List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Barrybran]

Owes will get a game all season long ahead of Noah long as a forward pocket.. why because he is a specialist forward pocket whereas Long is in undersized midfielder who was chucked in the forward pocket to try and learn it in one of Simpsons moves. He isn’t a long kick, a great kick at goal and in 20 odd games has kicked 9 goals in total… no way in the world he plays there ahead of Owies.


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Hard to disagree with any of that.

Schlong was indeed a mid but also had to cut his teeth as a small at U18 level though, due to their talent in the mid and him returning from injury, it wasn't just under Simpson. Even though we all know it was one of Simpsons favourite moves trying to turn mids into small forwards. Worsfold too actually.

Owies starts ahead of him every day of the week. Speciality goal sneak midget in his footy prime is a no brainer over what Schlong has produced and the fact he's coming back from injury.

Brockman I think could play further up the ground. Might get the prick involved more. Wing or HFF. Likewise Dewar. Don't expect either to be playing round 1 though.

Petch should legit be in the bin at this point, Rawlinson needs to do something substantial in the WAFL so not in the convo for mine.

If Owies gets a game it should be alongside Long, not instead of him. In no world should Owies be selected ahead of Long, who has shown himself as capable at the level and should be given every opportunity to develop. I'm more than happy to see Long play up the field but it should be at AFL level, not WAFL.

 

[WAFClatfd]

At least 10 years away.

Better just trade out Harley then. He is too old for our next premiership tilt.

Lol.

Bedwetters with NFI.

Far from bed wetter champ just have a more realistic view of where we are at. Get them rose coloured glasses off. We are a long way off.

 

[Obeanie1]

Far from bed wetter champ just have a more realistic view of where we are at. Get them rose coloured glasses off. We are a long way off.

10 years is an entire career.

A club can turn over 80 players across 10 years.

So in effect sacking the entire current squad. And THEN sacking the next 40 player squad again. Before contending. So why dont you take a moment to digest that thought.

And if we are as bad as your defeatist poor bugger us mindset predicts we will be selecting players at the top of the draft.

Its bed wetting. Defeatist attitude.

If you really think this way maybe go support the purples.

 

[ghostbat12]

Yep. Old Mate Philly told on himself:

Only one of those years was I directly on the clubs books
for someone who runs an independent consultancy contracted to clubs
Oh and my weakness is junior talent evaluation
I'm not even directly involved in whom the club drafts this year

Oh I was talking about your post. There was a lot of statements there and accusations. Just looking what facts you had on that.

Looks like none.

 

[Obeanie1]

If Owies gets a game it should be alongside Long, not instead of him. In no world should Owies be selected ahead of Long, who has shown himself as capable at the level and should be given every opportunity to develop. I'm more than happy to see Long play up the field but it should be at AFL level, not WAFL.

One of the obvious reasons Owies, Graham and Baker were brought in was yo lift our running capacity over 4 quarters. To achieve that those guys already know what to do off field training hard and looking after themselves.

We are lifting the floor, as it has been put, both on field with more running power. And off field by setting the example. Young kids unless they are eliete dont have that endurance base or professional training standard developed yet.

It takes time to develop this base. The players added provide it and get us more competitive giving the kids an opportunity to develop AFL standards whilst winning. Not getting flogged by 100 points.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Just want to point out that Team Yellow smashed Team Dry Sheets during trade week.

Might need a new insult.

 

[Dark Sharks]

If Owies gets a game it should be alongside Long, not instead of him. In no world should Owies be selected ahead of Long, who has shown himself as capable at the level and should be given every opportunity to develop. I'm more than happy to see Long play up the field but it should be at AFL level, not WAFL.

Agree. I feel like Schlong has enough runs on the board funnily enough that he'll be borderline straight back in, don't think he's ever played WAFL?.

Both will play in the same side.

FF: Owies Allen Waterman
HF: Cripps Jilliams Ryan

INT: Long (rotates with Cripps & Ryan)


Probably a bit more to it than that, with a couple rotating through mid and hopefully Kelly rotating through the HFF, but you get my point.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Oh I was talking about your post. There was a lot of statements there and accusations. Just looking what facts you had on that.

