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  • Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones and Jordyn Baker delisted

  • List Manager Matt Clarke appeared on Gettable - Click spoiler below for summary
    On the draft: "We predicted that the draft was strong, but it's probably gotten stronger during the year."

    On top end of draft: "You could probably make five or six different choices and get it right."

    On Pick 3: "I reckon there's five (players) around that mark."

    On splitting: "I think you want to hold an early selection if you can. The depth of this group allows you to maybe have some movement there, and see what you can do to bring in more talent in the first 20-25 picks. Easier said than done, and I think most clubs would be saying the same thing. We'll see what we can do."

    On Liam Baker: "He's still yet to make a decision. They're still weighing up a few things. We'd love to get Liam on board from what he offers from a talent and leadership point of view. We understand where we're at as a group, we're rebuilding our group, we need to add some guys in the middle tier to support our young group."

    On Jack Graham: "We've got a number of players that we're speaking to. A bit of a wait and see on that one as well. We'll talk to a number of guys."

    On Shai Bolton: "I think it will be difficult for anybody, really. He's heavily contracted and a high quality player."

    On James Peatling: "He's heavily involved in a finals series at the moment so I don't want to comment too much on it, but I think there's a number of guys that have been playing really good footy this year that could suit what we do and what other clubs do. He's taken his footy to another level this year."

    On Tom Barrass: "We've had an early discussion with Hawthorn about it, they understand where we're at. He's nominated Hawthorn as his ideal destination. We want what we think he's worth, as a genuine key back in the competition that can do what he can do. We're obviously mindful of getting an appropriate deal for West Coast."

    On Tom Clurey: "Maybe (note: sounded very non enthused). We'd probably need some key back depth, whether that's through the draft or trade and free agency."

    On Jack Darling: "We've had initial discussions with his management group about (moving). We're open to talking, as we are with all of our players, but Jack's contracted with us."

    On Liam Ryan: "I expect him to be at West Coast next year, yes." (The most definitive answer of the day by a mile, a non-starter of a talking point.)

    On out of contact players e.g. Rotham, Witherden, Jones: "We're still working through what it looks like from a list point of view, and how many selections we'll want to have, and players that may come in and potentially may go out. You might want to give a coach an opportunity to look at these guys."

    On Harley Reid: "We've had discussions most of the year with his management group. I think it sits in a really good place. We're open to doing really whatever they want to do to be honest. We're really confident in building the right system around Harley, on and off field, to make sure that he's really comfortable, that he's going to play his best footy, and his long term future."

    On Jake Waterman's new deal: "Yep, really close. We're working really closely with his management on that. I expect that we'll have something done pretty soon."

    On Oscar Allen: "We've been talking with Oscar and his manager most of the year on that one. We're going through some stuff at the moment. I think we'll be ok with that one."




 
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He's a January birth, so will be 27 next year. He's 173cm and ~70kg.

He's a flanker who can support the midfield, but he's not a prime mover, or going to win you games off his own boot or grunt work.

Not to mention out of contract with an ordinary skill set. It's madness.

He'd want to be a better leader than Gough to justify pick 13 being included in any way.

And having just watched his speech at the BnF... that doesn't appear to be the case.
 
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Not to mention out of contract with an ordinary skill set. It's madness.

He'd want to be a better leader than Gough to justify pick 13 being included in any way.

And having just watched his speech at the BnF... that doesn't appear to be the case.
He seems like a leader purely by his on field actions. He seems quite thick based on that video.
 

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I think with all the talk about us giving 13 for Baker, then Pyke feeling the need to douse the spot fires about "giving away the farm", I'm feeling pretty confident that we won't be dissatisfied with what we eventually do trade for him.
 
Why would we meet with Travaglia if we didn’t plan on having a pick around his mark?

Could just be due diligence which is fair enough, but we’re either splitting 3 or keeping 13 based on that info

Or we may see what he can bring to the team worthy of using pick 3?

Elite endurance and speed and ball use is rare and perhaps they think they can get a mid at pick 13 instead.

Who says no?
 
Why would that be in our interests. Baker maybe AFL standard but he is not a going to win games for you. Harley, perhaps Hewitt and this years 3rd and 13th pick might.
A Tiger supporter.
I understand your angst. I agree that Baker is not worth pick 13. I think if that’s the pick then something may come back the Eagles way. The problem for WC that I see is your club has committed to Baker and will get a deal done, because it would deter players/agents dealing with you in the future. Unfortunately you can not walk him to the PSD as Richmond has first pick and would just redraft him.
It’s an interesting situation.

One thing I’ll say about Baker: when the games on the line he may not be the match winner but he’ll stand up to the pressure when others can’t. Loves the contest.

Also the post that he has an ordinary skill level is garbage. He’s good by hand and foot.
 
A Tiger supporter.
I understand your angst. I agree that Baker is not worth pick 13. I think if that’s the pick then something may come back the Eagles way. The problem for WC that I see is your club has committed to Baker and will get a deal done, because it would deter players/agents dealing with you in the future. Unfortunately you can not walk him to the PSD as Richmond has first pick and would just redraft him.
It’s an interesting situation.

One thing I’ll say about Baker: when the games on the line he may not be the match winner but he’ll stand up to the pressure when others can’t. Loves the contest.

