Bluemour Discussion Thread XII - Facts Not Welcome (cont in pt 13)

[smashbox gill]

If we give them 1 who will they draft? What number draft pick will we have at the end of all trades? Any possibility we can still get Walsh by giving away 1?

Not a chance. We take that deal and no more walsh. It’s a good deal tho!

 

[Jeremias]

Ok you’re close and I have clearance to go public.
I messaged Shandog last week (He can confirm) GWS has offered us Scully setterfield Shiel for our pick 1.
This happened early last week and I don’t have knowledge of our response.

If this is true, we’d be absolutely nuts to reject it.

 

[bigdog43]

Ok you’re close and I have clearance to go public.
I messaged Shandog last week (He can confirm) GWS has offered us Scully setterfield Shiel for our pick 1.
This happened early last week and I don’t have knowledge of our response.

This intrigues me but I wouldn't do it. I think Shiel and Setterfield are gettable without giving up pick 1 and I'd prefer Walsh to Scully.

 

[gardiner stand]

If we give up Sam Walsh for Shiel,
a player coming off a major ankle injury and a young player that did a non contact ACL, then we are nuts.
Do yourself a favor and listen to Andy Maher's interview with Sam.
Now, I'm ok with Giving up next years future first.
This is not a person but a speculative number

I don’t think I’d go for that short fix.
This is old news ,as I said I told shandog about this exact same deal last week,lots has changed because Essendon have come hard for setterfield.

 

[bluefan]

Try 2019 first rounder, one of our state league players and one of our second rounders.

We will need a state league player and a second rounder for McGovern so there is nothing left in the cupboard except #1 this year.

I don't think that is enough for that package of players unless GWS are determined not to trade them to another contender.

#1 might be on offer with this packaging.

Would anyone do #1 and a State League priority pick for Shiel, Setterfield, Scully and #14?

On the face of it I probably would as much as we are set on Walsh.

#14 to the Crows. Use #24 and #25 In the draft or for other trades and keep the other state league priority player.

Definitely do pick 1 & state league for the three and pick 14. Walsh is still unproven

 

[Blue_4_Life]

As all the Maltese BF Blues chuckle..

Brilliant!

 

[skadoosh]

Walsh will be gone.

Sad...sell me on why a deal involving this year's 1st will be worth giving up Walsh.

 

[Bostonian]

If we give up Sam Walsh for Shiel,
a player coming off a major ankle injury and a young player that did a non contact ACL, then we are nuts.
Do yourself a favor and listen to Andy Maher's interview with Sam.
Now, I'm ok with Giving up next years future first.
This is not a person but a speculative number

Likewise.

We won't finish last next season, so giving up next seasons first rounder is more palatable.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Pick #1 this year is very good, but surely won’t be enough to land 3 players, would it?

2019 1st and 25 this year for Shiel and Setterfield.

24 and state player for the Gov

These players are contracted and I think GWS are wanting our #1. If we can get away with what you propose, I'm all for it. It's a real tightrope though.

 

[Bronze]

If we give them 1 who will they draft? What number draft pick will we have at the end of all trades? Any possibility we can still get Walsh by giving away 1?

No chance. He is the standout player according to the U18 experts.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

So say we get Shiel and Setterfield. What are we realistically looking at for a trade? Are we all confident they will accept next years first and This years pick 24 or are we dreaming?

Why would we be dreaming? If they lose Shiel to fa next year there's no way they're getting a pick higher than our 2019 first.

Setterfield for #25 is the one where we will struggle imo.

McGovern for #24 probably won't get it done either.

No wonder we're trying to offload Casboult. Doubt we'll get anything higher than a 4th rounder for him though.

We're going to struggle to get these deals done. Our best hope is that GWS accept 2019 1st + #25 for Shiel + Setterfield and #24 + McAdam get the deal done for McGovern.

#1 must be off the table unless they offer Kelly, which won't happen.

FWIW, I still think it's a bad move for Shiel to leave this year. Hawks aren't winning the flag. Neither are we. GWS have a much better shot. Why leave this year and weaken the club you're going to by forcing them to trade a high end pick? Is this just to help GWS get a better draft pick? They're pretenders big time if they're thinking about draft picks instead of retaining their best players to try and win a flag while they can. It's as if they're trying to rebuild while contending for the flag at the same time. Ridiculous tactics by them imo.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Ok you’re close and I have clearance to go public.
I messaged Shandog last week (He can confirm) GWS has offered us Scully setterfield Shiel for our pick 1.
This happened early last week and I don’t have knowledge of our response.

Well, in that case we definitely need to get Scrimshaw....midfield of Sheil, Setterfield, Scully, Scrimshaw and Scripps...pretty handy

Together with the forward line of McGovern, McKay, McAdam, McCurnow and McFasolo...

Just amusing myself

 

[gardiner stand]

If this is true, we’d be absolutely nuts to reject it.

Personally I don’t feel right about it because it smells of quick fix. I’d take Shiel and setterfield but not for pick 1. Next years first no problem and take 1 to the draft.
The cap space is not a problem going fwd because the first 2 years will be heavily front loaded.

