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Whose future picks would you have preferred?

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

  • Jai Culley, Alex Witherden and Coby Burgiel delisted






  • Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones and Jordyn Baker delisted

 
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Throw the book at either Hawthorne or geelongs player development coach and recruiters.
Relying on recruiting talent for picks, or sitting on the bottom for years for talented picks is a suboptimal, and dated approach
 

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Elite Pete said:
MWT had a couple of Eagle talking points.
Jayz put forward the
Hawks 13* and F1
For
TB and F2.

All seemed to agree this is where it will go.

Jack Darling at least 2 year deal on the table from the Roos. F4 mentioned if we don’t chip in, pick in the 30s if we do (way too much m). JayZ questioned why the Roos would even go down this path. He then went all Vic Journo nuffie and Said if he can’t get a game at the Eagles (missed like 1 game) why would he get a game at the Roos. Well because our key position are so much better than theirs.
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Ralph: “both sides (Eagles and Hawks) have leverage. F**king idiot. At least Clark pretends to be objective.

Darling and the 200k salary to North for pick 40. Sounds like Parker to Norf is also on the cards. They may also ask for pick 40 but maybe prefer future selections for their NGA next year.
 
Sounds like we want picks, also I'm not sure we can realistically hold Barrass to his contract if we cant get a deal done, we've very clearly pushed him out. I mean technically we could? I can see that Hawks may have a slither of power in the trade too?

We will get their first rounder and Hawthorn will also offer their future second imo we need to be pressing hard for their current second rounder instead (Collingwood's pick) because they will likely make finals next year too and apparently there are plenty of high end academy and father/sons expected similar to last year.
 
ep2018 said:
Sounds like we want picks, also I'm not sure we can realistically hold Barrass to his contract if we cant get a deal done, we've very clearly pushed him out. I mean technically we could? I can see that Hawks may have a slither of power in the trade too?
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You're right....We may as well just give him up for pick 122. Maybe chuck in 3 as a sweetener.
 
Elite Pete said:
MWT had a couple of Eagle talking points.
Jayz put forward the
Hawks 13* and F1
For
TB and F2.

All seemed to agree this is where it will go.

Jack Darling at least 2 year deal on the table from the Roos. F4 mentioned if we don’t chip in, pick in the 30s if we do (way too much m). JayZ questioned why the Roos would even go down this path. He then went all Vic Journo nuffie and Said if he can’t get a game at the Eagles (missed like 1 game) why would he get a game at the Roos. Well because our key position are so much better than theirs.
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Given our F2 will probably only be 4 spots behind the hawks F1 Id prefer if we can make it barass + F3 for 2 first rounders.
 
ep2018 said:
Sounds like we want picks, also I'm not sure we can realistically hold Barrass to his contract if we cant get a deal done, we've very clearly pushed him out. I mean technically we could? I can see that Hawks may have a slither of power in the trade too?

We will get their first rounder and Hawthorn will also offer their future second imo we need to be pressing hard for their current second rounder instead (Collingwood's pick) because they will likely make finals next year too and apparently there are plenty of high end academy and father/sons expected similar to last year.
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Of course we can hold Barrass to his contract. We can also field offers from nine other Victorian clubs.

It is up to the Hawks to make an offer we deem good enough to release Barrass from the remaining three years of his contract. It’s that simple.
 
ep2018 said:
Sounds like we want picks, also I'm not sure we can realistically hold Barrass to his contract if we cant get a deal done, we've very clearly pushed him out. I mean technically we could? I can see that Hawks may have a slither of power in the trade too?

We will get their first rounder and Hawthorn will also offer their future second imo we need to be pressing hard for their current second rounder instead (Collingwood's pick) because they will likely make finals next year too and apparently there are plenty of high end academy and father/sons expected similar to last year.
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If Hawks don’t pony up, we just go to Barrass and tell him we will need to trade him to someone else if he wants his pay rise. He will quickly find someone else, we get the deal done and Hawks are out in the cold.

After all, there are 10 teams in Victoria right.
 

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3agles87 said:
If Hawks don’t pony up, we just go to Barrass and tell him we will need to trade him to someone else if he wants his pay rise. He will quickly find someone else, we get the deal done and Hawks are out in the cold.

After all, there are 10 teams in Victoria right.
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Honestly shocked Carlton haven’t entered the race, their cap is tight but they could still afford him and they have pick 11.
 
Speaking of Jack Macrae he is very much a great comparison to Langford in this draft .

Tall inside mid , smart left footer with average pace .
 
KERRPOW said:
Given our F2 will probably only be 4 spots behind the hawks F1 Id prefer if we can make it barass + F3 for 2 first rounders.
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Hawks have a risk of an injury year or a down year like the Cats last year and Pies this year ect.

