 IS A SMALLER NUMBER THAN 24.4!!

(FUN FACT: even though Sydney were younger by a month on average, the team they put out was actually more experienced on average)

I think the running is there, it popped up a few times, just when the passes are chopped off, the wave of runners heads back the other way. I watched a bit of the replay yesterday and JB mentioned that the dogs are the best at creating, and thus scoring from turnovers. There 1st 4 were directly from turnovers. Fwiw I only watched the 1st quarter of the replay

The dogs scored over 100 points from turnovers.

 

[ferball]

When the opposition is running 5% further than you are then it's pretty clear we're not fit enough.

And when you're not fit enough how do you implement a game plan effectively?

We need to get these kids fit and set standards.

It takes years to get properly AFL fit and we had 6 players from the last 3 drafts, many of them had interruptions in the last two seasons or this pre season as well. So that isn't really a surprise.

 

[ferball]

Pretty ordinary cliche riddled statement from Buckley - not sure why he bothered if that's all he was going to say.

However after 3 games we have had the CEO pleading we turn up to Good Friday now the Chair issuing a statement about staying the course.

This is going to be some long year.

You've been calling for this for years.

 

[ferball]

No chairman's statement would ever do anything to counter the negatives of a performance like that, but Buckley's letter is particularly ill-conceived on this occasion. It's one thing when supporters resign themselves to poor showings, or adopt a "wait and it will come" mentality in relation to our present predicament - but for the man at the head of the board to be dealing in such passive and fatalistic nonsense as "footy goes in cycles and it can and will turn", like we have no control over our fortunes and bad results just happen to us, is... well, unhelpful, to say the least. Together with the bulk of the message being that, um, nothing is going to change ("we remain steadfast", "we will not deviate", "we will continue to reinforce...", "we must remain calm", etc.), and it all adds up to a pretty poor attempt at damage control.

That isn't what he said.

If anything its the opposite.