List Mgmt. Christmas comes early (Nov 28 - 19 sleeps) - Draftee discussion

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Link to draft picks held by each club

 

[ArdentEagle]

Errol Gulden was an academy player so no one missed out on him. Sydney just got him cheaper than they should have because clubs didn’t bid on him early enough

Didn't Geelong bid on him at 32 anyway mate? Would have had to have been inside top 20 otherwise?
He only went 32 due to height. Would have gone 1st round if 183+ if recon.

 

[FKASC]

Watched Meek on the weekend, he probably just shaded his opponent, Taps were even, Meek had a few more disposals, didn't see anything that screamed AFL player.
Admittedly only a sample of one game.

I thought he looked pretty good in a preseason game last year (?). He seems solid but worried about his lack of development after five years in the system. Wouldn’t mind getting him but would like to preserve 38 if possible

 

[MrWoollie]

What has become so evident this year is that the successful teams play at pace. The speed of ball movement is at another level and there is also the complete team pressure that forces errors and turnovers.

100%.

And all the rule changes of the past 5 years or so have only made it more so.

6/6/6 - move it fast and get it to the open forward line before the defence can reset or be bolstered.
Stand the Mark - Please run off and get the ball moving.
Kick in changes - please run to 30 out and unload the big kick.

and so on.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Didn't Geelong bid on him at 32 anyway mate? Would have had to have been inside top 20 otherwise?
He only went 32 due to height. Would have gone 1st round if 183+ if recon.

Think Sydney were fortunate his senior year was covid impacted as he drifted.
Was very good as an underager, I was shocked he went late.

 

[dinnaz]

So he’s basically a younger version of Sean Darcy.

If you’re all so invested in another ruck, probable questions should be;

Is xxxx potentially better than Jamo and Williams? Does he project better long term.

How soon could he be playing AFL football?

Nah Darcy was always a big lump of a lad. Broadbent isn't as stocky though he isn't stick thin.
Jamo is more athletic especially around the contest but that has translated to SFA in reality. Williams has the jump and marking and is a mixed fwd/ruck.

Broadbent has always projected to be superior, just how good is the question. Will he be a complete bust?(Unlikely), 50 game depth (Andrew Phillips) 100-150 game battlers (Bellchambers),(Lycett), or a mainstay top 5 ruck in the comp(unlikely)
With alow bar set I reckon he could play for us next year and give the same output as Jamieson did. But be holding his own in 4 seasons.
Williams/Jamieson are up to year 5 and barely crack a spot in comparison.

 

[WCE_phil]

Broadbent is basically the same player now as he was 2 years ago, hence the drop outside of his 1 fantastic game against Collingwood VFL. He has grown maybe 1cm. Has never been a jumper.

Great skills and gets around the ground, athletically limited.

If we have the list positions and he is there as a late pick I would draft broadbent still, but I would then draft Max Knobel with our first rookie pick (I'd probably pick him before broadbent now). I think one out of the two becomes a clubs number 1 ruckman in time. Knobel is now at least 206cm.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Think Sydney were fortunate his senior year was covid impacted as he drifted.
Was very good as an underager, I was shocked he went late.

No. It was height!!!

 

[dinnaz]

If we have the list positions and he is there as a late pick I would draft broadbent still, but I would then draft Max Knobel with our first rookie pick (I'd probably pick him before broadbent now). I think one out of the two becomes a clubs number 1 ruckman in time. Knobel is now at least 206cm.

Max Knob = The next Alex Mirkov, Robert Warnock at best. Hitout platforms but thats about it.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Think Sydney were fortunate his senior year was covid impacted as he drifted.
Was very good as an underager, I was shocked he went late.

Sydney have a decent history of parking their top academy talent in their draft year. Mills for example barely played as they’d seen enough and tried to tank his value

 

[WCE1698]

Ideal trade/draft period imo

Pass on Jackson: Not worth spending our draft capital on one player, the list is in dire need of lots of young talent.

Pass on Meek: Awkward trade value, don't think he can play with NN, can't see him being happy as a back up.

Trade Rioli for a 2nd rounder: Blessing in disguise to be honest

Trade the Rioli pick or pick 26 for Jeremy Sharp: Sharp would address one our biggest weaknesses, pace and run. Represents opportunistic value as well not being regular best 22 at Gold Coast.

Draft

2: Wardlaw - Warlord

20: Hustwaite - Midfielder/Halfback looks to have very good skills and a good decision maker

26: Harry Barnett - Mobile ruckman, good skills. Size is a concern hopefully he develops good forward craft as well.

38: Sam Gilbey - Hopefully he slides due to injury.

Potential Rookie picks:

Harry Cole, Jordyn Baker (NGA) Dewar (NGA)

Potential PSD

Tyler Brockman - out of contract, his first year was impressive.

Potentially 8-9 players in. I'd be more than happy to see 8 or 9 of our current players go if possible.

 

[WCEswift]

Ideal trade/draft period imo

Pass on Jackson: Not worth spending our draft capital on one player, the list is in dire need of lots of young talent.

Pass on Meek: Awkward trade value, don't think he can play with NN, can't see him being happy as a back up.

Trade Rioli for a 2nd rounder: Blessing in disguise to be honest

Trade the Rioli pick or pick 26 for Jeremy Sharp: Sharp would address one our biggest weaknesses, pace and run. Represents opportunistic value as well not being regular best 22 at Gold Coast.