Looks like none.

You make up your own mind mate. Just as there's people here who lap up what Old Mate Philly says, there's other people silently rolling their eyes because they know it's BS.

Let's agree to disagree and let people have their own opinions on it. Time to move on.

 

[Keys]

Someone’s in here setting fire to chump change with a bunsen burner

 

[Barrybran]

One of the obvious reasons Owies, Graham and Baker were brought in was yo lift our running capacity over 4 quarters. To achieve that those guys already know what to do off field training hard and looking after themselves.

We are lifting the floor, as it has been put, both on field with more running power. And off field by setting the example. Young kids unless they are eliete dont have that endurance base or professional training standard developed yet.

It takes time to develop this base. The players added provide it and get us more competitive giving the kids an opportunity to develop AFL standards whilst winning. Not getting flogged by 100 points.

I get this. I'm not knocking the recruitment of Owies as he has been a pretty handy player over the last couple of years and the club sees a role for him. All I am saying is that it shouldn't come at the expense of Long, who has demonstrated an ability at AFL level. If he comes in for Brockman, I'm all for it.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

I would be more inclined to get Archer Reid and Harry Barnett into the backline and start getting games into them.

Reid's shown a lot of promise as a forward at WAFL, so we should be playing him there at AFL level for now.
Maybe he can be a swingman in the future like Hunter.
Our future tall forward setup should be Reid, Allen and Waterman.
Not too sure where that leaves Jack Williams, but it's a good problem to have competition for spots.
Barnett being developed there would be more of a hail mary as he seemingly may not make it as a ruckman and is still signed til 2026. Similar to Jamo being tried there.

 

[Godfather32]

One of the obvious reasons Owies, Graham and Baker were brought in was yo lift our running capacity over 4 quarters. To achieve that those guys already know what to do off field training hard and looking after themselves.

We are lifting the floor, as it has been put, both on field with more running power. And off field by setting the example. Young kids unless they are eliete dont have that endurance base or professional training standard developed yet.

It takes time to develop this base. The players added provide it and get us more competitive giving the kids an opportunity to develop AFL standards whilst winning. Not getting flogged by 100 points.

So we've replaced Simmo's credits crew with McQualter's raise the floor posse.
Hopefully this works out better

 

[VicBased]

I get this. I'm not knocking the recruitment of Owies as he has been a pretty handy player over the last couple of years and the club sees a role for him. All I am saying is that it shouldn't come at the expense of Long, who has demonstrated an ability at AFL level. If he comes in for Brockman, I'm all for it.

I am one who has his hand up for what the club is putting into action.
Bringing in players who are battle hardened premiership players and have been at the top and know what it takes to stay there.
Hell, I would have even taken on Dusty if it was part of the deal.
Let's be real here we need a new plan to get us back to winning ways and if the Richmond (and Owies) crew can do that for Longy and our future young guns then let's get on with it.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

I get this. I'm not knocking the recruitment of Owies as he has been a pretty handy player over the last couple of years and the club sees a role for him. All I am saying is that it shouldn't come at the expense of Long, who has demonstrated an ability at AFL level. If he comes in for Brockman, I'm all for it.

Certainly it seems overkill to bring in 3 players that can play as forwards.
The hope is that they won't be taking a young player's spot but will be just filling in the gaps and providing leadership, no matter what position they play. Owies will obviously play forward, but Baker and Graham could play other roles.

 

[Bacchus]

I think Brockman is a talented player who should be given time to develop his game. Obviously didn’t have a great year last year but nor did a lot of recruits from other teams in their first year(s) cf Jetta, Redden, Wellingham.

Think he would be a better player if he is not pin holed in a fp or hff. Needs more space and freedom.
Showed in the WAFL that he was far above the level and most of the other reserve players.
Was running into a bit of form when good guy C Cameron accidentally stood on his leg and cut short his season.

Will be interested to see what the new coach can do with him and a lot of other players.
Everything had become very stale under the former coach.

 

[Keys]

Certainly it seems overkill to bring in 3 players that can play as forwards.
The hope is that they won't be taking a young player's spot but will be just filling in the gaps and providing leadership, no matter what position they play. Owies will obviously play forward, but Baker and Graham could play other roles.

