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It’s in SA now.

Australia has done what the US has done and banned anyone who has visited China that isn’t an Australian citizen or their immediate family.

Qantas has stopped all flights to and from China.

It’s not serious though.
 
Can’t see the game in Shanghai going ahead at this stage - could be the death blow for our misconceived push into China.
On the broader issue, in a briefing I was at yesterday they said the fatality rate at around 2% is likely an overestimate given there will have been many people with mild symptoms that have gone undiagnosed. The median age for the fatalities is also around 75 - and most of these will have had preexisting medical conditions. It’s serious but it’s not Ebola
 
The current DFAT travel advice for China has been upgraded to, Level 4: Do Not Travel. Hopefully this will not remain in place for long but the longer it remains the less chance there is that the game will go ahead.

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If you were thinking of booking for China you would have second thoughts while that warning is in place. No need to panic just yet but if that Level 4 warning is still in place mid April the game might be in danger.

The potential danger to the China Game is not the coronavirus but the world's reaction to the coronavirus and how long that reaction will last. At the rate the world's airlines are cancelling services to China those intending to travel may not have a plane to catch.
 
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According to the Global Times (a state run Chinese tabloid), the National Health Commission of China has stated that corpses are to be cremated nearby hospitals and that funerals aren't permitted anymore.

This was after several videos were posted online of the number of dead being transported from one hospital (eight in one day) and Chinese residents saying to not believe the 'official' numbers of the Chinese government.

Then you've got video of people in hazmat suits with assault rifles and handguns walking the streets, along with riot police being deployed in China.

If you want to know how serious it actually is, this is a report of the first case of coronavirus in the US:


At its peak, the patient requires oxygen supplementation, due to having an oxygen saturation of low as 90% when breathing ambient air. 97-99% is healthy. This is in a clean air environment like the US, where the API index is <20, so the ambient air is of high quality.

Can you imagine what it's like in Wuhan, where the API index is 161 right now, and is forecast to be 248 this week? No wonder you see people dying on the streets. The equivalent would be walking around in smog at 8000 feet above sea level with pneumonia, since 90% oxygen saturation is the equivalent of being at 8000 feet sea level.

That's why the Chinese government is telling people to stay indoors. My theory is that they have told industry to shut down in an attempt to clear the air.
 
Janus said:
Can you imagine what it's like in Wuhan, where the API index is 161 right now, and is forecast to be 248 this week? No wonder you see people dying on the streets. The equivalent would be walking around in smog at 8000 feet above sea level with pneumonia, since 90% oxygen saturation is the equivalent of being at 8000 feet sea level.
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If you equivalise Sa02 of 90% (i.e. following development of pneumonia in that patient) with being 8000ft above sea level your equivalent would be walking about in smog at altitude.

Still not a pleasant prospect.
 
LaunchpadMcQuack said:
If you equivalise Sa02 of 90% (i.e. following development of pneumonia in that patient) with being 8000ft above sea level your equivalent would be walking about in smog at altitude.

Still not a pleasant prospect.
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Not meaning to trivialise a terrible situation at the moment, but...……..

most impressed by this post for use of the word "equivalise".
 
Notice a cruise ship fom Hong Kong to Phillipines has been denied entry to the latter. Things are hotting up but still death rate is in the low 2%s.

Adelaide couple on board:

David and Judy Holst were about halfway through a 30-day cruise through Asia, starting in Singapore and ending in Shanghai.

Name rings a bell....maybe

www.abc.net.au

Cruise ship stuck at sea after 'dumb, greedy' stop in Hong Kong amid coronavirus fears

An Adelaide couple is among up to 2,000 people stuck on a cruise ship in the South China Sea after it was refused entry to the Philippines because of fears about the coronavirus.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
Lawnchair Larry said:
Notice a cruise ship fom Hong Kong to Phillipines has been denied entry to the latter. Things are hotting up but still death rate is in the low 2%s.

Adelaide couple on board:

David and Judy Holst were about halfway through a 30-day cruise through Asia, starting in Singapore and ending in Shanghai.

Name rings a bell....maybe

www.abc.net.au

Cruise ship stuck at sea after 'dumb, greedy' stop in Hong Kong amid coronavirus fears

An Adelaide couple is among up to 2,000 people stuck on a cruise ship in the South China Sea after it was refused entry to the Philippines because of fears about the coronavirus.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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Qantas update on China services


Qantas will suspend its two direct services to mainland China (Sydney-Beijing and Sydney-Shanghai) from 9 February until 29 March 2020.

