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  • Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones and Jordyn Baker delisted

  • List Manager Matt Clarke appeared on Sept 11 Gettable - Click spoiler below for summary
    On the draft: "We predicted that the draft was strong, but it's probably gotten stronger during the year."

    On top end of draft: "You could probably make five or six different choices and get it right."

    On Pick 3: "I reckon there's five (players) around that mark."

    On splitting: "I think you want to hold an early selection if you can. The depth of this group allows you to maybe have some movement there, and see what you can do to bring in more talent in the first 20-25 picks. Easier said than done, and I think most clubs would be saying the same thing. We'll see what we can do."

    On Liam Baker: "He's still yet to make a decision. They're still weighing up a few things. We'd love to get Liam on board from what he offers from a talent and leadership point of view. We understand where we're at as a group, we're rebuilding our group, we need to add some guys in the middle tier to support our young group."

    On Jack Graham: "We've got a number of players that we're speaking to. A bit of a wait and see on that one as well. We'll talk to a number of guys."

    On Shai Bolton: "I think it will be difficult for anybody, really. He's heavily contracted and a high quality player."

    On James Peatling: "He's heavily involved in a finals series at the moment so I don't want to comment too much on it, but I think there's a number of guys that have been playing really good footy this year that could suit what we do and what other clubs do. He's taken his footy to another level this year."

    On Tom Barrass: "We've had an early discussion with Hawthorn about it, they understand where we're at. He's nominated Hawthorn as his ideal destination. We want what we think he's worth, as a genuine key back in the competition that can do what he can do. We're obviously mindful of getting an appropriate deal for West Coast."

    On Tom Clurey: "Maybe (note: sounded very non enthused). We'd probably need some key back depth, whether that's through the draft or trade and free agency."

    On Jack Darling: "We've had initial discussions with his management group about (moving). We're open to talking, as we are with all of our players, but Jack's contracted with us."

    On Liam Ryan: "I expect him to be at West Coast next year, yes." (The most definitive answer of the day by a mile, a non-starter of a talking point.)

    On out of contact players e.g. Rotham, Witherden, Jones: "We're still working through what it looks like from a list point of view, and how many selections we'll want to have, and players that may come in and potentially may go out. You might want to give a coach an opportunity to look at these guys."

    On Harley Reid: "We've had discussions most of the year with his management group. I think it sits in a really good place. We're open to doing really whatever they want to do to be honest. We're really confident in building the right system around Harley, on and off field, to make sure that he's really comfortable, that he's going to play his best footy, and his long term future."

    On Jake Waterman's new deal: "Yep, really close. We're working really closely with his management on that. I expect that we'll have something done pretty soon."

    On Oscar Allen: "We've been talking with Oscar and his manager most of the year on that one. We're going through some stuff at the moment. I think we'll be ok with that one."




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A deal I’d do with North

Big bid for Josh Rotham which nets us pick 5.
Eagles trade pick picks 13,26,30 for Zac Fisher (Barass compo plus 26)
North trade pick 13,26,30 for Houston (Port cover some of Houston’s salary)

So deal is

Eagles get pick 5 and Zac Fisher for 13,26,30
North get Houston and Rotham for Zac Fisher
Port get 13,26,30 for Houston

North giving up 2 mill on salary space over 5 years basically to get Houston for cheap . Eagles take on Zac Fisher plus dump a ton of picks to get pick 5 as Thanks . Port gets picks to get trades done.

Fisher would be a good pickup for us to fill a need. I’d trade future 2nd to get back in then 30s also
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How does Port get our pick 30 :D

Big hole in that
Two holes actually. Pick 30 from the Barrass trade and something else in the Baker trade, seeing as this suggestion would effectively be 13 for Baker + Port's F4.
 
The Age rankings/mock draft (https://archive.md/uM2zx) make for interesting reading, esp given they say they've spoken to 12 recruiters or list managers this week. West Coast preferences are mentioned a few times (draper, TT, hynes) so I presume we are one of the 12.
If we are heavily into draper as reported and he's expected to make it to 6-7ish, certainly wouldn't surprise to see us trade back even if it only nets us a late 1st rounder or early second. Late first rounder could be used on Baker & retain 14.
Also it says a lot of clubs rate Murphy Reid only mid to late first-round
Draper at 10, they correctly pointed out his skills and decision making as below the other contenders. That combined with his small stature and back makes me want WC to steer well clear
 
People suggesting band 1 compo for Rotham.

