List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[bUCKET__]

Rotham has more speed than Witho and Culley, and has more height and availability than Burgeil. With McQualter trying to implement a run-and-gun style I would say that could be a factor.

Was thinking this. Bloke gets one last role of the dice with a new coach who could unlock something.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Given Mini wants faster ball movement, keeping Luke and Rotham is a surprise.

I guess Rotham looks like he can play taller but he is so slow at decision making.

 

[LittleFires]

In the end it's probably the right choice, but Burgiel will always be one of the big "what ifs" for me.

He played 3 WAFL games off half-back in his first season and had 20 odd disposals in all three of those games. As an 18 year old playing against men for the first time, he was clean, composed and showed glimpses of his pace. He looked to me like a genuine star and if not for his constant hamstring injuries, I have no doubt he would've debuted that year.

Got a little bit more continuity in his body this year and managed the 12 WAFL games, but I reckon his hammies were playing on his mind. Looked like he was playing within himself - certainly didn't get near what he showed off limited game time the year before.

Sure, there are questions about his competitiveness and intensity, but I still think there's a good footballer somewhere in him. Has talent in spades, it's a real shame how his time at the club has turned out. Hope he finds some continuity in his body and eventually gets back onto a list.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I’d have kept Culley simply for his WAFL midfield output. A real shame the knee happened when it did, because he looked to be unlocking something despite his lack of speed even pre injury.

If Edwards is a medical retirement over a delisting, is there some sort of benefit to us or him? A payout, an exemption on the list etc? That might be the thinking.

 

[Mattman93]

Feel bad for Witherden, especially as he clearly worked hard on rounding his game, but probably a necessary call.

Burgiel very disappointing. I want to say that he could have been quality with some more time and investment, but I think he just intrinsically lacks the intensity/physicality required.

Very happy with the Culley decision.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Was thinking this. Bloke gets one last role of the dice with a new coach who could unlock something.

The only thing he will be unlocking is his car as he drives away for the last time before final list lodgement. Unfortunately with Rotham the issue isn’t drive or determination, he just isn’t very good at football

 

[Bacchus]

Luke Edwards played his best game by a mile against Richmond in 2021. May or may not be relevant

He would have been first on my delist pile.

Slow as treacle, injury prone, no outstanding attributes.

 

[Mr Q]

The fact Burgiel has been asked to hang around as a train-on player suggests that there's at least some chance that he's still at the club next year, but we're looking to see if there's anyone available who's hamstrings might hold together.

Surprised Culley wasn't given another season as coming back from an ACL is often hard in the first year.

Won't be surprised to see Luke Edwards has to medically retire, but there's likely some long term financial benefit for him if he's not delisted. If that's the case, then you absolutely do the best by him for his future (suspect the length of time Venables stayed on the list was a lot related to that as well).

Rotham's future might be dependent on whether we can get an in-principle agreement from alternate delisted KPDs out there. He's not renewed, but not delisted yet either.

I actually wonder if, at this time of year, there's a bunch of players on the edge at their clubs (like Rotham), who're told, "Sure go looking, if some other club is interested you'd rather go to, then we'll delist you so you can walk there, but if not, we'll offer you another year and see how it goes."

 

[Shueygod]

Tough on Culley but his lack of pace was a big worry

The other 2 are the most obvious delistings of all time, how are people annoyed by them?

The passing on Johnson is for Chesser and Burgiel is looking even dumber

What pick do you reckon Johnson was taken at champ?

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Given Mini wants faster ball movement, keeping Luke and Rotham is a surprise.

I guess Rotham looks like he can play taller but he is so slow at decision making.

Not delisting certain players today doesn’t mean they make it onto our 2025 list just yet. A few hanging in the balance

 

[Bacchus]

Surely they get delisted sometime in the next few weeks?

Hope so.

 

[The Gtrain]

We should sign Taberner for the lols to reach critical mass

Freo would be laughing at it, there is not a lot of love for him over there.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Frustrating about Burgiel, for us to delist him. He must be shot.

Hopefully gets his body right and work his way back onto the list through train on spot, wonder if that's also a kick up the bum for him? Hasn't done proper rehab etc.

So by mine we have 37 contracted players and Rotham and Edwards still no official status. So call it 39, so 5 spots currently open.

 

[Convocation]

At this point Brockman just needs to show something, anything as a first step. Been disappointing so far

one year with us, really young family. Agree he needs to show something, but I'm glass half full on him still

 

[EagleMutt]

If culley got a new contract,would it have to be 2years cos he be coming off the rookie list?

 

[Spod]

If Edwards is a medical retirement over a delisting, is there some sort of benefit to us or him? A payout, an exemption on the list etc? That might be the thinking.

It would probably be the difference between an insurance payout covering lost wages or not.

 

[WCEswift]

This draft is so deep there is going to be some quality in the last few picks and rookie draft

 

[Yeahnahmate]

one year with us, really young family. Agree he needs to show something, but I'm glass half full on him still

I would like him to be good too. Currently my glass is filled to the midway point and I’m preferring to hold off on calling it either half full or half empty. He needs to play some decent footy

 

[Bacchus]

Carroll been linked and Rhino just said we are doing our homework on DGB atm

Would like Carroll. I think he can play at the level.

 

[JackOutback]

Strange to delist Witherden before Rotham or Culley/Burgiel before Edwards. Is there a chance they stay on because we don't have many draft picks or do add more via the rookie draft, like DGB.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

This is pretty much the only reason why I didn't lose my mind about Richmond getting all these picks. There's been a number of years where both GWS and Gold Coast, especially Gold Coast have done next to nothing for capitalising on that

You can't paint by numbers when it comes to building a list. Our run up to 2018 showed how you really only need a body of half your best 22 via the draft and you can do that over a 10-12 year period.

When you're drafting year to year and reevaluating your lists needs consistently you going to get better outcomes on the types of players you need and be able to optimise around that. Drafting in one year is limiting in type and quality with no way to measure one cohort against the next.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Frustrating about Burgiel, for us to delist him. He must be shot.

Hopefully gets his body right and work his way back onto the list through train on spot, wonder it that's also a kick up the bum for him? Hasn't done proper rehab etc.

So by mine we have 37 contracted players and Rotham and Edwards still no official status. So call it 39, so 5 spots currently open.

I sense a mix of frustration with constant hamstring issues and hearing he has not put the effort it. Hopefully it sparks him into action as he looked like a great pick at the time

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Burgiel "considered for a train-on spot over pre-season."

Hopefully. Pace, goal kicking.

 

[bzparkes]

Strange to delist Witherden before Rotham or Culley/Burgiel before Edwards. Is there a chance they stay on because we don't have many draft picks or do add more via the rookie draft, like DGB.

Witherden and Culley are very slow. Edwards may yet retire but he is quicker than those 2, as is Rotham.

Presuming that may be the rationale with the new gameplan.

 

[Wce17]

So someone earlier in the year said we’d be making about 10 list changes. We are on 9 so far with calls still to be made on Rotham & Edward’s.

Think we turned over about 10 last year so that’s nearly half the list gone in 2 preseasons. Can’t really work out how people can say we aren’t rebuilding.