Review Cats demolish North by 75 points.

[Farmer2Goggin]

I like Kingy, to be honest. And he's right more often than he's wrong.

Most supporters seem to think that particular commentators have it in for their team.

Agree - we can all be a bit sensitive at times but at the end of the day it's an opinion based industry.
King says what he thinks and it's usually backed up with reasoning which I much prefer to some of the bland commentary going around.
Interestingly his post 22GF interview with Whately was full of praise for our season and GF performance - there was no negativity , malice or jealousy - quite the opposite

 

[4quarter_cat]

You're not dropping the guy who has gone at 2 goals a game since coming to the club for someone with six games under their belt for the biggest game of the year thus far.

Who said anything about dropping?

 

[iameviljez]

Who said anything about dropping?

Resting. Managing. But he doesn’t really need a rest by the looks of it

 

[4quarter_cat]

At some point, yes. Don’t think this is the week for it.

I've just given up trying to pick the timing for these things with scott, and ollie seems the natural bloke to have a week off if you want to try it.

 

[4quarter_cat]

Resting. Managing. But he doesn’t really need a rest by the looks of it

Fair enough. I guess all i was trying to say was that is my smoky non anticipated for the meat tray.

 

[Lana]

At some point, yes. Don’t think this is the week for it.

As a good week as any.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Agree - we can all be a bit sensitive at times but at the end of the day it's an opinion based industry.
King says what he thinks and it's usually backed up with reasoning which I much prefer to some of the bland commentary going around.
Interestingly his post 22GF interview with Whately was full of praise for our season and GF performance - there was no negativity , malice or jealousy - quite the opposite

Is it though? I'll give an example.

On First crack when they were doing their season predictions, King spoke about the importance of intercept players, and used it for his rationale for why every team will improve.

Wilkie at the Saints, Lever at the Dees, Sicily at the Hawks, you get the idea.

Then, when asked about Geelong it was suddenly "Is Mitch Knevitt going to take you to the promised land? I'm not sure" - Like that's relevant in the slightest to how our season was going to go.

If you afforded that to every other club, no dramas then, but he doesn't.

Not a mention of Stewart, SDK, Zuthrie, or Jack Henry, which would fit the guidelines for what he gave about every other club.

He will use data and analytics on occasion...but he's got an ingrained bias against some clubs, and needs outlandish results and/or statistics to admit he was wrong on them.

Check out first crack on kayo every week and you'll see what most of us are talking about.

Joey is glowing in his praise, even Ben Dixon is when he's on...while Kingy literally fumbles with the paper and pens while staring blankly at his desk. It's very amusing.

 

[iameviljez]

As a good week as any.

I disagree about that - this will be a very tough game, and probably a close one. You wouldn't want to rest a key player and lose by less than a kick.

Whereas if we're playing, say, Gold Coast at home, then if the game is that close we have bigger problems.

I know that in Australian Rules, we have an inbuilt aversion to putting out a weaker side against any opponent, from GWS to the Hurstbridge 3rd Grade Reserves. But, if resting players is to become a regular thing, we need to get used to rotating players while putting out a team that can win. Have a look at European soccer, where the best clubs play between 50 and 65 games per year. They have a best 11 that they send out for the biggest matches, but rotate their bench through when playing a weaker team.

 

[Vivy]

I like Kingy, to be honest. And he's right more often than he's wrong.

Most supporters seem to think that particular commentators have it in for their team.

King does have it in for Geelong.

His analysis is besides the point. You can create an argument that many teams are bad or good depending on the slant you take. It's an opinion game in the media. They should at least have one, and he excels at it which is fine.

It's the personal attacks on players that are unrelated to his typical analysis that show his hand.

Dangerfield protecting his space against Ginbey last year in a marking contest was highlighted by King for something that was nearing on trivial. Below article shows a side by side of the kick that Greene laid on Dahlhaus. King then goes on to say that he should be fined and put on notice.