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A deal I’d do with North

Big bid for Josh Rotham which nets us pick 5.
Eagles trade pick picks 13,26,30 for Zac Fisher (Barass compo plus 26)
North trade pick 13,26,30 for Houston (Port cover some of Houston’s salary)

So deal is

Eagles get pick 5 and Zac Fisher for 13,26,30
North get Houston and Rotham for Zac Fisher
Port get 13,26,30 for Houston

North giving up 2 mill on salary space over 5 years basically to get Houston for cheap . Eagles take on Zac Fisher plus dump a ton of picks to get pick 5 as Thanks . Port gets picks to get trades done.

Fisher would be a good pickup for us to fill a need. I’d trade future 2nd to get back in then 30s also



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So ESPN saying Langford finished equal with FOS and Jagga in the 2km at 6:25. That is an incredible effort from him and he obviously worked very hard on his tank this year. Just went up in my book.

eaglespremiers can you confirm that report is correct?
Yep, if my stopwatch was accurate.
And for those who want to know about the other Bendigo boys.
Archer Day-Wicks took out his heat in 6 minutes and 33 seconds, Jobe Shanahan ran 6 minutes and 40 seconds (which I think was basically what Jack Whitlock ran) and James Barrat ran 6 minutes and 53 seconds.
 
Not sure on what grounds the AFL could step in tbh
Not like they can say "Sorry, that's too much to pay for Graham, he's shit, no deal"
And if they object to us walking baker to the psd, then they're effectively saying the psd shouldn't exist. Except it does.....
Paying Graham enough for band 1 is not enough for us to get Baker for free .

Pick 2 for Graham and Baker?

**** that its not let's all bend over backwards to help Richmond month
 
How much attention do the clubs really pay to the draft combine?

Quite a lot actually.

In an even year such as this one, combine results can become what steers final decisions in the make up of club draft boards.


They are a valuable piece of data in assessing potential ceiling, based off various biometric models.

They can also provide some evidence of the work ethic of the prospect - high endurance results, or indeed large improvements from previous tests, are indicative of hard work that entails a high degree of dedication that should transfer well into a professional environment.

Further to this, but just as importantly, the combine provides a valuable insight into the psychology of prospects - their competitiveness, demeanour when placed outside of comfort zones, how they handle all the egos and cameras.


Clubs aren't able to conduct their own physical testing (officially, they aren't even allowed to ask about weight anymore), so the combine becomes an important piece of evidentiary information to backup or counter opinions that have been formed through match-watching and interviews.
 
It's no more idiotic than paying band 1 salary to Graham
Norf got pick 3 as compensation for that spud Mackay last year. He'd never won a F&B in all the years he was the there.
He got a deal that was hugely front ended to make him look like a huge loss to Norf.
Why shouldn't we get similar compensation for a package that includes Rotham and Witherden
 
How much attention do the clubs really pay to the draft combine?
Depends if a player is a fringe option or not.
For Bendigo I don't think it will matter for Travaglia, Shanahan and Barrat who are now all well entrenched options.
And Day-Wicks running a 6 minute and 33 second 2 km trial is great because he should excel at the sprint, agility and vertical and running jump. So he may be pushed up draft calculations slightly but we're talking a few spots, not whole rounds.
 
Saints have a big whinge and are stuck in mediocrity so the AFL decided to gift them pick 8. Now they have to give everyone else band 1 or 2 that are comparable.
Amateur hour. Should be no compo picks before end of round 2. First two rounds should be protected. Draft is meant to be an equalisation method but it's broken at this point.

I liked someone else’s suggestion of getting to prelist one academy/FS player a year and the rest are free game. If teams want more then one of their academy prospects then DRAFT them.
Protect the first two rounds of the draft from academy and compo picks.
 
West Coast clearly have to improve their team defence. It looks like steps are being taken to improve the midfield structure bringing in more defensive minded mids. But if McQualter wants pressure across the field he will need at least 3 aggressive small fwds to do this, because if the opponent can get easy rebound off half back the whole defensive system falls apart. The problem is outside of Long, the West Coast forwards are incapable of putting that pressure on consistently throughout a game.

So for the 3 small fwd spots they are picking from - Long, Cripps, Brockman, Petch, Rawlinson and maybe Champion. That group will struggle to defend the forward 50. Mids like Kelly, Reid, Hewett will spend time fwd but there is no defence with them. And there will be one spot for a midsized forward which Dewar, Hutchinson and Ryan will be competing for alongside the 3 talls.

Trading Ryan out is the way to go. Last year Carlton offered a pick that would of given West Coast Cooper Simpson. This is the option West Coast need to go for this year. Trade Ryan and use the pick on a quick aggressive hard working small fwd. Make defence a non-negotiable and mold young forwards into a competitive unit.

You would also look at the fact that Ryan putting up some awful efforts at the end of the season under Schofield someone he has a past relationship with. So if he won't compete for Schofield what chance has McQualter got of getting anything out of him.
 

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