Dempsey's been lining up on a wing.
Review Cats demolish North by 75 points.
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Dempsey's been lining up on a wing.
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I don't usually post about it as gambling is so passe, but this cost me a 9 leg multi.
Not impressed.
What a difference having an almost full list to choose from has made in 2024.
This team is evolving before our very eyes with valuable experience being pumped into much of the next generation.
Kudos to the coaching group overall but a shout out to Stephen King who has got this midfield group humming along after 5 rounds.
We were unique in 2022 with our turnover game - highest score off opposition turnovers and best at defending from our own turnovers.
I think we are getting back to that but also focusing on doing the same with clearances - as one poster pointed out we are the best so far at scoring differential from clearances and turnover. Keep that up and we'll bat very deep into the finals.
About 90% of scores come from clearance and turnover so they are "the game"
Scott is , yet again , proving to be the master at matching game plan to available talent - what a gun he is
One concern I have is forward pressure , particularly defending kick ins - we are allowing 2-3 kicks without pressure which is getting the ball to the wing and beyond too regularly for my liking. So far we have been good at forcing a turnover from that point but I think the better ball user teams will hurt us if we don't tighten that up. That's a watch and act for me over the next 4 weeks.
This team is evolving before our very eyes with valuable experience being pumped into much of the next generation.
Kudos to the coaching group overall but a shout out to Stephen King who has got this midfield group humming along after 5 rounds.
We were unique in 2022 with our turnover game - highest score off opposition turnovers and best at defending from our own turnovers.
I think we are getting back to that but also focusing on doing the same with clearances - as one poster pointed out we are the best so far at scoring differential from clearances and turnover. Keep that up and we'll bat very deep into the finals.
About 90% of scores come from clearance and turnover so they are "the game"
Scott is , yet again , proving to be the master at matching game plan to available talent - what a gun he is
One concern I have is forward pressure , particularly defending kick ins - we are allowing 2-3 kicks without pressure which is getting the ball to the wing and beyond too regularly for my liking. So far we have been good at forcing a turnover from that point but I think the better ball user teams will hurt us if we don't tighten that up. That's a watch and act for me over the next 4 weeks.
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Agree. Let’s not forget that along with racking up disposals HBF has to counter an opponent.
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10 Jeremy Cameron8 Jack Bowes
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Bowes' last two games have been rippers.
Anyone who loses their spot to Danger (and Guthrie, whenever he's back) is going to be unlucky. Nobody's really in even in a semi-bad run of form...well, Tuohy hasn't set the world on fire, but he's probably the only exception?
(SDK didn't have a great start to the year, but his last two weeks have been improvements.)
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"Yeah it's truly hard to cut anyone from this team"
Insert homer Simpson reference:
Neale you're cut
O'Sullivan you're cut
Tuohy you're cut
Clark you're cut
Hawkins
Kolo
Dangerfield
Mannagh in for sub
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Probably, but as funny as the outcome was for us they needed to sign kids and they didn't need pick 7.Do you think we'd get a week's holiday if we went to the GC board, posted the votes & said "thanks for Jack"
It's the other clubs that chased him and missed that he to be reminded. All clubs in general, and Hawthorn and Essendon specifically.
Do you think we'd get a week's holiday if we went to the GC board, posted the votes & said "thanks for Jack
As good as he’s been for us, he probably still doesn’t get a game for GCS ahead of Miller, Rowell, Anderson, and Flanders. Maybe takes the 5th MID spot ahead of Graham.
Such are Duncan's standards, that if he dares dip below 20 disposals for a couple of games it's crisis mode.
His disposal efficiency is up this season, so are intercepts and score involvements. Turnovers are down.
As far as back flankers go, he's been a goal assist machine (6 from 4 games, at least 1 every game so far). 9 score involvements over his past "zero impact" fortnight.
For whatever reason we tend to see one veteran who the game has gone past, and then try to slap the same status on one or two team mates.
Kobe Gryant
'07, '09, '11, '22
Yeah it's weird. Every player should be treated as an individual in those cases.
It's very media like to go "This guys cooked, and these 3 other guys should go with him". It's a pointless exercise, and it's what f***ed over Norf & Hawthorn recently.
Touhy's the only one that worries me, and that's going back to last year. His kicking is his real asset to go with his strength in the contest, and those strengths appear to be leaving him. It's a bit like what we saw with Higgins at the end.
