List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[ghostbat12]

Can't believe we are actually going to trade down pick three to unlock a baker trade. Madness

Alternative is to give up picks.

I can't say much but and it may not happen but a lot of work has gone into making sure pick 3 is used on a much higher caliber player than Baker.

The clubs has quite a few trade targets. Hopefully get a couple over the line but still want 2 picks inside the top 20 of the draft.

Bolton + baker for pick 3, pick 23 with bitchmonds pick 29 back. Unders for tigers who will want 3 and 12 included.

Despite what is being said, Bolton and baker make us better. Pearling for 23.

We need mids but can’t all be solved in one draft. We are much more competitive with those in the team and Pearline and hit another a grader in next years draft and hope we hit one with pick 12.

I am at peace with it. Go to draft with at least pick 12 and see who else we can trade.

 

[eaglevision]

it’s a 50/50 call that is heavily dependent on what we give up in draft capital to bring him in.

Let's not pretend he is shit.

This is the point. If we were flying and lacking his specific role in the team I’d happily hand over pick 23 for him.

With our list state and the quality of this draft I’d much rather invest that pick in a 18yo player. Next year is looking like our NGAs/FS will slide into the 3rd round so I’d be happy to trade our F3 for him, but not our F2 as again that deprives us of a very good player to pick.

At the end of the day everyone will have their own threshold as to what Baker is worth to the team in its current state. Hopefully Clarke et al are in the best position to make that call but I hope they err towards paying less rather than more.

 

[Elite Pete]

Ashcroft 40d 2.2
M Reid 25d 3.1G 5t
Trainor 6d (injured?)
Armstrong 13d 5m 4.0g

Champion 1.2g 14d

 

[southcoast]

We could even trade 3 down to Adelaide on draft night if they are desperate for Sid Draper which I would if it to happen it would look like 3 for 4 and 25 but I would prefer for us to pick Sid but that is just an option to generate more picks.

Something like this option reinforces why we shouldn’t use pick 3 as part of Baker trade. Even 3 for Baker and 6 as being floated in a few places doesn’t add to our draft hand.

For me - I prefer to retain 3 and see what comes to us of draft night. Another extra pick before our current second and aside from Barrass trade is something we should be looking for.



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[Corn69]

Ashcroft 40d 2.2
M Reid 25d 3.1G 5t
Trainor 6d (injured?)
Armstrong 13d 5m 4.0g

Champion 1.2g 14d

Cody Curtin with another 6 goals too.

Will 100% be better than his big bro.

 

[random260]

Cody Curtin with another 6 goals too.

Will 100% be better than his big bro.

Colts doesn't count. It's where skinny children play.

 

[Dark Sharks]

3 and 59 for 6, 41 and Baker?


Gets us an extra pick (ironically the one we gave them last year for Hall) plus Baker, whilst they get to move up the top end of the draft for FOS and Smith.

Otherwise their pick 47 even.


Who says no? Other than my wife.

 

[Big_Birdy]

That might mean we might have taken Cooper Simpson instead at 30 and held onto this year's 3rd round pick with Hall not required.
Unsure who we'd take at 40.
McAuliffe, Murphy and Freijah all available.

Possibly.

Rather Hall than Simpson. Was lucky to not be playing WAFL reserves at the end of the year

 

[shooshka]

3 and 59 for 6, 41 and Baker?


Gets us an extra pick (ironically the one we gave them last year for Hall) plus Baker, whilst they get to move up the top end of the draft for FOS and Smith.

Otherwise their pick 47 even.


Who says no? Other than my wife.

We should say no.

I know the points system says that values Baker at 54, but that points system is being ripped up and replaced because it is seriously flawed.

3 & 59 for 6 & 41 would be laughed out of the room, so it really is Baker adding any value to that downgrade. He adds some, but needs to be the Eagles valuation (F2 or 23 at a pinch) rather than nominally whatever the Tigers want to ask for.