‘Stamp this out’: AFL urged to act on Danger ‘studs up’ act that forced rule change

‘Stamp this out’: Danger in hot water over controversial act as AFL urged to make statement

www.foxsports.com.au

Below is the video of the Greene kick for reference. I remember the Ginbey "kick". If you were to tell me that these were one and the same I'd struggle to ever take you seriously again.



King goes at it again after Easter Monday in 2022 and this time he's going after Tom Hawkins wallet. A push and an exaggeration that happens many times each and every game of AFL football that is played is then amplified by King and singled out as a scourge of the game. Interesting.

 

[Lana]

I disagree about that - this will be a very tough game, and probably a close one. You wouldn't want to rest a key player and lose by less than a kick.

Whereas if we're playing, say, Gold Coast at home, then if the game is that close we have bigger problems.

I know that in Australian Rules, we have an inbuilt aversion to putting out a weaker side against any opponent, from GWS to the Hurstbridge 3rd Grade Reserves. But, if resting players is to become a regular thing, we need to get used to rotating players while putting out a team that can win. Have a look at European soccer, where the best clubs play between 50 and 65 games per year. They have a best 11 that they send out for the biggest matches, but rotate their bench through when playing a weaker team.

It's not just for resting purposes, just horses for courses.

We're going to want have someone stand Harris Andrews, He'll just run off Hawkins, Cameron does his own thing, last year O.Henry was our guy it wasn't a fair assignment but it was ugly.

 

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[CatToTheFuture]

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Thought some may like the look of this

He's like the love child of a giraffe and a panther

 

[Strange Cat]

He's like the love child of a giraffe and a panther

Still better looking than me

 

[Mr Meow]

It's not just for resting purposes, just horses for courses.

We're going to want have someone stand Harris Andrews, He'll just run off Hawkins, Cameron does his own thing, last year O.Henry was our guy it wasn't a fair assignment but it was ugly.

Andrews had his 8th lowest disposal tally of 2023 against us last year. We had 4 players with more intercepts. He had the same amount of intercepts as Jeremy Cameron: 5.

Our midfield getting murdered was the main issue. 50 clearances to 21 and they had about 40 more contested possessions.

 

[winty]

One for the stats buffs.

 

[Lana]

Andrews had his 8th lowest disposal tally of 2023 against us last year. We had 4 players with more intercepts. He had the same amount of intercepts as Jeremy Cameron: 5.

Our midfield getting murdered was the main issue. 50 clearances to 21 and they had about 40 more contested possessions.

The clearances weren't fatal on their own. Given the score line. We just needed to move the ball once we won it back but their KPD as a group were just a wall. Andrews got the three Brownlow votes.

Andrews had a lazy 10 spoils with the 2 Intercept Marks. Lester 6 and 2, Paine 5 and 1. With Rohan out, Andrews was on O.Henry who couldn't compete with the size difference, Payne held Hawkins, who was being beaten getting to the contest.

Don't have footage but from memory we refused to move the ball through the corridor as we couldn't run so we were pushing it wide and long where it was being spoiled for a boundary throw in.

 

[Mr Meow]

The clearances weren't fatal on their own. Given the score line. We just needed to move the ball once we won it back but their KPD as a group were just a wall. Andrews got the three Brownlow votes.

Andrews had a lazy 10 spoils with the 2 Intercept Marks. Lester 6 and 2, Paine 5 and 1. With Rohan out, Andrews was on O.Henry who couldn't compete with the size difference, Payne held Hawkins, who was being beaten getting to the contest.

Don't have footage but from memory we refused to move the ball through the corridor as we couldn't run so we were pushing it wide and long where it was being spoiled for a boundary throw in.

I remember he spoiled a lot. I just think losing clearances and contested possessions by such a huge amount was the critical factor. We can lose them, but not by 30 and 40 apiece respectively.

 

[Lana]

I remember he spoiled a lot. I just think losing clearances and contested possessions by such a huge amount was the critical factor. We can lose them, but not by 30 and 40 apiece respectively.

