List Mgmt. Christmas comes early (Nov 28 - 19 sleeps) - Draftee discussion

[Keys]

Link to draft picks held by each club

 

[Avalor]

Gold Coast would not do that, they have academy kids next year so our first would just likely be spent on points, they can get points in other ways, they’d want to use their high end picks this year.

Also, I’m not sure why anyone wants us to trade our future 1st unless it’s for a godfather deal, next years draft is genuinely loaded - yes I’m aware they say that most years, but trust me, there is some elite talent next year.

We do not need to rush this rebuild, being patient and calculated is the way to go. We’ve got enough draft capital with our 2nd, Port’s 2nd, 38 and whatever we get for Rioli + our future 2nd if we really want to move up for another first as well.

Gold Coast would not do that, they have academy kids next year .... As do we, our NGA kid Coen Livingstone, we will need points for him next season too, so we can't be parting with future selections either.

 

[Westcoast88]

I went back through this thread

Took 30 seconds to put “Freeman” in the search function

Oh dear . That is some petty stuff right there detective keys.

 

[ChasingFlags25]

Gold Coast would not do that, they have academy kids next year .... As do we, our NGA kid Coen Livingstone, we will need points for him next season too, so we can't be parting with future selections either.

Coen Livingston….

Currently behind Curtin, Tholstrup, Kentfield and Edwards as talls for next year and that just from WA.

Do you think Coen is going to be top 40 next year?

 

[Keys]

Gold Coast would not do that, they have academy kids next year .... As do we, our NGA kid Coen Livingstone, we will need points for him next season too, so we can't be parting with future selections either.

Points won’t be an issue for Livingstone

It’ll be whether a club bids on him before pick 40 because if that happens we can’t match. Only the northern clubs can match academy bids at any point in the draft

We’d only have to come up with about 320 points at most

 

[dinnaz]

Phillipou is only 2 and half months older than Sheezel. Around 6 months older than Wardlaw. We talk about Phillipous dob as being some huge advantage when in reality he is not a whole year younger. So i think the dob point has been exaggerated. Id also point out Phillipou has not been exposed as frequently to the highest level competition like Sheezel, Ashcroft and wardlaw have. Phillipous stats are terrible in the sanfl seniors and medicore in the reserves. He has good stats in the SA under 18s but this is a much weaker comp. He played 1 good game against a pretty average allies team and 1 good quarter against against vic metro in the champs. You can claim he was playing hurt but I believe if you put your hand up then you take responsibility for your performances. I don't think Phillipous best body of work has come against the best competition and I think that adds risk. Sheezel and wardlaw on the other hand have dominated entire games against high level competitors, Phillipou has not done it frequently enough. 7-11 is fair imo taking into account potential and birth date. I'd say wardlaw and Sheezel look to be one touch players too and in their highlights packages they look a level above Phillipou to me.

Daicos was born Jan 3, Josh Sinn Jan 7, Darcy Wilmot Dec 31, I still don't see Wilmot outproducing Daicos2022 in 2023
If you're a good player it doesn't matter when you're born.
At most i'd allocate 5% of my overall scrutiny to a late year birthdate.

 

[Monocle]

Let’s see how he goes this weekend but I think he’s going to do very well at the combine and we may find it hard to pass up on him.

I am not sure that he is even playing, we will find out tomorrow night when the teams are announced.



But I agree with you, IF and its a BIG IF, the medical prognosis is all ok, he then is the perfect fit for us.


Tongue in check he also ticks a lot of The Pie Man & Co, must have boxes:

1. Preferable a Oakleigh Chargers or Sandringham Dragons player. Oakleigh.
2. Comes with injury concern in his draft year but has good bottom age form. By God King George fits this to a tee.
3. And most important, is a Private School Boy. St Kevins College.

 

[Westcoast88]

I am just not confident that we get offers pre draft and if Sheezel is taken by North then Busslinger is a very slight chance to get an offer, but my worry with that is that the add on to the first round drop back wont be that fancy.




I00 % agree and I would have no compunction pulling the trigger if he was there for our pick.




I really like what he would bring to our list as is a perfect fit for our needs.................just he hammies scare the sh1t out of me.



Again agree, as I have stated here many times there are three bust proof players in this cohort: Sheezel, Clark and Busslinger.

Clark wont become an elite player, but one aspect of his game where he is head and shoulders above any other mid in this cohort, is his two way running, it's outstanding, so when I couple work rate with consistency, thats why I have him rated as bust proof.

I don't see him as Duncan because he has greater production, although Duncan's best is better, he isn't consistent, if he had been he would have gone very close to winning a Brownlow, but he floats in and out of some game, plus he has been quite injury prone.

Busslinger is quality, he just plays in a position that is nowhere near the top of our priority list.





His kicking worries me also, and the pressure that he will be under at the next level ramps up significantly.




I worry about Keeler as he floats in and out of games and even in and out of quarters.
So much talent, but never seems switched on to me, for more that seven minutes at a time.




I am a Mackenzie fan and I think he has a lot of scope for improvement, his ceiling IMO is below Sheezel and Wardlaw, but he also offers more versatility in roles at this point in time.



