List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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• Monday, November 25, 2024 – Thursday, December 19, 2024
• Monday, January 13, 2025 – Friday, February 21, 2025

Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[amazingjoshy]

While you’re correct, I struggle to recall any player improving their general kicking once drafted. Especially if it’s as Bog average as Allans.

Is his kicking even a problem?

Bo Allan Draft Profile

Peel Thunder premiership player Bo Allan is WA's top draft prospect, and led his state ferociously in an expectation-exceeding campaign.

central.rookieme.com

STRENGTHS:
+ Kick penetration

From half-back he offers run and carry, coupled with clean ball use by foot and great vision to pick off targets at speed.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

We’re not talking Ainsworth levels here

 

[WCE777]

What if one of Rodriguez and Curtin end up being Tstsas and DGB? With Warner you are de-risking your picks.

why not do both?
Use draft capital to get Warner and draft Freddy and Curtin.
Have all the 2025 & 2026 & 2027 draft capital next year to play with.
Warner Hawks 1st & WC F1st.
Leaves WC 1st, WC 2nd, Hawks 2nd, Hawks 3rd to draft to draft Rodriguez, Curtin and 3 FS NGAs, just need the capital to pick wherever they fall.
Rodriguez 1st round, Curtin 1st round, Walley 2nd, Banfield 2nd, Evans 3rd?
If Curtin doesn't get to WC 2nd just need to trade in another 1st round pick from GC etc. using 2026/27 draft capital.
It doesn't fill in our list but most likely does for more multiple 18yo picks in next 3 drafts, WC will be bottom heavy with very young squad, next phase 2026 and beyond, FA & trade in players to fill in list needs.

 

[plays tall 1]

Rodriguez more impressive than Whan IMHO

 

[Happy Mastenator]

why not do both?
Use draft capital to get Warner and draft Freddy and Curtin.
Have all the 2025 & 2026 & 2027 draft capital next year to play with.
Warner Hawks 1st & WC F1st.
Leaves WC 1st, WC 2nd, Hawks 2nd, Hawks 3rd to draft to draft Rodriguez, Curtin and 3 FS NGAs, just need the capital to pick wherever they fall.
Rodriguez 1st round, Curtin 1st round, Walley 2nd, Banfield 2nd, Evans 3rd?
If Curtin doesn't get to WC 2nd just need to trade in another 1st round pick from GC etc. using 2026/27 draft capital.
It doesn't fill in our list but most likely does for more multiple 18yo picks in next 3 drafts, WC will be bottom heavy with very young squad, next phase 2026 and beyond, FA & trade in players to fill in list needs.

I made no comment on whether to get them or not. Just that a known player has value that must be considered due to the exposed form when measuring against a draft pick.

 

[No Hassle Hough]

It is going to be difficult to force a good trade for Oscar.

Reason being, we don't want to match a 7+ year contract, as Oscar will accept this and stay with WCE.

Then the only way a trade happens, is if both clubs benefit.

Worst case scenario is he goes to Sydney on a 7+ yr deal. We then trade the compo pick for Warner.

Sydney lose Warner but gain Oscar and pick 3 - 5. Sydney make out like bandits there.

 

[Barrybran]

It is going to be difficult to force a good trade for Oscar.

Reason being, we don't want to match a 7+ year contract, as Oscar will accept this and stay with WCE.

Then the only way a trade happens, is if both clubs benefit.

Worst case scenario is he goes to Sydney on a 7+ yr deal. We then trade the compo pick for Warner.

Sydney lose Warner but gain Oscar and pick 3 - 5. Sydney make out like bandits there.

It would be tough to lose Oscar but to get Warner with both 2025 first rounders plus our 2026 first rounder intact would be good business.

 

[WCE_phil]

Starcevich is a good player however I have no idea why people think he's worth chasing. He's 100% not a list need. The last thing we need is a mid sized lockdown defender who is neither fast or a great kick. Great player, team man and role player but not worth chasing.

 

[Wce17]

It would be tough to lose Oscar but to get Warner with both 2025 first rounders plus our 2026 first rounder intact would be good business.

The club should come first these days so would be happy with that.

Additionally if the club knows or thinks Reid won’t stay I’d be listening to offers this year. Would be better getting picks for 2025 if 2026 is going to be compromised with tassie.

 

[WCE_phil]

Is his kicking even a problem?

Bo Allan Draft Profile

Peel Thunder premiership player Bo Allan is WA's top draft prospect, and led his state ferociously in an expectation-exceeding campaign.

central.rookieme.com

STRENGTHS:
+ Kick penetration

From half-back he offers run and carry, coupled with clean ball use by foot and great vision to pick off targets at speed.

He has good penetration and depth on his kicking however his kicking is more like Yeo's in that it's more to an area than a greatly placed kick like Hurn or Jetta etc.

He's a good kick, not a great kick. What is great is he is able to kick at speed. His other kicking weakness tends to be on the shorter stop and prop kicks but I think that will improve with time, experience and decision making.

 

[Barrybran]

The club should come first these days so would be happy with that.

Additionally if the club knows or thinks Reid won’t stay I’d be listening to offers this year. Would be better getting picks for 2025 if 2026 is going to be compromised with tassie.

I don't mind if the club wants to extend Allen. He's the club captain and a top 5 KPF in the league. I just think we should have an honest conversation with him and play the game on this one. If we sign him to a reasonable contract and don't get the free pick, it will be because we think Allen is worth more than that free pick. But seeing as picks 2 and 3 should net us Warner and another elite mid for the next 10-15 years, we shouldn't be extending him prematurely.