Usually those differentials are a sign of a massive loss, but there are games that are statistical outliers where the impact of the gap is less then the numbers suggest. Brisbane are just a really inefficient team by foot and were shit (on the night) at generating long possession chains. A good illustration of this is their relatively low number of score involvements, our scoring chains had an additional disposal per chain then theirs.

My contention is that despite the lopsided inside midfield battle we could have won the game given Brisbane's inadequacy in retaining the ball had our own ball movement been up to the task, we were incapable of moving the ball directly due to our team's poor conditioning, but despite even this we still had more then enough opportunities to win the game even through wide ball movement that we attempted.

Ultimately what ended up being the final nail in the coffin was our weakness at contesting the long ball on the wings, our issues in this were partly driven by a poor match day match up of O.Henry v Andrews. Which is understandable given the size difference between the two and should be avoided if possible. Combined with Hawkins' difficultly in reaching the contest.

Now chances are the conditions of that caused our gameplan to follow the wide ball movement strategy are probably not there anymore, but should we find ourselves force to play that game we'd find ourselves falling into the same trap which can only be avoided at selection.

 

[Mr Meow]

Usually those differentials are a sign of a massive loss, but there are games that are statistical outliers where the impact of the gap is less then the numbers suggest. Brisbane are just a really inefficient team by foot and were s**t (on the night) at generating long possession chains. A good illustration of this is their relatively low number of score involvements, out scoring chains had an additional disposal per chain then their.

My contention is that despite the lopsided inside midfield battle we could have won the game given Brisbane's inadequacy in retaining the ball had our own ball movement been up to the task, we were incapable of moving the ball directly due to our team's poor conditioning, but even despite this we still had more then enough opportunities to win the game even through wide ball movement that we attempted.

Ultimately what ended up being the final nail in the coffin was our weakness at contesting the long ball on the wings, our issues in this were partly driven by a poor match day match up of O.Henry v Andrews. Which is understandable given the size difference between the two and should be avoided if possible. Combined with Hawkins' difficultly in reaching the contest.

Now chances are the conditions of that caused our gameplan to follow the wide ball movement strategy are probably not there anymore, but should we find ourselves force to play that game we'd find ourselves falling into the same trap which can only be avoided at selection.

Yeah fair enough, well articulated.

It's definitely an area we have to focus on. Henry nullified Sicily but Andrews has a lot more size.

Is your solution to include Neale? And keep Hawkins or go Neale only?

 

[Lana]

Yeah fair enough, well articulated.

It's definitely an area we have to focus on. Henry nullified Sicily but Andrews has a lot more size.

Is your solution to include Neale? And keep Hawkins or go Neale only?

It's not really a solution, Andrews will probably still towel up Neale.

The club isn't going to leave out Hawkins. Brisbane will send Payne to him
Lester will follow Cameron where ever he goes.

The questions are can we carry both O.Henry and Neale in the same 22.

If no the who would you rather match up on Andrews.

If yes how do you use O.Henry to create a issue for Brisbane defence

I'd just side step the issue by resting O.Henry this week

 

[Mr Meow]

It's not really a solution, Andrews will probably still towel up Neale.

The club isn't going to leave out Hawkins. Brisbane will send Payne to him
Lester will follow Cameron where ever he goes.

The questions are can we carry both O.Henry and Neale in the same 22.

If no the who would you rather match up on Andrews.

If yes how do you use O.Henry to create a issue for Brisbane defence

I'd just side step the issue by resting O.Henry this week

It's a tough one.

Getting the ball to ground is important with our elite smalls and their not elite small defenders.

It's hard to get around how uncompetitive Hawkins and Cameron can be in the air if it doesn't sit right on them. Henry is at least improving in this area.

It wouldn't have been a bad game for a fully functional Rohan.

I'd probably just leave Henry in and swap Neale for Hawkins. But anyone with an inch of athleticism has to be contesting in the air. And our ball movement can not afford to be lazy and unimaginative.

 

[Generalissimo]

Henry has the knack of keeping the ball in front of him in marking contests if he can't get the mark himself. It gives our small forwards every opportunity to crumb.