I really hope so.



Interesting, I think from what I have seen of him play, he is over ratted and if he wasn't "the son of" .... he would't been talked about as going so highly.

I have seen the occasional flashes but I don't see that translating into a top 20 pick for me, hope I am wrong and that a bid comes.its matched, so that another player is pushed out to our two (hopefully three ) second round picks.

Wow you both just turned me off tsatas a bit. 2nd touch sh#t kicking. I think we have reached general consensus wardlaw or Sheezel.

 

[dinnaz]

Coen Livingston….

Currently behind Curtin, Tholstrup, Kentfield and Edwards as talls for next year and that just from WA.

Do you think Coen is going to be top 40 next year?

Everyone saying 2023 is going to be a superdraft but I dont see any generational talents in 2023. Players that are so good this year they would be top 5 as underagers. As usual we will have to wait and see.

Tholstrup isnt a tall, but hes a good size who can play mid as well
Edwards and Livingstone are ahead of the curve but like Broadbent could stall in development.

 

[dinnaz]

1. Preferable a Oakleigh Chargers or Sandringham Dragons player. Oakleigh.
3. And most important, is a Private School Boy. St Kevins College.

Give be some Beau Waters assassin any day

 

[ChasingFlags25]

Everyone saying 2023 is going to be a superdraft but I dont see any generational talents in 2023. Players that are so good this year they would be top 5 as underagers. As usual we will have to wait and see.

Tholstrup isnt a tall, but hes a good size who can play mid as well
Edwards and Livingstone are ahead of the curve but like Broadbent could stall in development.

Sorry, I’m definitely not sprooking 2023 draft. To be frank I’m over everyone rating it so high. I like players in this draft and would be happy to see us trade our future 1st to get another this year.

I’ve watched all of Tholstrup games this year and some live at the ground.
He is not a tall forward you are right. He’s 100% not an inside mid either!
He is a general forward that can take a good pack mark, desperate with effort always and looks best on the wing.

He is a Chris Mayne 2.0

 

[ChasingFlags25]

Everyone saying 2023 is going to be a superdraft but I dont see any generational talents in 2023. Players that are so good this year they would be top 5 as underagers. As usual we will have to wait and see.

Tholstrup isnt a tall, but hes a good size who can play mid as well
Edwards and Livingstone are ahead of the curve but like Broadbent could stall in development.

And Broadbent….is a pass for me

 

[Cuzz09]

Have we ever had a George?



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[WCE_phil]

Gold Coast would not do that, they have academy kids next year .... As do we, our NGA kid Coen Livingstone, we will need points for him next season too, so we can't be parting with future selections either.

At this stage we've got a better chance of getting kicked to death by a snake than getting Livingstone. Would be shocked if he made it past pick 40 on what he's shown so far.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Jett Sibosado, I think in the Dockers NGA squad, is the most talented kid I’ve seen come through Broome junior footy, going to scotch in Perth now. Does amazing things on the field, hard working and a really good kid, got named in the PSA schools all star team, eligible in next years draft.
Coached him for a couple of years, would love to see him end up in Blue and Yellow.

 

[TerryFilk]

Everyone saying 2023 is going to be a superdraft but I dont see any generational talents in 2023. Players that are so good this year they would be top 5 as underagers. As usual we will have to wait and see.

Tholstrup isnt a tall, but hes a good size who can play mid as well
Edwards and Livingstone are ahead of the curve but like Broadbent could stall in development.

Ashton Moir and Harley Reid are freaks

 

[dinnaz]

Ashton Moir and Harley Reid are freaks

Very good yep! Still have them just behind behind Walsh and Smith as jrs as the gold standard

 

[Obeanie1]

Gold Coast would not do that, they have academy kids next year .... As do we, our NGA kid Coen Livingstone, we will need points for him next season too, so we can't be parting with future selections either.

We wont be paying for any bids under pick 40 because we arent allowed to match any bids under 40.

We dont get the same access and leg up others do.

 

[Obeanie1]

And Broadbent….is a pass for me

Why?

He has slipped nicely and would be a good project player to use a late pick on.

 

[Goldfish]

At this stage trade back.

Sheezel is the obvious choice. I've spent the past 4 weeks in Melbourne and I think he requests a trade end of first year if we draft him. So there's that.

If Wardlaw can test at the combine at full force then Wardlaw. As of now i'd take the risk.

Safest pick is Busslinger followed by Clark. I just don't see Clark projecting into becoming an elite player however he will get every inch out of his talent. Maybe a Mitch Duncan level player imo. Busslinger isn't a need.

On talent I still have it Wardlaw, Sheezel, Keeler on pure talent but I wouldn't pick keeler before our third pick unless every single one of the potential mids i'm interested in are gone.

Tsatas is a second touch player who struggles with kicking under pressure and at speed. Gets a * load of the ball though and makes good decisions. A faster, less accurate Jack Macrae. Off my list

Cadman including OOF stats and shorts that didn't make the distance / rushed kicked at under 50% at goal this year. Off the list even if there at 20. In contested situations his ball drop to his foot and field kicking isn't great. To me he's more the big bodied contested mid and great mark who can kick goals but thats a big ******* risk with his disposal. If we had Paul Salmon in the goal square sure.