If Reid goes, we'll get a bounty of picks anyway. Tell his manager we want Tassie's picks and let them figure out the rest. Ideally, Harley will see the benefits of playing in WA and leave any move until later in his career when he's grown up a bit and hopefully won a flag for us.

 

[WCE777]

I made no comment on whether to get them or not. Just that a known player has value that must be considered due to the exposed form when measuring against a draft pick.

100% agree with your thoughts on a known player.
Draftees only have slightly better than 50% strike rate of making it.
That's why I went on to elaborate.
WC strategy of hitting the draft has been dramatic the last 3 years and apart from filling a couple of list needs the drafting strategy will have to change to FA & trade targets after this year to balance the youth and experience part of the list, after Warner is brought to the club.
WC know this, that's why the traded 3 players of that range in this year.
It was just my opinion on where I see our future strategy.

 

[THE A5]

Is his kicking even a problem?

Bo Allan Draft Profile

Peel Thunder premiership player Bo Allan is WA's top draft prospect, and led his state ferociously in an expectation-exceeding campaign.

central.rookieme.com

STRENGTHS:
+ Kick penetration

From half-back he offers run and carry, coupled with clean ball use by foot and great vision to pick off targets at speed.

Feel like it’ll be exposed at AFL level. He also comes across as one sided as Gaff was

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Starcevich is a good player however I have no idea why people think he's worth chasing. He's 100% not a list need. The last thing we need is a mid sized lockdown defender who is neither fast or a great kick. Great player, team man and role player but not worth chasing.

I think people are keen as he would theoretically be free it terms of having to outlay draft capital (if we weren't getting free agency compo ourselves which would be impacted by picking him up).

Having said that, is stepping up from a passable small defender on say $400k to Starc at ~$900k a good way to spend money? As you say, he's purely a lockdown defender, he's not an interceptor, not a line break via speed or kicking.

 

[WCE_phil]

I think people are keen as he would theoretically be free it terms of having to outlay draft capital (if we weren't getting free agency compo ourselves which would be impacted by picking him up).

Having said that, is stepping up from a passable small defender on say $400k to Starc at ~$900k a good way to spend money? As you say, he's purely a lockdown defender, he's not an interceptor, not a line break via speed or kicking.

If you look at the squad and in particularly the youth we already have Hough, Ginbey, Maric as well as now potentially Allan and Grego down there (especially early on in their careers) on top of older players who can play the role like Cole & Duggan. On top of that Baker will almost certainly be playing back.

So many better ways to spend that salary cap, particularly with how long a deal would have to be offered, it's just not worth pursuing imo.

 

[Into The Black]

Feel like it’ll be exposed at AFL level. He also comes across as one sided as Gaff was

That's what worries me the most. I find it hard to believe players get to this level being one sided.

 

[WCE777]

If you look at the squad and in particularly the youth we already have Hough, Ginbey, Maric as well as now potentially Allan and Grego down there (especially early on in their careers) on top of older players who can play the role like Cole & Duggan. On top of that Baker will almost certainly be playing back.

So many better ways to spend that salary cap, particularly with how long a deal would have to be offered, it's just not worth pursuing imo.

great insight, can't disagree.
Who would be your top priority after Warner in the next 2 years, or beyond?
Considering 2025 draftees, probably 5 makes WC list very young and in need of some senior experience?

 

[bzparkes]

That's what worries me the most. I find it hard to believe players get to this level being one sided.

Dangerfield won a Brownlow being no-sided.

It can happen.

 

[kingerzz]

I think the Allen situation is pretty straight forward for us. With the quality of the depth we have, his injury history / recent diagnosis and the value of the compensation we'll get if he signs elsewhere (likely top 5 pick) we just sit and wait.

Offer him the 5 years on slightly discounted terms whether that's $900k whatever we think is prudent plus bonuses for performance. If he signs great we've got a quality person and player long term who loves the club.

If he doesn't then we get great compensation, have the cap space to use elsewhere (Warner for example) and more opportunity for A.Reid and Shanahan to step up.

We hold all the cards here - just sit tight and wait.

We need to be smarter and use the system where it works in our favour.

 

[ghostbat12]

How long will Brisbane’s Tom Cole be debated on this board?

Don’t want. Use money to hold Reid.

 

[Into The Black]

Dangerfield won a Brownlow being no-sided.

It can happen.

It can, have to be pretty elite at most everything else I guess. Just thought training your non dominant side was a thing that was drilled into players in juniors. It was when I was in juniors.

 

[bzparkes]

It can, have to be pretty elite at most everything else I guess. Just thought training your non dominant side was a thing that was drilled into players in juniors. It was when I was in juniors.

You'd think so.

Even if it wasn't a major training focus, you'd think players would try to develop it on their own anyway.

Being dual-sided is a major advantage.

 

[THE A5]

That's what worries me the most. I find it hard to believe players get to this level being one sided.

Gaff was a pick 3. Feel like this has been such an issue for so long. Swear to god back in the 2000’s and even before(didn’t grow up watching footy then) majority of players could kick on both sides of the body.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

It is going to be difficult to force a good trade for Oscar.

Reason being, we don't want to match a 7+ year contract, as Oscar will accept this and stay with WCE.

Then the only way a trade happens, is if both clubs benefit.

Worst case scenario is he goes to Sydney on a 7+ yr deal. We then trade the compo pick for Warner.

Sydney lose Warner but gain Oscar and pick 3 - 5. Sydney make out like bandits there.

Allen and 3 for Warner is a no. Why would we do that??

Allen for Warner straight swap

 

[amazingjoshy]

Allen and 3 for Warner is a no. Why would we do that??

Allen for Warner straight swap

In that scenario 3 is the Allen compo pick, which we then trade for Warner

So we lose Allen and get Warner

Sydney lose Warner and get Allen and pick 3