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It's an interesting topic as I doubt too many kids would prefer to move interstate and the thought of remaining home would be a plus in their thinking.
What would Clubs prefer the kids to say?
Genuine question would they rather the kids say the right thing that they will move and accept the challenge OR say that they would be a flight risk.
Did the Club that you work for mark him down on being a flight risk ?
Agree you have an unusual skill set, do you see it becoming the norm that Clubs have peeps like yourself assess body language and voice pitch to assess prospective talent come draft time.
I dare say Andrew Gaff would have wanted to remain in Melbourne, yet he has been a very loyal player to West Coast.
For all the WA & SA kids that get drafted I reckon more stay where they are drafted that request a move back home.
That said I think the player power on where they will play is changing and now the power is well and truely in the players hands....I also suspect that it's a trend thats going to get worse.
I reckon the bulk of the SA and WA kids stay put interstate as there's a low probability from the outset that they'll get to enjoy a long career in their home state. From Juniors they'd be accepting the likelihood that if they want a career in AFL they might need to move for it.
Vics are a lot different to that. The whole way through there's a pretty strong chance they don't need to leave home, and if they do it's far easier to facilitate a move back due to the volume of clubs there.
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Did you all miss Hewett saying he’s an Inside Bull?
Sign him up immediately!!
Sign him up immediately!!
Like Ashcroft, Hewett finished school last year and has been playing with men for most of 2022. That said, he showed a load of maturity and leadership when he and his cousin did the number on Angus Sheldrick in the 2021 Cots GF and he was still at school then.
I hope we do not run the gauntlet and hope he slides to 20. I personally doubt it but in this draft, a player rated in the mid teens could easily slip through to us at 20. Is there substance to him being a knob at Guildford? Will it mean he slides? 12 is not too early so be done with and pick him. I hope we have learnt from the approach with Tim Kelly and got too smart picking 2 talls first and hoping he slid.
As many others have commented, he is exactly the player we are missing on our list.
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Notte everyone.
Yes I do think clubs will be doing it more if they can find someone and fit it under the soft cap. They aren't going to get a full-time psychoanalyst with a football background to do the job. It would cost the same amount as the entire recruiting department discounting the head recruiter.
Of all the WA players interviewed he was the only one with negative triggers in this manner.
Im not going to mention names but a couple of SA players had similar ticks and or subconscious reactions.
Even interviewing Vic players we still ask the moving interstate question as it works as a good baseline for body language and how they respond to other questions.
Just looking at the Rookie Me Central power rankings, ust taking the rankings and how they line up with our picks, we have great options.
Pick 8 - the choice of Phillipou, Jefferson, Busslinger or Ginbey
Pick 12 - the choice of Hollands, Hewett, Konstanty Hayes or Hotton
Pick 20 - the choice of Barnett, Weddle, Allan, Keeler or Burgiel
Pick 26 - the choice of Szybkowski, Clarke, J Ryan or Gruzeski
At 8, Jefferson is the only pick I would not want but you could not knock the Pieman for locking up a KPF when he can get 2 or 3 mids in the next picks
At 12, happy with Hollands, Hewett or Hotton (Hayes is quality and could work if we have Phillipoy at 8 and Burgiel at 20)
At 20 - Ok with Barnett unless we go a tall at 12 and happy with Weddle or Burgiel as best available
at 26 - Clarke if we have 2 mids or otherwise Szybkowski
So using an independent and pretty well thought through ranking, it shows that we just turn up to draft night with an open mind.
Pick 8 - the choice of Phillipou, Jefferson, Busslinger or Ginbey
Pick 12 - the choice of Hollands, Hewett, Konstanty Hayes or Hotton
Pick 20 - the choice of Barnett, Weddle, Allan, Keeler or Burgiel
Pick 26 - the choice of Szybkowski, Clarke, J Ryan or Gruzeski
At 8, Jefferson is the only pick I would not want but you could not knock the Pieman for locking up a KPF when he can get 2 or 3 mids in the next picks
At 12, happy with Hollands, Hewett or Hotton (Hayes is quality and could work if we have Phillipoy at 8 and Burgiel at 20)
At 20 - Ok with Barnett unless we go a tall at 12 and happy with Weddle or Burgiel as best available
at 26 - Clarke if we have 2 mids or otherwise Szybkowski
So using an independent and pretty well thought through ranking, it shows that we just turn up to draft night with an open mind.
