Preview Changes: R15 vs Geelong

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Himmelberg's metres covered when he played was off the chart. Way better runner than Jenkins.

However he got spanked by Andrews and McGovern (both guns) so didn't see much of the footy.

Geelong offer a similar challenge. Their defence is excellent.

 

[marty36]

Himmelberg matches Jenkins.

The amount of running Lynch does I would hardly call him too heavy.

Geeong are clearly the best team in the comp, pyke will no doubt want to win this game, there will be a maximum of two changes

EH clearly struggled at the elite level

The team has been travelling well, all be it on the back of JJ in the forward line, Lynch is an big in for us, I can see Walker playing deeper, Lynch up the ground, rest of the forward line to remain the same, Douglas will provide the pressure acts as he did last week being the leader of the entire team, Harto and keath to have stints in ruck

Pyke may consider bringing in Gibbs as he is quality when in form, and the last few weeks in the SANFL he is showing something, if he comes in, you could see on of Greenwood/Douglass/Murphy go out

 

[Cap]

You have to wonder what goes through the heads of the SANFL sometimes.

Its a Crows bye, why have your bye when you have the chance to pick up crowds and TV exposure.

I feel like not going out of spite.

 

[Jack is Back]

[QUOTE="marty36, post: 61442263, member:]
EH clearly struggled at the elite level
[/QUOTE]
So...... EH “struggled” when playing his first few games, I recall you writing off Keath because he “struggled” in his first few games.

In MartyWorld all tall forwards and tall defenders are All Australian contenders as soon as they play their first AFL game.

Just quietly, there has been quite a bit of “struggling” amongst our 200+ game players (Douglas, Mackay, Gibbs). The stats for EH stack up quite well compared to other key forwards in the AFL except for the best 3 or 4. In CrazyTown KIDS become instant champions without needed the generally agreed 40 to 50 games of AFL experience. Check out the stats for the first 10 games for top ten tall forward draft picks like Boyd, Schache, Weideman, Mckay, McCartin, Daniher, Patton...
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[CrowBloke]

We keep losing to the Cats playing the same style, I would love to see Pyke try something different.

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Agree completely - do something different; don't select the same team and play the same style that generally fails.

I get what both of you are saying. They've beaten us 17 out of 20 times @ the Cattery, which is the third-worst record of any team down there where their record overall stands at an imposing 67% vs. all-comers.
Bicks posted on Tuesday (from Champion data), that Adelaide leads in the following:
" Hard ball gets - 1st
Contested possession - 1st
Tackles - 1st "
I don't want to see the Crows do anything different from those on Friday week. Also, our defence is vastly improved from the side that got done by 4 goals at AO in Round 3.
Our % then was 87.9%, now 115%.
The "something different" that I'd hope for is:
--- a better DE% going I50 and a better scoring efficiency from those forward entries ie better goalkicking from set shots.
--- relentless forward pressure locking the ball in the D50.
--- no dinky kicks in our D50 that hit oppo players on the chest or get intercepted by grateful oppo forwards courtesy of poor execution. Those clangers alone gift the opposition 2-3 goals/game, UNEARNED, and might be the defining difference.

(P.S. Looks like Talia, Kelly, Lynch and Murphy will all be available. Lynch back in for JJ (inj.) is obvious. Then it's a matter of whether they pick Gibbs (or Jones/McHenry/Davis/Wilson) for Douglas, or not)

 

[CrowBloke]

I feel like not going out of spite.

Not going where (ie to not watch the Crows who are not playing)?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

You have to wonder what goes through the heads of the SANFL sometimes.

Its a Crows bye, why have your bye when you have the chance to pick up crowds and TV exposure.

I feel like not going out of spite.

That's our request isn't it? So the whole club can have a break at the same time

 

[phill1795]

Has everyone on here written off Otten from being selected?

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[GROTTO]

Has everyone on here written off Otten from being selected?

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Otten is more of your break glass emergency if or when we lose another defender imo.


EDIT - I hope he gets a farewell game, as I think there is an opportunity to play him maybe against the Suns.

 

[kulak]

[QUOTE="marty36, post: 61442263, member:]
EH clearly struggled at the elite level

So...... EH “struggled” when playing his first few games, I recall you writing off Keath because he “struggled” in his first few games.

In MartyWorld all tall forwards and tall defenders are All Australian contenders as soon as they play their first AFL game.

