List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

[Keys]

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  Shai Bolton

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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[noobermensch]

Recall reading Teavaglia only recently was moved to half back in the champs. Usually played wing or midfield.

Kids this good in juniors can play anywhere but when they get to play state champs get shuffled around.

Kid could likely play on any flank or wing.

No Travaglia played as a defender all last season for the Pioneers, and start this year predominantly as a defender for the Pioneers, with occasional stints in the midfield. The full time mid/fwd role is relatively new.

 

[bombard]

Seeing as Richmond were always happy to bid on the Lion's NGA prospects, I am expecting Matthew Clarke to be ready to id at 2 or 3 on Levi Ashcroft. Lions are pretty light on points as I see them making a move up the ladder in the second half. Lions are holding their own R1 and R3 and Hawks R4. Points wise (assuming Laura and her mates are true to whispers) the Lions may have to cough up a fair deal more if they want Marshall and Ashcroft. No reason why Levi does not go 1 or 2 with Marshall looking like a early 20's pick. If Lions end up near the top 4, they will be looking to buy points. Dev, Prior and Lane are not players I would want. Tunstill a possible - but only if cheap.

Meanwhile the announcement of changes to NGA and F/S will come out soon and settle it Big question will be what year is it being implemented. The champs are showing we might have some decent (though not pointy end) prospects

If he's not ready to do it yet, just get him briztoon's number for a week or two. He'll do it out of spite by then.

 

[RanaNaved]

I really, really liked Erasmus in his draft year, but he looks like Tom Swift

Tom Swift

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34

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out there. The game looks too quick for him and his skills are deplorable

 

[eaglevision]

One of the best performances of the Talent League round by Travaglia who's in a strong vein of form right now. Playing mid/fwd instead of his traditional defensive role, his competitive intensity around the contest helped him win plenty of the ball for his team. He did everything possible to get Bendigo over the line, kicking three goals in quick succession deep in the fourth quarter to put them ahead on the scoreboard, but unfortunately a spate of ill discipline saw them conceded the lead and the game.

Great video. Drags the team back into it with three last quarter goals, worth watching the last 30 seconds for the last goal where he dances through traffic. So consistent all year. Must get.

 

[dinnaz]

How do you propose to make them fair, without compromising the draft?

Because it’s either invest in them properly and clubs get full access to any draft quality talent, and live with the compromised nature of the draft

Or scrap them completely and go to a full uncompromised draft, father sons excluded.

There’s no perfect solution, because every sporting competition contains inherent inequalities.

Scrap club interference. Make it an AFL run academy and then make your closest AFL team obliged to chip in with the odd training session, speeches, etc

 

[dinnaz]

That throw away line is plainly wrong. And disrespectfull to Carrol and the kids acheivements to date.

Carrol IMO has better chances of making it than L Edwards, J Jones and most other players we will draft as 3rd rounders. He has done his apprentership and broken into a pretty decent team with a strong midfield group contending and played decent footy from limited opportunity.

And he likely surpasses the current output of Gaff and Sheed as well.

That is 4 current players we currently have who he would be an improvement on.

Also a chance he ends up better than Petruccelle, Johnson and even Chesser's output to date.

The bar you have set isnt that high. And we only get a single 1st round pick each draft so we simply cant rely on 1st round picks to solve all our list issues.

All spuds and are at the delist stage. To win flags we need AA quality players.

Laid bare is the daunting task of acquiring another 10 top 100 in the AFL players over the next 3-4 years.
(Involving plenty of 1st round choices and a lot of luck)

I disagree- He is purely average at VFL which is why he doesn't play for the 1s. Carltons midfield is paper thin and he still can't crack a regular berth.

As cooked as Gaff is - Carroll is probably just above that level with Sheed being clearly better.
Move on and perhaps we can jag a win with a late pick like Noah Long.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

full uncompromised draft, father sons excluded.

There’s no perfect solution

Yes there is, the one you literally just described.