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Could be worse, he could be a massive Birds of Tokyo fan
Clearly a psychopath.
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Nah they don't send invitations to the vic metro boys the afl just tells them when they tuck them in for bed and give them their blanky
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Who is number 1 next year is still up in the air, but Harley Reid, Zac Duursma and Ashton Moir have the early running. Archie Reid to me was the stand out in the carnival this year and if we had retained pick 2, I would have been very happy to take him there, even as a bottom ager. Vic Country should be well represented in the first round next year hopefully meaning less of a mummy's boy approach to moving interstate.
When posters start thinking about selling and moving up the draft board this year, I thought it worthwhile to whet the appetites and help understand why we might be happy banking picks/points for 2023, I thought I would share 4 top WA prospects who are all expected to be first rounders.
1. Daniel Curtain - Claremont
KPP at 195 cm.
He can genuinely play both ends so don't get caught thinking he is CHB only.
A top performer at representative level over the last two years, shining for Western Australia's Under 17 side and in the recent Futures showcase. He was best afield in the latter game, showcasing his poise in possession and sound intercept marking down back. Can also swing forward.
Would make an ideal partner for Oscar Allen
2. Mitch Edwards - Peel
Ruck at 205 cm
One of the top rucks for next year at this early stage, Edwards has established himself at high levels in 2022. He played up as a bottom-ager for Western Australia, and formed a terrific tall partnership with Jackson Broadbent in Peel Thunder's Colts premiership team. Moves well for his size with huge upside
3. Riley Hardman - Swan Districts
Outside midfielder at 185 cm
Hardeman is an absolute ball magnet on the outside. Whether it be on the wing or off half-back, the Swan Districts standout loves to break the lines with his speed-endurance blend. Though a touch light-on, he has already cracked the Reserves.
4. Koltyn Tholstrup - Subiaco
Forward at 188 cm
A super dynamic and flashy utility who looks most damaging in the forward half. He also lets his footy do the talking,
possessing explosive athleticism and good skills as a primary forward who can impact through the middle of the ground. When it comes to the modern day forward, Tholstrup is ideal in his contest, tackling, reading of the play and explosiveness out of contest.
Remember, we have another excellent draft hand both un 2022 and in 2023. We are holding all of our future picks plys Ports R2 and R3.
I would be prepared to look at trades this draft that bagged us a future 1.
Example:
1. Sydney deal for Humphreys. Humphreys is still on the table at 8 and Sydney come knocking. I would look at giving up 8 and Ports F2 for their pick 14 and Sydney's R1. We could likely still get 2 of Hotton, Hewett and Hollands at 12 and 14. Hell, even Busslinger might still be there at 12 and we add Burgiel at 20. Alternatively I'd look at giving up 8 and 26 for 14 and future Sydney R1. One less good pick this year but 2 R1's in 2023 and still enough points to buy pick 4 in 2023 (hi Suns) meaning 3 x R1 next year..
2. The other Sydney (GWS) deal for Humphreys. Similar deal to Sydney and I would expect the GWS R1 in 2023 to be much better than Sydney's. Pick 8 and future Port R2 for 15 and GWS future R1. GWS have Richmond's Future R1 and I would probably offer 8 and our future R3 for 15 and Tigers Future R1
I will post closer to the draft the players I expect there will be offers for if still on the board at 8 and again at 12. Humphreys and Tsatas are two that could garner offers.
When posters start thinking about selling and moving up the draft board this year, I thought it worthwhile to whet the appetites and help understand why we might be happy banking picks/points for 2023, I thought I would share 4 top WA prospects who are all expected to be first rounders.
1. Daniel Curtain - Claremont
KPP at 195 cm.
He can genuinely play both ends so don't get caught thinking he is CHB only.
A top performer at representative level over the last two years, shining for Western Australia's Under 17 side and in the recent Futures showcase. He was best afield in the latter game, showcasing his poise in possession and sound intercept marking down back. Can also swing forward.