Duncan's had a couple of quiet games. It happens. Even when he's got low numbers his kicking is still elite, and he's going to hurt the oppo when he has it.
He'd need a genuine stretch of poor form to be a concern for mine.
I'm not sure "unlucky / playing well" equals "shouldn't be cut"?
Obviously the debutant who had a decent first hit-out (regardless of opposition) will probably be the first one out. The same applies for the mid who's played a grand total of 5-6 games.
Neale had his best senior game so far, and yes, will obviously be swapped with Hawkins, but in a lot of teams that kind of performance would probably buy him a few extra weeks...so unlucky.
Tuohy - well, yeah. I said that.
Anyway...
EDIT: "teams" typo
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I was just making a dumb Simpson's reference.
Dropped or not, a named 22 rarely plays multiple games together, someone is always in someone is always out for a variety of reasons.
None of the stats you cherry picked fill me with much confidence. Nine score involvements across two weeks isn’t anything to write home about. And score involvements are not a KPI for a HBF anyway.
The fact is Duncan has had no impact in the past fortnight. He only had 3 kicks in the first half on the weekend. He only had 2 kicks in the 2nd half vs the Dogs.
No one said it’s “crisis mode” apart from you. I literally said “I’m not silly enough to write him off after a couple of quiet games.” It’s just something to keep an eye on. Once again you deliberately misrepresent the OP like no other can.
Oh, I do apologise.
I was merely providing some facts to the discussion, it wasn't a "fill BORIS with confidence" attempt. Duncan is a playmaking back flanker. Of course score involvements are relevant, and 9 over 2 games is strong for that position. As is 6 goal assists from 4 games, and he had a goal robbed off him on the weekend as well. Intercepts and effective disposals, balanced against turnovers, are also relevant for his role. All ticking along nicely.
"The fact" is he had no impact? Oh nice, that's a great fact. It goes against what I consider a fact. We're now cherry picking certain parts of certain games, while removing the first two complete games? This is becoming a really tired attempt.
Duncan's had a strong start to 2024 and we have actively improved with his return to the half back line.
Not even CLOSE to consideration for being dropped.
I'm not sure if you wanted me to respond to the personal nonsense: "Once again you deliberately misrepresent the OP like no other can". It seems a fairly pathetic response to your position being challenged.
Its a great KPI if you're good at it, means that your ball use is translating to goal especially as rebounding defenders are super in vogue. Duncan is ranked 4th out of all defenders in score involvements. Given that he is one of our designated kickers from D50 into congestion, its a good sign.
For a Holmes drive by, Holmes is ranked 6th.
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I guess I’m more worried that injury will curtail the season. I feel like “if healthy” those three have shown enough that we can be competitive with our full midfield compliment. But I’m worried that Danger has a season like last, and Guthrie never gets 100%.
The way I see it our path to success is through a mass of players incrementally improving rather than a few exploding into league stars.
These guys were below average players last year and seem to have improve into above average players. That might be enough.
He is obviously a fantastic ball user and weapon with the ball in his hand. I just think you can see he’s slowing down and I think teams are now looking to isolate him as a defender.
He’s definitely upped his game from last season but it’s not two game, it’s two games and the 2023 season. And if he gets beaten up over the course of the season and we see his form continue to slide …do you start to consider dropping him?
Spot on.
It's Port (Houston, Farrel, Burton), GWS (Whitfield and Perryman) and Geelong (Duncan and Holmes) leading the way with effective back flankers who have their sides rebounds converted into scores.
Then Duncan has double the amount of goal assists per game compared to the next best defender to play multiple games in 2024.
Between Duncan's precision and Holmes' big territory gains, we are much better with our defensive-offensive transition so far this year.
Duncan's been slow for 3 or 4 years now. His 1v1 defence has never been strong, but we have plenty that are capable in that regard playing alongside him. We were hurt by his lack of agility moreso in 2023 on the wing. Veterans are actually suited more to the back flank behind the ball.
He remains one of our best ball winners and playmakers. Reverting to his 2022 role has been a big benefit to the side and it was in fact Duncan holding up strong through large parts of our disastrous 2023.
For your last question, if his form drops considerably then of course you would consider dropping him. As you would for any player in our side.