Just quietly, there has been quite a bit of “struggling” amongst our 200+ game players (Douglas, Mackay, Gibbs). The stats for EH stack up quite well compared to other key forwards in the AFL except for the best 3 or 4. In CrazyTown KIDS become instant champions without needed the generally agreed 40 to 50 games of AFL experience. Check out the stats for the first 10 games for top ten tall forward draft picks like Boyd, Schache, Weideman, Mckay, McCartin, Daniher, Patton...
.
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Isn’t Marty’s point - that he has made consistently - that we should NOT expect kids to be difference makers at the beginning?

Ie Himmelberg struggling is expected because he is a kid. Not proof of anything more.

Plenty of dumb arguments on this forum you could take aim at without needing to fabricate something.

 

[CrowBloke]

Holy **** will we be top heavy if we bring those two.

Lynch is a certainty, if fit. Lynch in for JJ, but as link-man with Tex and Greenwood rotating (if necessary) between FF and CHF.
Douglas need to be replaced, but not by a tall (EH's form doesn't warrant him being back in the AFL).

 

[CrowBloke]

Himmelberg matches Jenkins.

Himmelberg is better than the soft, lazy Jenkins who was dropped, but not the Jenkins who played last week.
Himmelberg's SANFL form is mediocre and his kicking for goal is awful (easy set shots ootf).
Lynch is a no-brainer IN, but I have doubts about EH on current form. Do you think he'll be suited @ the Cattery?

 

[Elite Crow]

Himmelberg is better than the soft, lazy Jenkins who was dropped, but not the Jenkins who played last week.
Himmelberg's SANFL form is mediocre and his kicking for goal is awful (easy set shots ootf).
Lynch is a no-brainer IN, but I have doubts about EH on current form. Do you think he'll be suited @ the Cattery?

I think in terms of mobility there isn’t much difference between Jenkins and EH and if anything, EH showed by the kms he ran he had more.

As for form that’s a different question.

I just can’t see us going into the game one KPF down and without a backup ruck.

 

[Squiba]

Himmelberg's metres covered when he played was off the chart. Way better runner than Jenkins.

However he got spanked by Andrews and McGovern (both guns) so didn't see much of the footy.

Geelong offer a similar challenge. Their defence is excellent.

In saying that, to me it looks like he either lacks a tank for the length of a game, or he doesn't pace himself to suit his own level yet. He looked like he was running in quicksand at times in the last quarter of matches when trying to reach a loose ball. I agree he is athletic but JJ absolutely freewheels to position when compared to late game Ezy.

 

[CrowBloke]

There's a reason he was famous for Joe the Goose goals.. because of his aerobic capacity.

JJ certainly hares around chasing the JtG goals! Loves'em, and runs hard/fast getting'em. He's improved his second efforts, too, judging by last week .
Too bad he doesn't chase his defender with the same enthusiasm when they rebound .

 

[CrowBloke]

I just can’t see us going into the game one KPF down and without a backup ruck.

Understood.
But ROB can shoulder most of the ruckwork; he has elite fitness, speed and aerobic capacity.
How about Lynch playing his usual link-man role, Betts/Murphy/Gallucci/Greenwood/Tex forward (Greenwood and Tex can both take a grab) with Jones IN and Brouch/Sloane rotating with Jones forward, which would give Jones some mid-minutes as well?
That would leave Greenwood to pinch-hit-ruck forward (occasionally) and Hartigan same in defence, or would that unbalance the side?
Replacing JJ with someone tall, but out-of-form, is not a good move. EH might be able to give ROB a rest, but he has to be effective forward, as well. If not, their run out of defence will kill us.

 

[CrowBloke]

Elite Crow
Also, from memory Scott loves to have a loose man in defence when we get on a roll. Do you think Pyke will allow that again, or get someone forward to pick that loose man up?

 

[marty36]

[QUOTE="marty36, post: 61442263, member:]
EH clearly struggled at the elite level

So...... EH “struggled” when playing his first few games, I recall you writing off Keath because he “struggled” in his first few games.

In MartyWorld all tall forwards and tall defenders are All Australian contenders as soon as they play their first AFL game.

Just quietly, there has been quite a bit of “struggling” amongst our 200+ game players (Douglas, Mackay, Gibbs). The stats for EH stack up quite well compared to other key forwards in the AFL except for the best 3 or 4. In CrazyTown KIDS become instant champions without needed the generally agreed 40 to 50 games of AFL experience. Check out the stats for the first 10 games for top ten tall forward draft picks like Boyd, Schache, Weideman, Mckay, McCartin, Daniher, Patton...
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Huh EH clearly struggled we know that, he needs more development, are you against that comment

He may become a competent player, he may not, we have no answer on that

We saw when an experienced quality came back in, things happened

I see EH's difference between JJ, is he hasn't learnt how to finish off, maybe that's the coaches fault for him playing up the field soo much maybe its his fault and why he was dropped, we don't know

Maybe he has learnt and will come in as a better player, but Pyke wants to win remember that

 

[marty36]

So...... EH “struggled” when playing his first few games, I recall you writing off Keath because he “struggled” in his first few games.