I think the F2 is fair. Compo picks to go in there and maybe even our own priority picks if all turns to crap next year. NGA and Academy’s as well
 
ep2018 said:
Sounds like we want picks, also I'm not sure we can realistically hold Barrass to his contract if we cant get a deal done, we've very clearly pushed him out. I mean technically we could? I can see that Hawks may have a slither of power in the trade too?

We will get their first rounder and Hawthorn will also offer their future second imo we need to be pressing hard for their current second rounder instead (Collingwood's pick) because they will likely make finals next year too and apparently there are plenty of high end academy and father/sons expected similar to last year.
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Like f we can’t hold him to his contract.

If he wants more money, then he also won’t care who pays up. He may have his preference now, but hired guns go where the smell of money there is.

Or go back to existing contract. He may have a tough choice to make.
 
Elite Pete said:
Hawks have a risk of an injury year or a down year like the Cats last year and Pies this year ect.

I think the F2 is fair. Compo picks to go in there and maybe even our own priority picks if all turns to crap next year. NGA and Academy’s as well
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There's going to be a lot of academy and nga kids in the middle of next years first round.
 
From Fox Footy:

BARRASS TRADE DETAILS REVEALED

West Coast Eagles superstar Tom Barrass has requested a trade to Hawthorn, but how will a deal get done?

According to the Herald Sun’s Jay Clark, Hawthorn will need to give up two first round picks to secure the star Eagles defender.

“They want two first round picks the Eagles. I know that sounds like a lot for a 28-year-old key defender, he’s going to be 29 by the start of next season, but the Hawks are in a tricky position here for two reasons,” Clark told Fox Footy’s Midweek Tackle.


“A, he’s contracted which gives West Coast the upper hand and B, because of the Hawks’ rise their first-round picks keep shuffling back. By the time we get the Academy picks, the father-son, the free agency compensation, that could slide right back to 18, 19, 20 plus potentially,” he said.

“That on its own we know is not going to satisfy West Coast for Tom Barrass who is one of the best key defenders in the competition.

“This is what’s going to happen. West Coast is going to ask for two first round picks. The Hawks’ first this year and their first next year and then potentially give a second round back. Hawthorn’s first round pick next year essentially becomes West Coast’s second round pick which will be early in the 20s, a bit of a pick slide but the part which will irk Hawthorn fans and Hawthorn list management chiefs is two first round picks, that’s a lot on the surface. Optically that’s good for West Coast because he’s a contracted player.”

Herald Sun journalist Jon Ralph though the trade was too much from a Hawthorn perspective.

“It’s too much because West Coast want him off their books. They want to get into the draft early on and Hawthorn’s desperate for him and they’ve got players like Calsher Dear in the 50s, Nick Watson’s going to be a gun, and they brought in players like Ginnivan and that deal itself is going to neutralize,” he said.

“So, both sides will have leverage, if you’re Hawthorn you’re getting that deal done because as much as we all love Sam Frost, you’re bringing in this interceptor that turns you into an even better and maybe the best defence in the competition.”

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Please somebody translate what the hell Jon Ralph is talking about there?

That’s just confusing.

It’s too much for Hawthorn to pay because the Eagles ‘want him off their books’? - something pretty much only he has now suggested surely? I think the Eagles are happy with Barrass on the books on the contract he signed, just not on a longer, more expensive contract, which they are well within their rights to do, given it has 3 more years to run.

Hawthorn are desperate for him because they’ve got Calsher Dear and Nick Watson and…Ginnivan? and that will ‘neutralize’ the deal? What does that mean?

It’s too much but they will do it because they’ve drafted well (I think?)…. but also both sides have leverage?
 
Bennellongtime said:
That's because Bevo is an idiot and either plays him out of position or as the sub.Macrae is still an absolute gun.
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I wish that was true. He's a liability in the middle these days, with the game getting faster and him getting slower. I think Bevo's a nutter in a lot of regards too, but Macrae is past it. Even his kicking which used to be sublime has deteriorated.

He's been one of my favourite non-Eagles players to watch last decade, so I believe this with a bit of sadness. Hopefully he does turn it around at another club cos I'd love to be wrong here.
 
That Jack Carroll highlight vid was pretty decent tbh.

Odd player, strange gait, but penetrating left foot and appeared to be a good combo of inside/outside.

Wouldn't kick up much of a fuss parting ways with our 4th rounder (59) to get him. OOC from my understanding and with more responsibility and game time it wouldn't be surprising to see him continue his upwards trajectory.

Carroll, Dev, certainly helps our list profile.
 
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