Would make an ideal partner for Oscar Allen
2. Mitch Edwards - Peel
Ruck at 205 cm
One of the top rucks for next year at this early stage, Edwards has established himself at high levels in 2022. He played up as a bottom-ager for Western Australia, and formed a terrific tall partnership with Jackson Broadbent in Peel Thunder's Colts premiership team. Moves well for his size with huge upside
3. Riley Hardman - Swan Districts
Outside midfielder at 185 cm
Hardeman is an absolute ball magnet on the outside. Whether it be on the wing or off half-back, the Swan Districts standout loves to break the lines with his speed-endurance blend. Though a touch light-on, he has already cracked the Reserves.
4. Koltyn Tholstrup - Subiaco
Forward at 188 cm
A super dynamic and flashy utility who looks most damaging in the forward half. He also lets his footy do the talking,
possessing explosive athleticism and good skills as a primary forward who can impact through the middle of the ground. When it comes to the modern day forward, Tholstrup is ideal in his contest, tackling, reading of the play and explosiveness out of contest.
Remember, we have another excellent draft hand both un 2022 and in 2023. We are holding all of our future picks plys Ports R2 and R3.
I would be prepared to look at trades this draft that bagged us a future 1.
Example:
1. Sydney deal for Humphreys. Humphreys is still on the table at 8 and Sydney come knocking. I would look at giving up 8 and Ports F2 for their pick 14 and Sydney's R1. We could likely still get 2 of Hotton, Hewett and Hollands at 12 and 14. Hell, even Busslinger might still be there at 12 and we add Burgiel at 20. Alternatively I'd look at giving up 8 and 26 for 14 and future Sydney R1. One less good pick this year but 2 R1's in 2023 and still enough points to buy pick 4 in 2023 (hi Suns) meaning 3 x R1 next year..
2. The other Sydney (GWS) deal for Humphreys. Similar deal to Sydney and I would expect the GWS R1 in 2023 to be much better than Sydney's. Pick 8 and future Port R2 for 15 and GWS future R1. GWS have Richmond's Future R1 and I would probably offer 8 and our future R3 for 15 and Tigers Future R1
I will post closer to the draft the players I expect there will be offers for if still on the board at 8 and again at 12. Humphreys and Tsatas are two that could garner offers.
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Just on top of this the top end of next years draft has so many key areas of need for us and top prospects. If we do have another really down year next year I would be happily trading our 2024 first rounder in next years draft. GC will likely need 6000 odd points by reckoning next year to match bids. Say we finish 15th, our 2 seconds and 2 thirds next year could get GC first pick. If we finish stone cold last then agreeing not to bid on any of their prospects we could potentially get it done with 1 second and 2 thirds, particularly if GC finish say 10th. For a team with multiple first rounders next year our 2024 first could quite well get us another pick in the 4-6 mark.
We could get potentially get genuine A grade mid/forward, KPF and Ruck all in one fell swoop.
Harley - now corrected
I'd prefer Kaleb Smith or Jack Cleaver, but Hagan as a rookie would be OK. With his illness and injuries, it will be interesting to see how far Sam Gilbey slides.
Nothing wrong with Birds of Tokyo
Just never should have been let anywhere near the team song.
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Incorrect. Nothing wrong with old Birds of Tokyo. New Birds of Tokyo is bland and inoffensive or, in the case of our team song, highly offensive.
I would have no problems selling our 2024 R1 to get another R1 in 2023.
When you look at the potential R1 prospects that are F/S or Academy, the Suns stand out with 3 early academy prospects:
Jed Walters KPF tipped as top 10, possibly top 5
Ethan Read ruck around the 10 to 15 mark
Jake Rogers midfield/utility late R1 to mid R2
These three alone would require around 4,000 points so Suns will be selling. Who knows, they have their own R1 and may lose another prospect like they did with Rankine and gain another R1. Mind you, there will be a decent premium to be paid as we will not be the only club trying to buy.
GWS, Melbourne and Norf are clubs holding multiple R1 in 2023. Will GWS get more in losing additional talent? Demons have typically sold their future first but given the list build, could they be possible sellers? I cannot see Norf delaying.
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