They want pick 3, pay up.

3 for 6, 25-30, Baker. (6 + 30 is about even on ‘points’… Baker is then the cost to move up).

Or just sit with a F2 offer. They will eventually take it.


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[ziad]

We should say no.

I know the points system says that values Baker at 54, but that points system is being ripped up and replaced because it is seriously flawed.

3 & 59 for 6 & 41 would be laughed out of the room, so it really is Baker adding any value to that downgrade. He adds some, but needs to be the Eagles valuation (F2 or 23 at a pinch) rather than nominally whatever the Tigers want to ask for.

They want pick 3, pay up.

3 for 6, 25-30, Baker. (6 + 30 is about even on ‘points’… Baker is then the cost to move up).

Or just sit with a F2 offer. They will eventually take it.


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at around 3 we should be looking for match winners not good players.

 

[BartBart]

If we had Baker and he wanted to go to Richmond, would the Tigers trade pick 1 down to pick 3 to get him?

I doubt it.

Not sure why the media are always desperate for WCE to split or downgrade our top pick, but barely do the same with just about any of the other high picks?

 

[eaglevision]

Only saw the last quarter but quiet game for FOS. Jagga with 30 odd disposals and was clean with good decision making in the last quarter. Oakleigh into the prelim by a couple of points so both will get another chance. Sims injured foot/ankle but not really on our radar I would have thought.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Has there been any further word on Busslinger?

He re-signed .

Apparently he is shit scared of flying on planes .

Playing for a team who travels every 2nd week probably didn't sound appealing

 

[southcoast]

3 and 59 for 6, 41 and Baker?


Gets us an extra pick (ironically the one we gave them last year for Hall) plus Baker, whilst they get to move up the top end of the draft for FOS and Smith.

Otherwise their pick 47 even.


Who says no? Other than my wife.

Don’t think we can return reverse trade a pick as per your example above.


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[Get_The_Gaff]

Good post, was just about to post the same thing, only more eloquently.


Whilst the carry on over the potential Baker acquisition and every ******* trade from Jon Ralph which ends up with us overpaying is just cause for melts...

Let's not pretend he is shit. I don't necessarily agree with targetting him simply because HE says he wants to come home, however you'd have to be blind to totally disregard him as a decent AFL player.

I'm a stats man normally but in Baker case you can see stats can be a bit deceiving.

He's a quality player that can play in any third of the ground and have an impact. He lifts his teammates around him with his courage and leadership (for a midget) and brings others into the game.

He does the 1% things which helps you win games and bobs up at the right time to do them. I think leadership at West Coast is borderline a farce at this point. Allen and Duggan aren't a leaders arseh*le. Neither should be captain. Meanwhile our VC is attempting to walk out the door. Case could be made McGovern is a leader I guess, but his game style is also rather selfish as well.

Who else is there? Cripps? Kelly? Haha!! Biggest non leaders we have those 2, and that's along with our captain's.

Baker for mine instantly becomes potentially the best leader we have. He'd be handy during pre season given his experience, where he's come from and what he's done in the AFL.


This is all copium of course.

Waterman is more of a leader than Allen and duggan IMO .

Just make the loosh the captain and Allen/dug the deputies

 

[eaglevision]

Don’t think we can return reverse trade a pick as per your example above.


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I believe that’s just within the same draft period in which it was traded. Pretty much due to us hiding picks for Sydney (Rowbottom from memory) then trading it back and getting a 2R/F2 out of it. So I think we can receive it back this year.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

I agree getting in those 3rd round and 4th round picks would be very useful.
My trades for the offseason:

Jack Darling for 40 from North.
Petch for 47 from Richmond
Barnett for Pick 42 from Adelaide.
Barras and future 2nd for Picks 14 (Could change even more probs will), F1, and 30.
We could even trade 3 down to Adelaide on draft night if they are desperate for Sid Draper which I would if it to happen it would look like 3 for 4 and 25 but I would prefer for us to pick Sid but that is just an option to generate more picks.
That in the end leaves us with picks:
3 Sid Draper
14 Tobie Travaglia
23 Alix Taura
30 Noah Mraz
40 Hamish Davis (must get him)
42 Kale Gerynn
47 and 59 suck up in Champion bid.
Probably rookie draft a good state ruck to fill the void of our bad rucks

100% draiper would complement our mids so well .