 

[ParapMarkets]

Ok you’re close and I have clearance to go public.
I messaged Shandog last week (He can confirm) GWS has offered us Scully setterfield Shiel for our pick 1.
This happened early last week and I don’t have knowledge of our response.

Wow. Shiel and Scully instantly transforms our midfield! Add in Setterfield as the long game upside talent.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

The jigsaw is coming together, expecting confirmation tomorrow.

Does that jigsaw include Gaff?

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Where is the association of Walls to the powerbrokers at the club coming from. He wasn't a fan of them when he coached the club.

Exactly, I’m miffed with this as well.

Spoken out in his media roles in relation to power brokers also.

Sometimes I think supporters perpetuate this powerbroker myth too much because they can’t get out of living in the past.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Wow. Shiel and Scully instantly transforms our midfield! Add in Setterfield as the long game upside talent.

Shiel + Scully + Setterfield + Kennedy lol

 

[kjr8]

This intrigues me but I wouldn't do it. I think Shiel and Setterfield are gettable without giving up pick 1 and I'd prefer Walsh to Scully.

Perhaps hawks can F off and give their #14 pick for Scully instead..

Our 2019 1st and a 2nd for Shiel and Setterfield.

Everyone, except bummers, wins...


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[I bleed Blue]

Ok you’re close and I have clearance to go public.
I messaged Shandog last week (He can confirm) GWS has offered us Scully setterfield Shiel for our pick 1.
This happened early last week and I don’t have knowledge of our response.

Wowza.

That would have to be seriously considered.

Would prefer to trade next years first and leave Scully out. But if it's make or break we pull the trigger.

Preference 1- 2019 first, pick 25 for Shiel and Settlefield. Take Walsh in the draft.
Prefernce 2 - pick 1 for Shiel, Settlefield and Scully.

 

[Jeremias]

Personally I don’t feel right about it because it smells of quick fix. I’d take Shiel and setterfield but not for pick 1. Next years first no problem and take 1 to the draft.
The cap space is not a problem going fwd because the first 2 years will be heavily front loaded.

Sorry mate, couldn’t disagree with you more.

This would go down as one of the best trades of all time if it went through.

We’d all love to see pick 1 in navy blue but this would be an offer surely too good to refuse.

I can’t believe it would be offered, let alone rejected.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Hey c'mon. Let's give him a bit of respect.

The guy may have played his last game in the Navy Blue. But he has his name on a locker. He has given his all. Pretty much every time he played.

Yes, he's has limitations, but I reckon he has gotten the best out of himself. Though often that may not have been enough.

I don't mind taking the micky out of players. But let's pick better targets. Have a go at the guys just phoning it in. Or being idjots. Rhys Palmer, Menzel... No problem, but not guys who have busted a gut (or rib) playing for us in our darkest days.

Good luck Levi. Go well.

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100% this.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Wowza.

That would have to be seriously considered.

Would prefer to trade next years first and leave Scully out. But if it's make or break we pull the trigger.

Preference 1- 2019 first, pick 25 for Shiel and Settlefield. Take Walsh in the draft.
Prefernce 2 - pick 1 for Shiel, Settlefield and Scully.

Preference 3 - 2019 first, pick 25 and state league priority pick for Shiel, Scully and Settlefield.

 

[ParapMarkets]

They asked for pick 1 early days for Shiel and we said no. That’s what you’re thinking of.

It may have been someone else. Someone definitely said that we had a big offer in front of us for pick 1 and we rejected it.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Sad...sell me on why a deal involving this year's 1st will be worth giving up Walsh.

For arguments sake I can try.

Shiel is probably worth #5 alone. Setterfield worth #15, Scully #15. That is considering injury and contract status. Potential wise, Setterfield could be top 5.

2 experienced players make our midfield strong and make us an attractive proposition for more players next season.

Walsh's ceiling is still unknown, he isn't particularly quick and may have been hyped on here by our need for mids. He hasn't been spoken of as a generational player like Lukosius or Rankine for example. He is a safe bet midfielder with a natural feel for the game, slightly lighter than other mids of his quality taken in previous years.

Scully and Shiel add pace and explosive gap running and link up play. Scully will run all day. You get 3 players for the price of one, with maybe 5, 7 and 12 years left in the game.

Cripps will love the support, Dow won't be getting close attention for a while so can develop his craft more easily and the rest of the young players will get to experience more wins and grow in confidence.

Simmo and Cripps have both said they would love to get some quality experienced help in the midfield next year.

How did I do?

 

[davis_756]

Ok you’re close and I have clearance to go public.
I messaged Shandog last week (He can confirm) GWS has offered us Scully setterfield Shiel for our pick 1.
This happened early last week and I don’t have knowledge of our response.

Could it end up being 1 + 24 + Future 2nd/McAdam for Shiel, Setterfield, Scully + Pick 12 + 44

12 + 25 to Adelaide for MM + 19?

In: Shiel, Scully, Setterfield, McGovern

Head to the draft with 19, 44, 65, 73

Sounds crazy enough to be a SOS trade now