I'm a romantic, love the father-son rule. Just make it so bids have to be matched in the same round, and you're all good.

 

[shooshka]

That throw away line is plainly wrong. And disrespectfull to Carrol and the kids acheivements to date.

Carrol IMO has better chances of making it than L Edwards, J Jones and most other players we will draft as 3rd rounders. He has done his apprentership and broken into a pretty decent team with a strong midfield group contending and played decent footy from limited opportunity.

And he likely surpasses the current output of Gaff and Sheed as well.

That is 4 current players we currently have who he would be an improvement on.

Also a chance he ends up better than Petruccelle, Johnson and even Chesser's output to date.

The bar you have set isnt that high. And we only get a single 1st round pick each draft so we simply cant rely on 1st round picks to solve all our list issues.

Not an insight on whether Carrol is a good fit or not, but certainly for us improving our 15th-35th-best-player range is critical.

Some of that hopefully happens naturally by young players (and draftees) moving up the order pushing others to depth.

But as you say 1-2 picks per draft (high picks) doesn’t move that fast enough and we do need to chase depth as well as AA grade talent.

Flynn and Hunt 2 excellent examples of us doing that. Hopefully it continues


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[noobermensch]

As a midfielder, Kako is becoming a serious weapon for the Cannons either as a first hands stoppage winner, or more commonly as a dangerous first receiver who bursts clear and delivers a creative and attacking ball by hand or foot. His accuracy on shots at goal continues to be an issue, but his field kicking is a weapon so perhaps his conversion issues are a case of the yips or a technical flaw that can be addressed.

 

[Mature Age Rookie]

Great video. Drags the team back into it with three last quarter goals, worth watching the last 30 seconds for the last goal where he dances through traffic. So consistent all year. Must get.

Like Travaglia, and wearing No.3, which should be vacant next season

 

[eaglespremiers]

a spate of ill discipline

Two six-six-six infringements in a row to give the Dragons the free kick out of the centre could be classified as that.
Danny, the coach, was fuming.

 

[briztoon]

Ah - Mark Evans. How he has changed tact since moving to the Gold Coast. Always look for the self interest on these sorts of issues.

How Ugloe Hagan was an NGA is still an issue if you take Evans approach. Hell, the guy got a football scholarship at Scotch. He was always going to play AFL and Doggies did next to nothing to earn him. Likewise you and Hodge.

Ugle-Hagan was in the Dogs country NGA zone out around Warnambool, born in an aboriginal reserve out that way. He was originally in the GWV Rebels zone, but the Dogs moved him to Melbourne, got him his scholarship at Scotch and coaching in their Melbourne based nga academy (whatever that entails), and re-aligned to Oakleigh Charges. One of the draft watchers on the draft board who works out that way, and has strong connections at the Rebels was talking Ugle-Hagan up before the Dogs moved him to Melbourne at 15.

Pretty much the perfect example of what the NGA academies are supposed to do.


The Northern academies are set up more like CTL teams. They're supposed to be the elite level of the pathway. The AFL just couldn't be arsed funding them. The vast majority of kids come from footballing families, some with AFL ties, many with QAFL and QFA ties, many many others from interstate families that have relocated to QLD want their kids to play the same sport they did. We don't have to "earn" any of our academy kids, we're supposed to fund their footy education.

 

[briztoon]

Seeing as Richmond were always happy to bid on the Lion's NGA prospects, I am expecting Matthew Clarke to be ready to id at 2 or 3 on Levi Ashcroft. Lions are pretty light on points as I see them making a move up the ladder in the second half. Lions are holding their own R1 and R3 and Hawks R4. Points wise (assuming Laura and her mates are true to whispers) the Lions may have to cough up a fair deal more if they want Marshall and Ashcroft. No reason why Levi does not go 1 or 2 with Marshall looking like a early 20's pick. If Lions end up near the top 4, they will be looking to buy points. Dev, Prior and Lane are not players I would want. Tunstill a possible - but only if cheap.

