List Mgmt. Christmas comes early (Nov 28 - 19 sleeps) - Draftee discussion

[Keys]

Link to draft picks held by each club

 

[Schtinker]

18/10/04
187cm/80kg
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
Midfielder
August ranking: 3

Tsatas missed Vic Metro's mid-year games with a foot fracture but came back last week for his first game at the level and collected 30 disposals and five clearances. The Oakleigh Chargers prospect had an excellent return to the field after his injury, putting in some commanding performances at NAB League level, including a best-afield display against Sandringham when he had 38 disposals and 13 inside-50s. He had 34 disposals and a goal in his side's wildcard round loss to Bendigo as well. An inside-outside midfielder with dash and quality.

194cm/84kg
20/7/04
Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country
Midfielder
August ranking: 15

Hustwaite will be an interesting player for clubs given his skillset and size. A growth spurt saw Hustwaite shoot up in height and become a tall midfield option, and he averaged 23 disposals for the Stingrays this season. His kicking for a player his height is really good and Hustwaite can play in a number of positions as well, including a flank or wing.

 

[CountryLad]

I only want Cadman if we think we can fix his goalkicking, it's supposedly diabolical... Pick 2 is a lot to pay for a forward who can't kick.

His kicking is not diabolical…. He’s not the most accurate shot kicked 34.23 in Nab league that’s not far off AFL ave accuracy. If you ever get a chance to watch his highlights he’s a left footer that can bang em through from 50 pretty easily.

He’s been compared as Casboult 2.0 but that’s bullshit .

 

[Goldfish]

His kicking is not diabolical…. He’s not the most accurate shot kicked 34.23 in Nab league that’s not far off AFL ave accuracy. If you ever get a chance to watch his highlights he’s a left footer that can bang em through from 50 pretty easily.

He’s been compared as Casboult 2.0 but that’s bullshit .

Ok, good to hear. I know a recruiter for another club and they've said he's "very very good but a shocking shot at goal" so was just going on his view.

 

[MaxHunt]

Ok, good to hear. I know a recruiter for another club and they've said he's "very very good but a shocking shot at goal" so was just going on his view.

yeah, I would compare him more to John Butcher than a Casbolt.

 

[ChasingFlags25]

I only want Cadman if we think we can fix his goalkicking, it's supposedly diabolical... Pick 2 is a lot to pay for a forward who can't kick.

Last viewing of Cadman in the vic metro vs vic country championship decider, his kicking looked fine!

Kicking the first for the game from memory, a set shot from 45m, his second goal was a snap in contested open play.

He missed a set shot in the last quarter that would have put VIC metro in front (I paid particular interest in this set shot as it had the game riding on it, he missed and I thought to myself the pressure got to him). 5 minutes later me marks again has a set shot from 40m and nails the winning goal to put his team in front. I was impressed, and believe his goal kicking average will be league standard.

Finished with 3 goals 2 behinds. This is how I remember the game, happy to be debated otherwise.

 

[JDWCE]

His kicking is not diabolical…. He’s not the most accurate shot kicked 34.23 in Nab league that’s not far off AFL ave accuracy. If you ever get a chance to watch his highlights he’s a left footer that can bang em through from 50 pretty easily.

He’s been compared as Casboult 2.0 but that’s bullshit .

I'm guessing 34.23 doesn't take into account all his out on the full kicks

 

[CountryLad]

Ok, good to hear. I know a recruiter for another club and they've said he's "very very good but a shocking shot at goal" so was just going on his view.

I think shocking or diabolical are too strong. I’d just say it’s not great and probably needs a little work.
He can play not that I’m saying we should recruit him either….. it’s just that the pieman will

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

We've been blessed with a successful, accurate team for so long. If Cadman comes in while we're shite and sprays them, he'll become Chief Whipping Boy before you can say gee.

 

[CountryLad]

We've been blessed with a successful, accurate team for so long. If Cadman comes in while we're shite and sprays them, he'll become Chief Whipping Boy before you can say gee.

Yep you could be right someone is going to have to take the mantle from Nelson.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Definitely don’t want Jon Butcher

 

[UseR2006]

Sheezle on Trade radio just said Hawks and GWS spoke to him twice.
Open to going anywhere..

** Edit: Just also mentioned would prefer to stay in vic but ok either way.

 

[shooshka]

If we were to keep 2 I’m torn about Wardlaw or Cadman. On one hand I see the benefit of drafting a CHF this year on the other we need match winning midfielders.

If we get Cadman I feel we’re better off packaging 2 of our seconds or a second and third for another pick in the teens to get a midfielder in Hewett, Ginbey or whoever else is there.

If we get Wardlaw at 2 are there any KPP of value in the second round? Do we take the punt on Keeler at 20?

Disclaimer I don’t watch draft, just going by others opinions on players

It's never a perfect science, but from my gut feel (like you, I tend to have my ratings based off others statements around these parts and articles - rather than watching a heap of games or footage) there seems to be a group of KPP rated around the 15-30 mark who were all rated much higher coming into the season.

Cadman is the one who has moved up - but quite a few mids have moved up (more than talls).

At a guess I feel we are a higher chance of picking a potentially elite tall at 20, than a potentially elite mid. A couple of the talls (available at 20 possibly - Keeler, Scully, Hayes, Barnett, Maybe Jefferson, Busslinger very unlikely) have shown elite qualities at times - I'm not sure too many of the mids in that range have shown that.

The other thing is we can also trade in 1 major piece in our rebuild. It gets very hard looking for 2-3 elite type players, but 1 is possible. If we need to pay up to get a key forward then so-be-it, but if we keep pushing back the need for mids then we will be looking for 2-3 quality players to get us to competitive, and that is just unlikely (especially if we start to rise up the ladder and get picks in the 6-12 range rather than 1-5).