2 way running , agile ball pig who tackles hard and brings others into the game .

 

[Elite Pete]

Dyson Sharp on fire early in the SANFL final. 7d 2t still 5 minutes to go in the first

Don’t trade out of next years draft.


Sharp, Duursma, Curtin

 

[ArdentEagle]

There are lampposts more mobile than Scott Jones

Tell me about it...I was walking home from the park with the kids the other day. Bloody lamppost baulked past me with a beautiful dummy and booted it from 70m.

w***er showed me up in front of my kids, and to rub salt into the wound, it made the walk home more dangerous due to lack of lighting on the footpath. ****ing Tosser!!!

 

[pantskyle]

Imo if tigers really want 3 in a trade/pick swap its because they really want a player early. Make them overpay for it. Not here for fair value.

 

[eaglevision]

Just saw some stats:

Jagga 30 disposals (14k 16hb) 4 marks 7 tackles 5 I50 1 R50 1 FF 1 goal
FOS 17 disposals (7k 10hb) 2 marks 2 tackles 4 I50 1 R50 1 FF 1 FA
Dattoli 21 disposals (6k 15hb) 5 tackles 3 I50 1 FA 0.2
Gross 21 disposals (15k 6hb) 5 marks 1 tackle 5 I50 2 FF 2.3
Sims 10 disposals (4k 6hb) 3 marks 10 hitouts 2 I50 1 R50 2 FF 3 FA

Hamish Davis on now for those who want to see a possible Liam Baker

7

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

pick 23 alternative.

 

[CountryLad]

Just saw some stats:

Jagga 30 disposals (14k 16hb) 4 marks 7 tackles 5 I50 1 R50 1 FF 1 goal
FOS 17 disposals (7k 10hb) 2 marks 2 tackles 4 I50 1 R50 1 FF 1 FA
Dattoli 21 disposals (6k 15hb) 5 tackles 3 I50 1 FA 0.2
Gross 21 disposals (15k 6hb) 5 marks 1 tackle 5 I50 2 FF 2.3
Sims 10 disposals (4k 6hb) 3 marks 10 hitouts 2 I50 1 R50 2 FF 3 FA

Hamish Davis on now for those who want to see a possible Liam Baker pick 23 alternative.

Surely FOS is becoming a bit of a concern. Hasn’t cracked 20 disposals in a game yet this year.

 

[eaglevision]

Surely FOS is becoming a bit of a concern. Hasn’t cracked 20 disposals in a game yet this year.

It is a concern, but he also hasn’t been able to string games together because of injury. Richmond with an expected bounty of picks may be less risk averse than others. Another game next week, will be well worth watching. Only saw a bit of the game but Jagga was so clean. Jagga, FOS and Draper would all be good picks IMO, but each obviously comes with their downside as well as strengths.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Cripps replacement who can also chop out in the middle or down back if we have injuries. Like Jayden Hunt, he'd be there to fill a role while the kids come on.

I’d take Baker over Hunt any day!!

 

[CountryLad]

It is a concern, but he also hasn’t been able to string games together because of injury. Richmond with an expected bounty of picks may be less risk averse than others. Another game next week, will be well worth watching. Only saw a bit of the game but Jagga was so clean. Jagga, FOS and Draper would all be good picks IMO, but each obviously comes with their downside as well as strengths.

Starting to become really concerned he’s a higher priced Chesser. We need blokes that can get there hands on the ball.

Jagga, Reid, Draper, Langford and Smillie are all ball pigs, must all be better suited to our needs at this stage.