Draft

2: Wardlaw - Warlord

20: Hustwaite - Midfielder/Halfback looks to have very good skills and a good decision maker

26: Harry Barnett - Mobile ruckman, good skills. Size is a concern hopefully he develops good forward craft as well.

38: Sam Gilbey - Hopefully he slides due to injury.

Potential Rookie picks:

Harry Cole, Jordyn Baker (NGA) Dewar (NGA)

Potential PSD

Tyler Brockman - out of contract, his first year was impressive.

Potentially 8-9 players in. I'd be more than happy to see 8 or 9 of our current players go if possible.

Jez Mclennan as a DFA wouldnt be bad. medium size interceptor, great foot skills similar player to sheppard

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Who is Johnson?

Jones - damn fat football fingers combined with autocorrect

 

[WCEswift]

Im back in the split 2 and something for 2 top 10s. Just the thought of Phillipou and Hewett, i can see them easily out producing whoever we pick at 2

 

[WCE_phil]

Max Knob = The next Alex Mirkov, Robert Warnock at best. Hitout platforms but thats about it.

I've watched him quite a lot, he has a lot to work on but has a much higher ceiling than most. The exact type that's perfect for a rookie list and development. Has great size and athleticism. Needs to work on his ruck craft and all round game but I can't think of a better place to do that than under Nicnat. He also has a reach advantage in regards to his arms for his height so will play taller than he is. Can we develop that into a fully fledged ruck, maybe. But he's a great prospect for a late pick.

 

[WCE_phil]

Jez Mclennan as a DFA wouldnt be bad. medium size interceptor, great foot skills similar player to sheppard

I loved him in his draft year but really hasn't come on. Like so many picks between 20-30 he just looks to be one of the 50% who doesn't make it.

 

[maverick001]

100%.

And all the rule changes of the past 5 years or so have only made it more so.

6/6/6 - move it fast and get it to the open forward line before the defence can reset or be bolstered.
Stand the Mark - Please run off and get the ball moving.
Kick in changes - please run to 30 out and unload the big kick.

and so on.

Elijah Tsatas come on down

 

[maverick001]

I'd like to be a fly on the wall when ROB asks the S&C team: "So we think we can get Wardlaw's hammy's right?". Given their recent track record, I'd imagine this makes the S&C team very very jumpy.

 

[maverick001]

Ideal draft for me:
Pick 2 - Wardlaw, Tsatas
Pick 20 - Syzbowski, Hustwaite, Hotton, Hollands or anyone beginning with H (I imagine Ginbey is probably unrealistic here)
Pick 26 - Jakob Ryan
Pick 27 - (Amon compo for Rioli) - Scully or a ruckman
Pick 38 - D.Jones, K.Smith

Might be a touch optimistic but that's the point of these right.

 

[MrWoollie]

Ideal draft for me:
Pick 2 - Wardlaw, Tsatas
Pick 20 - Syzbowski, Hustwaite, Hotton, Hollands or anyone beginning with H (I imagine Ginbey is probably unrealistic here)
Pick 26 - Jakob Ryan
Pick 27 - (Amon compo for Rioli) - Scully or a ruckman
Pick 38 - D.Jones, K.Smith

Might be a touch optimistic but that's the point of these right.

Alas, Smith and Jones are unlikely to still be there at that pick.

 

[Opposite Kids]

For all the talk about mids…I feel like we are going to take Cadman. Besides the ball drop and inaccurate kicking been mentioned on here - would it be a bad pick?

 

[ArdentEagle]

I am really coming around to Kobe Ryan. Great sign he can keep lifting to the level.
Thanks WCE_phil for the heads up on this one.

Apart from raw starts and constancy of performance, does have have any outstanding traits/skills that'll translate well into the next evolution of game style?

I still really like Jones too.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

For all the talk about mids…I feel like we are going to take Cadman. Besides the ball drop and inaccurate kicking been mentioned on here - would it be a bad pick?

Would a forward who can't kick be a bad pick at 2?

 

[dinnaz]

Would a forward who can't kick be a bad pick at 2?

Buddy takes 10 shots for an average of 3 goals a game

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Buddy takes 10 shots for an average of 3 goals a game

My take on Cadman is that he is not dissimilar to Amiss. Not white the dick deadeye but gets a bit more of it up higher.

Not your clunking KPF - more your lead up KPF.

I'd say that if Amiss was in this year's draft, he and Cadman would go at a similar level. This somewhat demonstrated my comments about the lack of pointy end stars. Jye was taken at 8 and there were 4 stand outs at the front of the draft - Cadman only has 1 stand out at the front of the draft and likely to go 2 to 5.

 

[dinnaz]

I've watched him quite a lot, he has a lot to work on but has a much higher ceiling than most. The exact type that's perfect for a rookie list and development. Has great size and athleticism. Needs to work on his ruck craft and all round game but I can't think of a better place to do that than under Nicnat. He also has a reach advantage in regards to his arms for his height so will play taller than he is. Can we develop that into a fully fledged ruck, maybe. But he's a great prospect for a late pick.

Agreed that the first time I saw his leap I was like wow! Mistimed and everything was pretty cool to watch go at it.
My biggest concern is that you're getting nothing else out of him and likely takes a loooong time to be AFL ready. 6 years? In that timeframe you can likely find a better prospect.

If we were to rookie anyone i'd go after
Olivier Northam (Geelong Falcons) as a Key Fwd/Pinch Ruck. Upgrade on J.Williams
Will Verrall (South Adelaide)