This follows entry restrictions imposed by countries including Singapore and the United States, which impact the movement of crew who work across the Qantas International network.

These entry restrictions pose significant logistical challenges for rostering crew to operate mainland China services, leading to the need to temporarily suspend these flights.

There is no change to Qantas services to Hong Kong as it is exempt from current travel restrictions.

In selecting a date to suspend services, Qantas is working to balance high passenger numbers in both directions - including Australian residents wanting to return home from China - with the various travel restrictions being applied. The suspension may be brought forward if demand levels or other factors change. The date for flights to resume will also be regularly reviewed based on the circumstances.

Qantas is liaising closely with the Australian Government on the impact of these changes to citizens currently in mainland China, and continues to take advice from the World Health Organisation and Australia's Chief Medical Officer regarding the Coronavirus in its decision-making.

Qantas thanks customers for their understanding and its crew for their professionalism in light of these ongoing developments.

Customers with bookings between 9 February and 29 March are advised to speak to their Travel Agent to discuss travel options. For those customers who have booked directly through Qantas or Qantas Business Rewards, please contact Qantas to discuss your options. There is no change to Qantas codeshare arrangements on China Eastern and China Southern flights.

As previously announced, Qantas' Sydney-Beijing service was scheduled to end on 23 February 2020 for commercial reasons. With this announcement, it will now end on 9 February instead.

Regards,

Qantas Corporate Sales

Qantas Airways Limited
 
"The outbreak is a major test of China's system and capacity for governance, and we must sum up the experience and draw a lesson from it," Xi said, according to Xinhua.


So let's look at how you and your government have done, Mr. Xi:

“Substantively, the response this time is more or less the same,” said Minxin Pei, a professor of government at Claremont McKenna College in California. “Local officials downplayed the outbreak at the initial, but crucial, stage of the outbreak. The media was muzzled. The public was kept in the dark. As a result, valuable time was lost.”


“The thing about China is that they can mobilize agencies and resources faster than anybody else can,” said Richard McGregor, a senior fellow at the Lowy Institute in Sydney and author of “Xi Jinping: The Backlash.”

“The other side is that they can conceal things. In China there is no independent entity that can get on the front foot and disseminate information,” he added.


“It’s a paradox,” said Rong Jian, an independent scholar of Chinese politics in Beijing. “It’s precisely because Xi is so powerful that policy problems often arise — nobody dares disagree, and problems are spotted too late.”


“With this extraordinarily grim situation worsening and expanding by the day, those currently in office lack that commanding leadership,” the journalist, Zhang Ouya, wrote on Sina.com Weibo, a popular Chinese social media service.


“China is a much more decentralized place than it appears,” said David Cowhig, a former American diplomat who served 10 years in China and monitored health and science issues.

“Local officials have great discretion; China is a coalition of ‘little’ Big Brothers,” he said. “Xi realizes this and is trying to re-centralize China.”


“I think the central health authorities are trying to be more transparent,” said Yanzhong Huang, a senior fellow for global health at the Council on Foreign Relations who studies China, “but the local government remains loath to share disease related information in a timely and accurate manner.”


“The truth is in a public-health emergency, it’s not just the medical professionals who matter,” Mr. McGregor said. “It’s the management of it in the government and in the public that matters, too. It’s hard to argue that they’ve done that well.”


I'm reminded of this scripture:

"Even as the words were on his lips, a voice came from heaven, "This is what is decreed for you, King Nebuchadnezzar: Your royal authority has been taken from you. You will be driven away from people and will live with the wild animals; you will eat grass like the ox. Seven times will pass by for you until you acknowledge that the Most High is sovereign over all kingdoms on earth and gives them to anyone he wishes.""

If Xi wants to learn anything from this debacle, it's that it's better to be loved than to be feared, and that he's gone far too down the second path.
 
It's quite funny to me how China has gotten itself placed on the government's Do Not Travel list for a disease with a 2% mortality rate.

Iran isn't even on the Do Not Travel list. Iran!
 
Schulzenfest said:
It's quite funny to me how China has gotten itself placed on the government's Do Not Travel list for a disease with a 2% mortality rate.

Iran isn't even on the Do Not Travel list. Iran!
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I’ve always felt that Australia would be the most vicious country if we faced a genuine quarantine situation and moving people to the island prisons for safety really confirms that.

Sick people will lose their apparent humanity so quickly.
 
Schulzenfest said:
It's quite funny to me how China has gotten itself placed on the government's Do Not Travel list for a disease with a 2% mortality rate.

Iran isn't even on the Do Not Travel list. Iran!
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