Discussion BRENDON Goddard and Free Agency (Thread Closed)

[hayes]

Can someone fill me in on Stringer? Isn't he a 191cm forward? We've got a few of those already so he must be pretty good if people want him.

 

[CHBench]

Runs through the midfield too and play both inside and outside, has been likened to Pav in that sense.
Kevin Sheahan wrote that he can also play defence.

If all goes to plan, Stringer would be an ideal BJ replacement.. But who knows how much speed and athleticism he lost due to that leg break (just google image his name if you're curious)

 

[saintsrfreak]

#12 St Kilda - Jake Stringer (VIC - Util)
Height: 191cm, Weight: 91kg, DOB: 25/04/1994
Recruited from: Bendigo Pioneers
Style: Luke Hodge
Player comparison:
Range: 5-25
Profile: Stringer is probably the best talent in the draft and had it not been for a broken leg this season I would probably have him at no.1. Comes from a basketball background. Hard worker. Hasn’t really dominated games this year the way he has in the past and after his sickening broken leg of last year it’s just great to see him playing footy again. Stringer’s conditioning isn’t nearly where it was pre-injury and doesn’t seem to have his trademark explosiveness and leaping ability back yet and the endurance is nowhere near where it was but what’s encouraging is that he is still attacking the ball as hard as ever and working as hard as he can to impose himself on games. The feature I’ve always loved in Stringer’s game is his ability to play anywhere and just change the game with his attack on the ball and sheer will. With Stringer the versatility is a great asset and when he gets his fitness back he will be able to play through the midfield, forward or back to a high level. Wins the hard ball consistently and is a very good inside player to go along with his outside running ability which we have seen in the past. Ball use good by both hand and foot. Very strong mark overhead and can hit the scoreboard hard when shifted forward and with his limited fitness this year has mostly had to play up forward. Stringer has star potential but needs to get his athleticism and conditioning back first before we see him back at his best which will take some time. Has great leadership potential and looks likely to be a guy who leads from the front at AFL level.

5. Western Bulldogs - Jake Stringer (191cm forward - Bendigo)

I think everyone likes Stringer and hopes he does well this year. Coming off the injuy he had, it's a credit to him that he is even back playing this year. The kid was not only playing but starring in the TAC Cup as a 16 year old. His first three games in the TAC Cup this year were quite remarkable - 10.6 from 23 disposals, 4.6 from 20 disposals and 0.3 from 31 disposals. He still isn't back to his best and has been managed through some of his more recent games, which seems the smart move. He is just so strong, both in marking contests and when the ball is on the ground. His game against the Knights was Pavlich-esque. And his first few years in the AFL will probably be like that - strong marking forward, who pushes up into the midfield at times. If he does get back to 100% fitness, then I think he'll be every bit as good as Dustin Martin in the midfield. Did I mention that I'm a fan? AFL Comparison: Matthew Pavlich.

 

[sauce_head]

Goddard would have great fun at essendon. They have no accountability and just run. He would be more like a quarterback than at any other club (assuming mick makes the blues accountable).

Unfortunately that sort of footy dont win finals, as north found out (or allow you to qualify for them as Carlton and essendon fouf out).

 

[saintsrfreak]

I think Essendon would look to play him more as a midfielder, an area where they have few stars

 

[Sunshine Saint]

BJ update, 4 years $950K, 'unofficial offer'......from Essendon.
So who/what do we do with picks 12 and 13? Package them for a top 5-8 pick? Would love to get Menzel junior or Caddy. We need to load up in every position, although Menzel may be a risk as word is he has re-injured his LARS surgery knee.

Brian not a huge fan of all eggs in the one basket. Would prefer to take the best two with those picks, or three if we can take Caddy and Hickey with pick 12.

We all know of top picks that have not worked out, so spreading the risk across several very very good young choices is the way to go.

We may find that next year or year after, we trade to upgrade to draft or secure draft choices for a key position player that we need to fill in the list.

 

[Sunshine Saint]

I can if they made a verbal agreement or promise and then reneged on it. There have been times in my business when I have made an agreement with someone, but then wished I hadn't, as a better offer had since come through, but I would stick with the agreement I had made, even if I could do better by going back on my word, because without your word you are nothing.

Aussie well done a man of your word. A fantastic attribute and appreciated by your staff, customers and suppliers.

The offer to BJ is should have been honoured if it is an open ended offer, BUT as I have said before, if the offer was for lets say two weeks and BJ opted to see, what he could get at the end of the year, well that is bad advice from his manager and / or a bad decision from him.

Saints in the light of the refusal of the offer have then made offers and reached settlements with a number of other St Kilda players.

 

[SAINTKILDA]

Isnt the compensation pick for losing a player in the next draft (2013)?? if so there will be nothing this year for BJ if we lose him

 

[saintsrfreak]

Isnt the compensation pick for losing a player in the next draft (2013)?? if so there will be nothing this year for BJ if we lose him

Nope, it's for this draft and this draft only with FA

 

[Sunshine Saint]

Isnt the compensation pick for losing a player in the next draft (2013)?? if so there will be nothing this year for BJ if we lose him

I think the compensation picks for free agency are to be used this year and can't be carried over.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I think the compensation picks for free agency are to be used this year and can't be carried over.