Also the post that he has an ordinary skill level is garbage. He’s good by hand and foot.
Alternatively he's committed to leaving richmond now, and your club will take what they're given.. he's a second round pick if I've ever seen one.
 
Just a guess, I reckon Melbourne will want Oliver gone.

Don't know if they're doing a club review, but surely they can see there's a lot wrong with their club.

If I was a draftee, I would doing what NBA draftees have said for years, I don't want to be drafted to ... (insert team name, usually Sacramento).
I can tell you must have great insights into what makes a crap club - you support both Newcastle and 76’ers. Surely their fan board would benefit from your wonderful insights about Oliver and clubland excellence.
 
A Tiger supporter.
I understand your angst. I agree that Baker is not worth pick 13. I think if that’s the pick then something may come back the Eagles way. The problem for WC that I see is your club has committed to Baker and will get a deal done, because it would deter players/agents dealing with you in the future. Unfortunately you can not walk him to the PSD as Richmond has first pick and would just redraft him.
It’s an interesting situation.

One thing I’ll say about Baker: when the games on the line he may not be the match winner but he’ll stand up to the pressure when others can’t. Loves the contest.

Also the post that he has an ordinary skill level is garbage. He’s good by hand and foot.
I love Baker’s spirit and we will benefit from his arrival along with Graham. Both seem like good characters.

That said, it feels like he has burned his bridge back to Punt Road judging from his B&F speech. He obviously loved his time and who wouldn’t with 3 Flags. He has smelt a rat in the club and the mass exodus has momentum. Out of contract means a lot and I expect a deal to go through that pisses both supporter groups off. The Taylor Adams trade of 33 feel right to me. That probably means 23 with a pick in the 30’s coming back.

Don’t forget, he took a month to decide on us or the Purples. If we had given a hard commitment, he would have come out after the exit interview and said make me an Eagle. Personally I would prefer a F2 with a 2024 R3 coming back. After all, who can name a position that he is first quartile in? Too small to be a starting inside mid, too slow to be an outside mid. Not quick by hand or foot to be a top small forward. Not elite by foot meaning he is not the quarterback distributor. What I have witnessed is a great team player who can fill in most places and a really useful utility. Kind of sounds like Liam Duggan and I would expect he is worth a mid second round. Players that can come in and play a role well.
 
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Mark Duffield reporting that Freo want to keep 9 or 10 to get Bo Allan. Being at Peel gives them great insights and Twomey has him moving into 12th place in September (11th excluding Levi). I read into that Cal has been given insights

Tigers will want both 9 and 10 but I expect most can see that he is not worth 2 x top 10 picks. Likewise with Rioli - pick 6 feels about right (and maybe Tigers get the right to bid on pick 12 with decent points but not huge overs)

It will be a big watch as to whether the Tigers get on with decent deals or play the disruptive game a la Cats. Playing tough might win one deal but likely not optimise their total hand.
 
One thing I’ll say about Baker: when the games on the line he may not be the match winner but he’ll stand up to the pressure when others can’t. Loves the contest.

Also the post that he has an ordinary skill level is garbage. He’s good by hand and foot.
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Mate he’s shithouse by foot and has been for a long time. Baker’s main attribute is how clean he is below his knees. One touch player who rarely fumbles and always puts his head over the footy.
 

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It's because all the clubs are in cahoots with each other to scratch each others backs so when academy and father/son bids come around they're not encourage to cuck one another in the bidding/draft process. Everyone's mates with each other...except when it comes to the Eagles, they'll reams us good and proper always.

Not all.

Richmond and Essendon play hard. Tigers often the first to bid on an academy kid.

Essendon are........Essendon.
 
A Tiger supporter.
I understand your angst. I agree that Baker is not worth pick 13. I think if that’s the pick then something may come back the Eagles way. The problem for WC that I see is your club has committed to Baker and will get a deal done, because it would deter players/agents dealing with you in the future. Unfortunately you can not walk him to the PSD as Richmond has first pick and would just redraft him.
It’s an interesting situation.

One thing I’ll say about Baker: when the games on the line he may not be the match winner but he’ll stand up to the pressure when others can’t. Loves the contest.

Also the post that he has an ordinary skill level is garbage. He’s good by hand and foot.
No they wouldn't. No experienced player has ever been drafted in the PSD to a state they didn't want to go to.

****en lol on the last part. He's a clanger merchant. Ranked 12th in clangers per game (removing rucks who give away clangers in the form of free kicks), 11th in clangers per possession for mid, mid/fwds. His value is having a crack, not silky ball use.
 
Sam Edmond on trade radio has said Danny Daly isn’t coming to west coast.


Sam also saying we have appointed a head of football to sit above Gavin bell but no name floating around at this stage… he isn’t sure why it hasn’t been announced.


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Mate he’s shithouse by foot and has been for a long time. Baker’s main attribute is how clean he is below his knees. One touch player who rarely fumbles and always puts his head over the footy.

Cough :eyes:

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Can't say I've ever heard Baker be described as a Smooth mover or that he "leads his team's midfield" like this bloke either, yet here we are.
 
Barass + f3 for 13 and Hawks f1
Darling for pick 58
Pick 23 + Culley for LiamBaker
3 + 13 for 6 + 9
58,59,Rotham compo, Hawks f1 for GC 12

6 - Lalor
9 - Travaglia
12 - Tauru
LiamBaker
(FA) Graham

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