I like back injuries (particularly if you've seen him try to bend down and reach for the ball since) in juniors about as much as people liked Aids in the 80's. I'm worried about Philippou.

Hewett is too laconic for my tastes and I don't see the hardness to break a tag. His best is unreal but he's almost as much of a tease as Keeler.

Making the assumption that Wardlaw's hamstrings aren't ok.

Mackenzie. Needs more consistency but unlike Hewett I can see that competitive edge. (we'll see how he goes this weekend, if he plays a full game like he played the first half last weekend I'd take him at pick 2 without any of the above reservations)

I think there will be offers. Particularly if AFL grant North and end of first round pick and north get logue through to the PSD. 2 and 38 for 3 and 23 has probably already been discussed depending on who is taken at pick 1.

Talk i've heard is that Davey due to lack of similar players will be bid on before pick 23.

Great write up! Appreciate your efforts.

Any thoughts on Reuben Ginbey? On the Coast to Coast podcast Allen and Brayshaw had him as best WA talent as a mid/hbf...

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[Eastcoasteagle]

I am not sure that he is even playing, we will find out tomorrow night when the teams are announced.



But I agree with you, IF and its a BIG IF, the medical prognosis is all ok, he then is the perfect fit for us.


Tongue in check he also ticks a lot of The Pie Man & Co, must have boxes:

1. Preferable a Oakleigh Chargers or Sandringham Dragons player. Oakleigh.
2. Comes with injury concern in his draft year but has good bottom age form. By God King George fits this to a tee.
3. And most important, is a Private School Boy. St Kevins College.

I can vouch for St Kevins boys being legends!!!

 

[Obeanie1]

Definitely don’t see him getting past Port

Also, whilst 2 would be a minor reach for Phillipou, I still maintain my opinion that he has the highest ceiling of any prospect in this draft, what he can do at his size is not easy to come by, he’s the perfect elite prototype for todays game.

Would picking him be riskier than picking others, sure, but it’s a risk I’d consider

Agreed.

What could change is pick 8 and Pickett.

Port have missed out on Dunkley and have now shifted to Pickett. He would cost pick 8. Not likely but stranger things have happened.

Phillapou at 2 > 3 may be seen as a stretch but I would do it if we can't trade down to 5 or 6. Wardlaw's hammies are too big a risk IMO, imagine our best pick in 10 years being an injury bust.

Sheezel looks pretty good but he's a classy half forward / mid and with go home risks. So two reasons to stop and think. Do we really draft Sheezel as a corner stone for a rebuild? His type is what we draft in 2024 after we have got the remaining key players drafted.

Phillapou I can see being a major piece of our rebuild.

Also Busslinger. People say he isn't an immediate need but let's just fast forward 3 years. Barrass will be 29, Gov retired and Edwards will be how good? Bazzo and Busslinger would hold the KP backline together for 10 years.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Ashton Moir and Harley Reid are freaks

Add Archer Reid to that list, his performance in the prelim was simply awesome for a key forward.

Tassie and Dandenong have a heap of young fellas for next year that look seriously good;

Tassie:
McKercher, has pace and great ball use. Perfect mid for us.
Callinghan, small forward with serious skill and nous.
Schoenmaker, tall rebounding defender with a good left foot.
Beaumont, absolute warrior but a bit short. Hopefully grows.

Dandy
Shipp, is Young at Freo 2.0.
Simpson, small mid forward with great skills.
Frangalas, taller mid/fwd
Nelson, De Mattia and De La Rue all showed plenty too.

I actually can't recall a year when so many of the underagers were playing in prelims and to a very high level!!!
If the recruiters are already rating next years draft, its because there is runs on the board with this younger cohort and they're already showing plenty.

Perhaps last season, rating Hewett and Broadbent was overrated because they only played SA! We never saw them vs the Vic sides which is the real test.

 

[ChasingFlags25]

Why?

He has slipped nicely and would be a good project player to use a late pick on.

Without being to critical, he lacks the key strengths of being a ruckman.

His strengths are his kicking and for a 200cm player, he’s good also below his knees. Both not typically strengths of a ruck.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

By people you mean people on the forums though. No draft boards outside of knightmares have him top 5. I agree he deserves to be 7-11 ,range based on his potential but it's not enough to have him top 5 and I highly doubt he gets picked in top 5 because he hasn't shown enough imo. Time will tell

Correct forums like these. I think 7-11 is about right for him, as others have shown more too date. But come draft night, there is a variable; recruiters rating a player on future development. Kai Lohmann was one last year I recall people had about 25-40 on boards and went in the first round purely because of him being a glass half full.

I really like him as I do think he's got all the traits, and could really flourish in the system. I've said all season, I'd take Sheezel at pick 2. To take Phillipou, I wouldn't at 2 I would trade back.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Wardlaw actually looks very (prime) Shuey in the highlights I can find. Better mark though.