Unofficial Preview Changes V Sydney (Cloke, JDG in & White, Schazza, Maynard emergencies, see team in OP)

[Soaring Magpie]

No way known Witts comes back in this week, Grundy plays so much better as the sole ruck. White may come in to play the 3rd tall/ruck for Moore who has not done enough the last 2 weeks. Moore is going to take time but he needs to impact a little more than what he is currently

 

[Soaring Magpie]

When did this happen?!?!?

I'm reluctant to think it has happened, and I'd very much doubt it would be public knowledge if a conversation has taken place.
PK is a lifelong collingwood supporters, can't see him asking to be traded.

 

[PepperFace]

Just like Moore has overtaken White?

Exactly. In terms of the need for development

 

[PieBeast]

Exactly. In terms of the need for development

umm, you're right, White is unlikely to develop any more but this has nothing to do with him being "overtaken" by Darcy right now.

Nice shift of goalposts but

 

[Apex36]

I would not Call Witts a lot better the Grundy as a Tap Ruckman.

I see nearly every single ruckman do that

Maggie5 we know you think Witts will be the best Ruckman in the League

And Grundy is Average at best

Give it a rest Dave. You crap on about how good Grundy is way more than Maggie does with Witts, and frankly, there's not a huge amount between them.

 

[PepperFace]

umm, you're right, White is unlikely to develop any more but this has nothing to do with him being "overtaken" by Darcy right now.

Nice shift of goalposts but

Toovey is a better one-on-one defender at this stage than Marsh/Scharenberg but he lets the whole team down with his disposal. Id prefer to let one of the two younger guys make mistakes in the last 4 games of the season than Toovey. And same goes with White. He is not up to it.......bursts of good footy doesnt hold up - we need to cut our losses and let Moore learn at the AFL level

 

[PieBeast]

Toovey is a better one-on-one defender at this stage than Marsh/Scharenberg but he lets the whole team down with his disposal. Id prefer to let one of the two younger guys make mistakes in the last 4 games of the season than Toovey. And same goes with White. He is not up to it.......bursts of good footy doesnt hold up - we need to cut our losses and let Moore learn at the AFL level

That's a fair enough opinion even though I don't necessarily agree with it.
But "overtaken" was a wrong term to use.

 

[ThePhantom777]

If Cloke and Adams don't get up.

In: White Kennedy De Goey
Out: Crisp, Adams, Toovey

B Maynard | Frost | Williams
HB Langdon | Brown | Sinclair
C Varcoe| Greenwood | Sidebottom
Foll Grundy | Swan | Pendlebury
HF Fasolo | White| Elliott
F Moore| Reid | Blair

Int Kennedy| Marsh | Scharenberg | Sub: De Goey

White to play against his old side and play 2nd ruck.
Kennedy gets a full game rotating in the midfield
De Goey will still be tired so can come in as the sub.

 

[iGNITER]

INS: Cloke, DeGoey
OUTS: Adams (inj), Toovey

B - Langdon Frost Marsh
HB - Williams Brown Scharenberg
C - Varcoe Pendlebury Sidebottom
HF - Swan Cloke Fasolo
F - Elliott Reid Moore
R - Grundy Greenwood Crisp
INT - Maynard Sinclair DeGoey Blair

 

[robertg22]

Out: Crisp, Adams, Toovey

Have I missed something? Why would Crisp be out?

 

[jscan]

How has Moore 'ovetaken' White?. He kicked 5 goals in one game and has done jack all in the others?, just saying.

 

[Harry O]

Ted Ruchards given a fine not suspension under the 'we must shaft Collingwood' rule.

 

[ThePhantom777]

Have I missed something? Why would Crisp be out?

Because he did his segment with Darcy Moore on the Black & White show last week with no shirt on which was disgraceful.

 

[Pie eyed]

Apologies to the mods for this potential thread derailment....

Presti's loyalty was commendable and a demonstration of the quality of the man, but far too much was made of it by the club. At Hawthorn it would have been kept in house, just another in a long line of team first sacrifices that their great success is built on. At Collingwood we hoist him into the stands to unfurl the flag and dedicate his number to the first picked player every year, even though that number belongs to one of our greatest champion. Too many of our players are lauded beyond what is accurate and it is one of the reasons why we win flags every 20 years.

I totally disagree. I think you're making a lot of your opinion , minimizing an incredibly selfless act.
Who gives a single flying heck what they might have done at Hawthorn?
Seriously!!!
Stupidest reasoning ever. Go barrack for them if you're so smitten.

 

[ThePhantom777]

Buddy might not play which would be helpful

 

[Kilmo]

I'm hoping and can't wait to see our forward line setup of Cloke, Reid and White, which has been the planned ideal forward line for nearly two years now and we haven't been able to see it.

 

[Maggie5]

Little harsh Maggie5 .. clearances are more a product of midfield effort as it is a ruckmans hitouts. Also had a game high 9 tackles which is incredibly rare for a big guy

Agree, but I was in a bad mood and didn't appreciate the post that I was responding too.

For mine, it is not enough just to be a good tap ruckman but also to make your presence felt around the ground and impact the contest. On more than one occasion, Grundy lost contact with Kruezer, which was costly. Although both our young ruckman are in their early stages of their careers, I have no problem with someone pointing out Witt's deficiency but it seems to some on this board Grundy is untouchable.

 

[robertg22]

Because he did his segment with Darcy Moore on the Black & White show last week with no shirt on which was disgraceful.

In that case, I think we should trade him back to Brisbane for Jackson Paine.

 

[TradeDraft]

No way known Witts comes back in this week, Grundy plays so much better as the sole ruck. White may come in to play the 3rd tall/ruck for Moore who has not done enough the last 2 weeks. Moore is going to take time but he needs to impact a little more than what he is currently

We have a Record of 7-3 With Grundy as our Sole Ruckman

 

[TradeDraft]

Agree, but I was in a bad mood and didn't appreciate the post that I was responding too.

For mine, it is not enough just to be a good tap ruckman but also to make your presence felt around the ground and impact the contest. On more than one occasion, Grundy lost contact with Kruezer, which was costly. Although both our young ruckman are in their early stages of their careers, I have no problem with someone pointing out Witt's deficiency but it seems to some on this board Grundy is untouchable.

Grundy had 9 Tackles and 7 1%ers. That is Pretty Impressive for a Ruckman

http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2015/19/coll-v-carl

 

[Soaring Magpie]

We have a Record of 7-3 With Grundy as our Sole Ruckman

That's exactly what I'm referring to, Grundy plays as the only ruck.
But we do need a backup ruck/forward, and I'm not sure we can go with Moore in that role just yet as we will burn him out.

 

[ThePhantom777]

And it's not like Sydney have a strong ruck division anyway. One ruck and a backup is all we need. White in.

 

[ClaytonM]

[QUOTE="PepperFace, post: 40143632, member: 138482]- we need to cut our losses and let Moore learn at the AFL level[/QUOTE]

It is a myth that players need to be in the AFL to develop, or develop faster. Moore has plenty of development to do, including ruck work which could and probably should be done in the VFL. 15-20 touches in the VFL is probably better for development than 6-10 in the AFL.

 

[ClaytonM]

We have a Record of 7-3 With Grundy as our Sole Ruckman

And 1-5 with Moore in the side. What is your point? Should we be dropping Moore? Nice selective stat quoting.

 

[TradeDraft]

That's exactly what I'm referring to, Grundy plays as the only ruck.
But we do need a backup ruck/forward, and I'm not sure we can go with Moore in that role just yet as we will burn him out.

Well I agree White is the better Choice as the Ruck/Forward.