Meanwhile the announcement of changes to NGA and F/S will come out soon and settle it Big question will be what year is it being implemented. The champs are showing we might have some decent (though not pointy end) prospects

Either we trade our future first in to this year, if we find a buyer, or we take a points deficit in to next year. We can currently take a 1726 points deficit in to next year, under the current rules.

Until we know what the changes are going to be, it's pretty hard to discuss possible scenarios.

 

[briztoon]

No Travaglia played as a defender all last season for the Pioneers, and start this year predominantly as a defender for the Pioneers, with occasional stints in the midfield. The full time mid/fwd role is relatively new.

Any idea where he played as an U16?

 

[briztoon]

If he's not ready to do it yet, just get him briztoon's number for a week or two. He'll do it out of spite by then.

I mean, you could just get him to read this board.

 

[briztoon]

Scrap club interference. Make it an AFL run academy and then make your closest AFL team obliged to chip in with the odd training session, speeches, etc

There's a lot on our board who would be happy with that, many more in QAFL land. Pretty sure that is what the QAFL went to the AFL for many moons ago, the AFL said to hard and told the northern clubs to set up academies, without any guidance or oversight.

 

[briztoon]

Yes there is, the one you literally just described.

I'm a romantic, love the father-son rule. Just make it so bids have to be matched in the same round, and you're all good.

Yeah, but the problem here is the AFL doesn't want to fund that model.

QLD and even more so NSW, need the funding to keep increasing the overall player pool. Tasmania will need the same, and posters here say WA needs more to.

I've followed the NBA for over 30 years, barely 10 years for AFL. I'm used to an uncompromised draft model. I'd happily scrap all academies, father sons, compensation picks, priority picks, etc.

But the AFL reckons it would cost to much if they were responsible for funding a full national talent model, so leave it up to the States or teams to fund talent growth, so we end up with a compromised system.

 

[Keys]

Whilst there’s a degree of mirth at those clubs having academy and/or F/S selections this year now potentially scrambling to revise their draft plans if changes are made, it’s peak AFL that changes may not be announced until about 3-4 months out from the draft. And as little as 2 months before the trade period

Changing the rules on such short notice when clubs will have planned their strategies over a year ago and set themselves up accordingly last draft/trade period is unprofessional for a supposedly well run league

Fortunately the changes don’t impact us directly this year (although any lowering of when a NGA selection can be matched will help in the case of Malakai Champion) so it’s easy to be blasé about them.

Indirectly the changes will likely make things like pick splitting or trading picks forward into this year more difficult.

That said, some of the changes being mooted are quite encouraging in terms of making the draft fairer albeit some are being made arguably a year too soon. Won’t be surprised to see the AFL end up changing the timing of when some of them come in

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

Can we change this board to Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions- Briztoon edition

 

[eaglespremiers]

One of the best performances of the Talent League round by Travaglia who's in a strong vein of form right now. Playing mid/fwd instead of his traditional defensive role, his competitive intensity around the contest helped him win plenty of the ball for his team. He did everything possible to get Bendigo over the line, kicking three goals in quick succession deep in the fourth quarter to put them ahead on the scoreboard, but unfortunately a spate of ill discipline saw them conceded the lead and the game.

No Travaglia played as a defender all last season for the Pioneers, and start this year predominantly as a defender for the Pioneers, with occasional stints in the midfield. The full time mid/fwd role is relatively new.