I'd love to see Wardlaw/Sheezle plus Keeler as our first 2 picks (and would love it more if we could find a way to get an early teens pick in addition to these 2).

 

[dkalphy]

Its between Cadman or Wardlaw and i prefer Cadman.

He is a Jeremy Cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age

31

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.6

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.0

5star

clone, watch the game again Metro, did you see the goal he scored crumbing and snapping? He isnt your typically clunky key forward.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

There’s a lot of chat of whether we go the big bodied inside mid in Wardlaw or strengthen our key forward future stocks in Cadman.

Can any of the avid draft watchers out there compare what we could have in next years draft with this years cohort? For example, are we better off taking Wardlaw this year due to some highly rated KPP stocks that’ll go early on in next years draft? Or are we better off taking Cadman now as there’s a top tier mid better than Wardlaw worth grabbing next year?

At the end of the day this could all be a moot point if Norf take Cadman anyway. That’d make the draft interesting at the very least. Would make our pick 2 (3) a little bit more sort after you’d think too

Inb4 someone says we should pick Sheezle

Next years kpp stocks look as good as this year's. If we took Wardlaw this year and we had pick 1 next year, don't think we could pass on the opportunity of elite talent Harley Reid is, so we'd have to look at KPP later in both drafts.
It really is such a shame Wardlaw has these injuries as he's absolutely perfect for what we need.

 

[bh90210fan]

Next years kpp stocks look as good as this year's. If we took Wardlaw this year and we had pick 1 next year, don't think we could pass on the opportunity of elite talent Harley Reid is, so we'd have to look at KPP later in both drafts.
It really is such a shame Wardlaw has these injuries as he's absolutely perfect for what we need.

Could be a blessing in disguise if it means he slips past North.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Kids Sheezle’s age don’t know what they want.

Set him up with a nice place in Cott, find him a bird, show him the Bell Tower, he won’t want to leave.

 

[maxrm]

Warlord would look good in #8…

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Or 5

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Id say all Victorian kids want to stay in Melbourne as a preference. Whereas MOST kids from other states see moving to Melbourne or elsewhere as part of the journey

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Kids Sheezle’s age don’t know what they want.

Set him up with a nice place in Cott, find him a bird, show him the Bell Tower, he won’t want to leave.

Help him invest in a iron ore start up that goes x1000 in value.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Help him invest in a iron ore start up that goes x1000 in value.

Yep - That sounds a bit better than the ****ing Bell Tower.

 

[shooshka]

Next years kpp stocks look as good as this year's. If we took Wardlaw this year and we had pick 1 next year, don't think we could pass on the opportunity of elite talent Harley Reid is, so we'd have to look at KPP later in both drafts.
It really is such a shame Wardlaw has these injuries as he's absolutely perfect for what we need.

It's a bit hard to know, as we're expecting a lower finish in 2023 but whether that is last or not will dictate this discussion a bit - however if it does work out as you suggest then we can always trade for a key forward.

2022 - 17th
2023 - 18th

our 2024 1st round pick would have to be valued at either #1 or #2. AND (assuming we have taken Wardlaw and he is injury free, and taken Reid and he is the generational talent everyone seems to rate him as), then we could assume we move up the ladder a little (even say 12th would mean our pick is at #6).

So a gun key forward (McDonald, but there may be others) for pick 1/2 is fair - but becomes a bargain at pick 5/6/7. Dogs may even entertain offers for Naughton in a few years with JUH + Darcy coming on (not sure if Naughton would be interested).

I'd say ideally we get Cadman this year, then another pick between 7-12 to pick up a Phillipou/McKenzie/Hewett. Then Reid next year if we finish last. That is the cheaper way to do it - but no guarantees either of the 2022 picks actually turns out A grade.

 

[JDWCE]

It's a bit hard to know, as we're expecting a lower finish in 2023 but whether that is last or not will dictate this discussion a bit - however if it does work out as you suggest then we can always trade for a key forward.

2022 - 17th
2023 - 18th

our 2024 1st round pick would have to be valued at either #1 or #2. AND (assuming we have taken Wardlaw and he is injury free, and taken Reid and he is the generational talent everyone seems to rate him as), then we could assume we move up the ladder a little (even say 12th would mean our pick is at #6).

So a gun key forward (McDonald, but there may be others) for pick 1/2 is fair - but becomes a bargain at pick 5/6/7. Dogs may even entertain offers for Naughton in a few years with JUH + Darcy coming on (not sure if Naughton would be interested).

I'd say ideally we get Cadman this year, then another pick between 7-12 to pick up a Phillipou/McKenzie/Hewett. Then Reid next year if we finish last. That is the cheaper way to do it - but no guarantees either of the 2022 picks actually turns out A grade.

Rape and pillage the dogs in '24 for English and Naughton. Sounds juicy

 

[Farang83150]

Kids Sheezle’s age don’t know what they want.

Set him up with a nice place in Cott, find him a bird, show him the Bell Tower, he won’t want to leave.

Good timing, I might have a place for him to rent there in a couple of months!

 

[CountryLad]

Was over in the bomber forums just cause I like watching opposition melts re the Scott appointment and Sheedy swipe.

Anyway jumped into there draft thread and a lot of talk in there about doing business with the eagles

pick 4 and 22 for pick 2 and 38.

Also chat about getting Bowes and 7
Sending 7,22,& 25 to us for 2 and 38.
(Don’t ask me how they get pick 25)

Assuming we get 27 from port

That would leave us with

Picks 7,20,22,25,26 & 27 in the draft

Or 5, 20,22,26 & 27