In MartyWorld all tall forwards and tall defenders are All Australian contenders as soon as they play their first AFL game.

Just quietly, there has been quite a bit of “struggling” amongst our 200+ game players (Douglas, Mackay, Gibbs). The stats for EH stack up quite well compared to other key forwards in the AFL except for the best 3 or 4. In CrazyTown KIDS become instant champions without needed the generally agreed 40 to 50 games of AFL experience. Check out the stats for the first 10 games for top ten tall forward draft picks like Boyd, Schache, Weideman, Mckay, McCartin, Daniher, Patton...
.

Isn’t Marty’s point - that he has made consistently - that we should NOT expect kids to be difference makers at the beginning?

Ie Himmelberg struggling is expected because he is a kid. Not proof of anything more.

Plenty of dumb arguments on this forum you could take aim at without needing to fabricate something.
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Im happy to play kids to develop them, but if Pyke wants his best 22 to win maybe its not the answer

Pyke would be they play in the SANFL or AFL and develop

WE send players like JJ and gibbs back to the SANFL to find form why cant the youngsters develop in the same comp

 

[CrowBloke]

1) EH clearly struggled at the elite level
The team has been travelling well, all be it on the back of JJ in the forward line, 2) Lynch is an big in for us, I can see Walker playing deeper, 3) Lynch up the ground, rest of the forward line to remain the same, 4) Douglas will provide the pressure acts as he did last week being the leader of the entire team, Harto and keath to have stints in ruck
5) Pyke may consider bringing in Gibbs as he is quality when in form, and the last few weeks in the SANFL he is showing something, if he comes in, you could see on of Greenwood/Douglass/Murphy go out

Yes, to most of highlighted passages, albeit with some disagreement:
1) EH ran out of gas, but was a worthy replacement until then.
2) yes, and 3) is Lynch's usual role.
4) What? or do you mean leader in pressure acts?
5) Well, the last week, anyway.

Suggestion: proof-read your posts before posting ...?

 

[skam85]

So...... EH “struggled” when playing his first few games, I recall you writing off Keath because he “struggled” in his first few games.

In MartyWorld all tall forwards and tall defenders are All Australian contenders as soon as they play their first AFL game.

Just quietly, there has been quite a bit of “struggling” amongst our 200+ game players (Douglas, Mackay, Gibbs). The stats for EH stack up quite well compared to other key forwards in the AFL except for the best 3 or 4. In CrazyTown KIDS become instant champions without needed the generally agreed 40 to 50 games of AFL experience. Check out the stats for the first 10 games for top ten tall forward draft picks like Boyd, Schache, Weideman, Mckay, McCartin, Daniher, Patton...
.

Isn’t Marty’s point - that he has made consistently - that we should NOT expect kids to be difference makers at the beginning?

Ie Himmelberg struggling is expected because he is a kid. Not proof of anything more.

Plenty of dumb arguments on this forum you could take aim at without needing to fabricate something.
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It's probably the only thing Marty is actually right about

 

[marty36]

Has everyone on here written off Otten from being selected?

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Unlikely he comes in for JJ

 

[marty36]

Yes, to most of highlighted passages, albeit with some disagreement:
1) EH ran out of gas, but was a worthy replacement until then.
2) yes, and 3) is Lynch's usual role.
4) What? or do you mean leader in pressure acts?
5) Well, the last week, anyway.

Suggestion: proof-read your posts before posting ...?

EH was not fit enough for AFL level but fit enough in the SANFL is that what you mean

 

[marty36]

In saying that, to me it looks like he either lacks a tank for the length of a game, or he doesn't pace himself to suit his own level yet. He looked like he was running in quicksand at times in the last quarter of matches when trying to reach a loose ball. I agree he is athletic but JJ absolutely freewheels to position when compared to late game Ezy.

I think you are right, all players regardless of who you are would know their own fitness ability and pace themselves, no one in their right mind goes as hard as they can knowing they are going to blow up in 60 minutes when you have 120 minutes of a game or what ever sport you play.

If EH doesn't know his limitations he wont only have problems now but for the rest of his career

 

[Elite Crow]

Elite Crow
Also, from memory Scott loves to have a loose man in defence when we get on a roll. Do you think Pyke will allow that again, or get someone forward to pick that loose man up?

I hope we do pick them up as they always kill us, but have no idea what Pyke will do