Graham I suspect will be primarily midfield

Baker more HB/midfield

But that’s a guess

 

[Dark Sharks]

Brockman is very talented.

Which makes him all the more disappointing. In theory he'd be playing round 1 and you'd be expecting big things from a 4th yr player with his talent... but gee whiz he was arguably worse than Flynn in his first season for WCE, and that's saying something. Both sucked.

Dewar produced so much more with less games, which is why Brockspud can start in the WAFL and earn his place. He had chance after chance last year and failed to fire every time.

 

[InTheWings]

A few people (Clarke included) have said we could trade future picks to get back into this year's first round.

Richmond currently has six top-20 picks (1, 6, 10, 11, 18, 20). If we did trade back in, what would we have to give up to get Richmond's pick #6?

 

[mat11]

One of the obvious reasons Owies, Graham and Baker were brought in was yo lift our running capacity over 4 quarters. To achieve that those guys already know what to do off field training hard and looking after themselves.

We are lifting the floor, as it has been put, both on field with more running power. And off field by setting the example. Young kids unless they are eliete dont have that endurance base or professional training standard developed yet.

It takes time to develop this base. The players added provide it and get us more competitive giving the kids an opportunity to develop AFL standards whilst winning. Not getting flogged by 100 points.

The club didn't need owies we have depth in that area, he was bought in as steak knives and ultimately we lost our 4th rounders with it.

Graham isn't even that good and injury prone. His gf heroics were several years ago and he was just a beneficiary of a stacked team. Similar to flynn last year, we will hear how big a pre season he has had and what he will bring to the club, come crunch time we'll see just another plodder.

Baker is the only good pickup but holy shit did we really have to pay the farm for him.

We are going to throw potentially 3 firsts at Warner next year because we over payed for tk some years ago and overlooked a stack of talent in the short term draft. In a few years time we will be doing the exact same thing because we payed too much for baker.


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[Godfather32]

A few people (Clarke included) have said we could trade future picks to get back into this year's first round.

Richmond currently has six top-20 picks (1, 6, 10, 11, 18, 20). If we did trade back in, what would we have to give up to get Richmond's pick #6?

Probably our future 1st and a future 2nd

 

[ghostbat12]

You make up your own mind mate. Just as there's people here who lap up what Old Mate Philly says, there's other people silently rolling their eyes because they know it's BS.

Let's agree to disagree and let people have their own opinions on it. Time to move on.

Most people take it on as interesting info, knowing that there is a level of uncertainty that can only be filled with hindsight.

You seem to get overly hurt about these things. If you want things upfront black and white and 100% accurate so your feelings aren’t hurt, recommend simply watching reruns of previously seen movies. You would be in safe space then.

 

[ghostbat12]

Far from bed wetter champ just have a more realistic view of where we are at. Get them rose coloured glasses off. We are a long way off.

I trade stocks and whenever people crack the shits and go into a panic rampage of hate about a stock, you know the bottom is in.

Calling it bitches. Insanity has reached peak levels, which means we are on the way up from here.

 

[Goomba1973]

Reid's shown a lot of promise as a forward at WAFL, so we should be playing him there at AFL level for now.
Maybe he can be a swingman in the future like Hunter.
Our future tall forward setup should be Reid, Allen and Waterman.
Not too sure where that leaves Jack Williams, but it's a good problem to have competition for spots.
Barnett being developed there would be more of a hail mary as he seemingly may not make it as a ruckman and is still signed til 2026. Similar to Jamo being tried there.

Barnett has some very good athletic qualities and gets around the ground very well. Yes we need to develop him as a ruck, and if we use him as a third tall in the backline we can games and ruck time into him. Reid is a forward no doubt but many forwards craft improves with time spent in the backline, and we need to get games into him. I think Jamesion is more the odd one out more than Jack Williams. We might be a bit too tall .

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Hawks F1 and our F2 for a top 10 pick this year?

Can't see anyone doing that - Carltons F1 and F2 was worth pick 14

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Probably our future 1st and a future 2nd

Surely our own F1 would be enough for pick 6 since that's likely to be a top 5 pick.