And if you in tern take a FA player you get your compo pick downgraded or taken away.
So if you have a player poached , you then can't get the player you planned on poaching without losing your compo pick. But if you dont have a player poached you can get player without losing anything.
It then begs the question whether another club can poach a player then on-trade him.

 

[Sunshine Saint]

And if you in tern take a FA player you get your compo pick downgraded or taken away.
So if you have a player poached , you then can't get the player you planned on poaching without losing your compo pick. But if you dont have a player poached you can get player without losing anything.
It then begs the question whether another club can poach a player then on-trade him.

You would imagine that this would be possible. You can trade or swap for draft picks and then trade these on, so can't see why you couldn't do the same with a Free Agency player that you secured.

 

[Half Back Pocket]

[quote="aussierulesrules, post:
Something like that would be a pretty good result for us I reckon. We could get two rippers at 12/13.[/ GC make
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10 quality mids in there... All of them have huge upside for us. Question is do we take best mid and best KP available...Plowman if he's there? Shaw? Jakach?...what if Grundy slides?

 

[BrianSpeaking]

[quote="aussierulesrules, post:
Something like that would be a pretty good result for us I reckon. We could get two rippers at 12/13.[/ GC make
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10 quality mids in there... All of them have huge upside for us. Question is do we take best mid and best KP available...Plowman if he's there? Shaw? Jakach?...what if Grundy slides?[/quote]

I like the idea of a ceiling on all player payments, it will allow us to build a nice deep list.

We need more mids and kpp, in fact we need everything! IMO there are 8 top quality players in this draft, guys you would bank on, so we are just outside where we need to be, hence packaging the potential 2 picks to move up in the draft NBA style works.

 

[saintsrfreak]

I like the idea of a ceiling on all player payments, it will allow us to build a nice deep list.

We need more mids and kpp, in fact we need everything! IMO there are 8 top quality players in this draft, guys you would bank on, so we are just outside where we need to be, hence packaging the potential 2 picks to move up in the draft NBA style works.

Which players do you think would be worth doing that for?

 

[BrianSpeaking]

Which players do you think would be worth doing that for?

Would love Jimmy Toumpas, but we won't get him, so any of Grundy, Plowman, Stringer or Menzel. Having said that, i would trade both picks for Josh Kelly in the mini draft or one of them for Brad Couch's younger brother Matt.

 

[sauce_head]

Should have tanked.

 

[Saint4Life]

$950 over 4 years for Goddard?
Yea right, give us the picks then. We need a team of players, not a one man team.

Sounds to me like he's already been long gone.... if its true, I hope he sends that $1 back to the supporter/kid who gave it to him, and then tell Lenny face to face that he's leaving for more cash, not for the club/supporters or his teammates.... if that is the case.

To be honest, the longer it goes on, the more he's gone, going by his speech, the duration of talks getting no outcome points more towards he's gone. Its easier to say you're leaving once the finals are over. I assume that's what is going to happen.

I'd like to add money isn't everything. The majority of the community don't nearly come close to earning what they do and at such an age. History is forever, respect and loyalty is earned, legend status is earned, leaving for money is not.

 

[hollywood23]

BJ update, 4 years $950K, 'unofficial offer'......from Essendon.
So who/what do we do with picks 12 and 13? Package them for a top 5-8 pick? Would love to get Menzel junior or Caddy. We need to load up in every position, although Menzel may be a risk as word is he has re-injured his LARS surgery knee.

If that is what we are offering, it would be unbelievable list mismanagement on our behalf.

I do hope we get him, but I don't think our offer would be superior enough to yours to make him leave.

I still think he'll stay FWIW, but I think you'll end up paying him 700k for 3 years.

 

[BrianSpeaking]

If that is what we are offering, it would be unbelievable list mismanagement on our behalf.

I do hope we get him, but I don't think our offer would be superior enough to yours to make him leave.

I still think he'll stay FWIW, but I think you'll end up paying him 700k for 3 years.

And the plot thickens!
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...-brendon-goddard/story-e6frexx0-1226476072929
Highest paid player at the club and possible captaincy? We can't do much more I think.....

 

[saintsrfreak]

And the plot thickens!
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...-brendon-goddard/story-e6frexx0-1226476072929
Highest paid player at the club and possible captaincy? We can't do much more I think.....

On ya Roo

 

[Strahany]

And the plot thickens!
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...-brendon-goddard/story-e6frexx0-1226476072929
Highest paid player at the club and possible captaincy? We can't do much more I think.....

On ya Roo

Some people love to knock Roo, and question whether he is deserving of captaincy or not, but this is yet another thing that proves them wrong. Sure, this was organised years ago, so it's not like Roo is sacrificing a lot of pay, but you can bet that he wouldn't hesitate taking a pay cut if it benefited the team.

 

[Superduperouzel]

Nick Riewoldt is a champion in so many ways!

 

[stkildathunda]

That will shut all those that say Roo is overplayed so BJ deserves more. That's called loyalty, now if Brendon was loyal he would also take offer around 600K.

 

[Sunshine Saint]

Should have tanked.

Never, tanking is like a cancer. Look at Melbourne and Carlton, who have taught their players and list to underachieve, to get draft choices and now seem to have that as their default setting.