Yeah, the coaching staff has been advised to mix up the positions.
They want to see Tobie more on ball and James Barrat more behind the ball, which, he did very well this week, marking everything in the back 50 (10 marks and 12 rebound 50s), but then continuously turning the ball over with his foot skills.
Incidentally, you can see my ugly mug clearly at 0:43 seconds of your video right behind the boundary umpire:

Here's the photo I was taking at that precise moment:

 

[Bestbird]

Whilst there’s a degree of mirth at those clubs having academy and/or F/S selections this year now potentially scrambling to revise their draft plans if changes are made, it’s peak AFL that changes may not be announced until about 3-4 months out from the draft. And as little as 2 months before the trade period

Changing the rules on such short notice when clubs will have planned their strategies over a year ago and set themselves up accordingly last draft/trade period is unprofessional for a supposedly well run league

Fortunately the changes don’t impact us directly this year (although any lowering of when a NGA selection can be matched will help in the case of Malakai Champion) so it’s easy to be blasé about them.

Indirectly the changes will likely make things like pick splitting or trading picks forward into this year more difficult.

That said, some of the changes being mooted are quite encouraging in terms of making the draft fairer albeit some are being made arguably a year too soon. Won’t be surprised to see the AFL end up changing the timing of when some of them come in

I disagree as it is clubs rorting a very inequitable set of rules that highly compromises the draft.by getting top end talent for a few late 30 or later picks

 

[Barrybran]

Yeah, but the problem here is the AFL doesn't want to fund that model.

QLD and even more so NSW, need the funding to keep increasing the overall player pool. Tasmania will need the same, and posters here say WA needs more to.

I've followed the NBA for over 30 years, barely 10 years for AFL. I'm used to an uncompromised draft model. I'd happily scrap all academies, father sons, compensation picks, priority picks, etc.

But the AFL reckons it would cost to much if they were responsible for funding a full national talent model, so leave it up to the States or teams to fund talent growth, so we end up with a compromised system.

The system isn't compromised because of the quality of talent in each pool. The system is compromised because clubs are able to access talent from their pools for less than market value.

I personally don't care that Gold Coast traded a bunch of picks and selected three of their academy players in the first round last year. That's good business... and plenty of clubs helped them achieve that!

But I do have a problem with Brisbane getting the Ashcroft boys for 20% less than everyone else, Gold Coast getting their players for 20% less than everyone else, Collingwood with the Daicos boys, Bulldogs with Sam Darcy, Sydney with half of their list.

If the discounts were taken away, clubs could still have priority access to players in their talent pool but we don't see a situation where our pick 19 slides out to pick 30. But if it does, our remaining picks are likely better than 38 and 49 because those clubs bidding on their players at the top end wind up seeing their later selections slide backwards relative to where they currently slide to.

 

[noobermensch]

Any idea where he played as an U16?

Sorry, I don't watch a lot of U16s.

 

[briztoon]

The system isn't compromised because of the quality of talent in each pool.

If the resources aren't put in to developing a talent pool, that will affect every team, because if one talent pool diminishes, all clubs will look to get their talent from other pools. So there's less talent over all, spread much more thinly.

The system is compromised because clubs are able to access talent from their pools for less than market value.

I personally don't care that Gold Coast traded a bunch of picks and selected three of their academy players in the first round last year. That's good business... and plenty of clubs helped them achieve that!

But I do have a problem with Brisbane getting the Ashcroft boys for 20% less than everyone else, Gold Coast getting their players for 20% less than everyone else, Collingwood with the Daicos boys, Bulldogs with Sam Darcy,

I've no issue having to pay full market value. There's never been an argument from me about keeping the 20% discount.

Sydney with half of their list.

I can think of 5 players over a 10 year period. Heeney, Mills, Blakey, Gulden and Campbell. And just remembered there was a who moment last draft, Caiden Cleary.

If the discounts were taken away, clubs could still have priority access to players in their talent pool but we don't see a situation where our pick 19 slides out to pick 30. But if it does, our remaining picks are likely better than 38 and 49 because those clubs bidding on their players at the top end wind up seeing their later selections slide backwards relative to where they currently slide to.

That's pretty much the system I have described in posts last night.

 

[stylish]

Can we change this board to Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions- Briztoon edition

He posted six in a row - surely that's a record.

And if he spends this amount of time on the WC board, surely he would spend more time on the Brissie board.

Does he have a job?