List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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SSP signing dates

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• Monday, November 25, 2024 – Thursday, December 19, 2024
• Monday, January 13, 2025 – Friday, February 21, 2025

Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[stallon]

We have done well in the MSD recently. Seeing who has improved in the second tier comps for half a season is why we would consider waiting.

Just starting the beagles off with 1 less player if we wait, always a chance we get another LTI by mid season anyway

We need another 200cm plus mature ruckman. Either as short term to provide depth or as a longer term project to hopefully find a player.

We have Flynn, Bailey, and if really desperate Jamo can fill in as a ruckman for a couple of games.
If Flynn stays fit then we are all good

Mightve been nice to get a Preuss type over for a year or 2 to fight for the AFL ruck spot or to go to the beagles and throw his weight around, obviously injury risks there too but between Flynn and Preuss surely we get one available most weeks lol

 

[Choogler]

by f1 you mean the 2026 picks right?

If we get our f/s and 2 NGA kids(Evans as a rookie), 2x Warners, and 1x 1st round pick, thats 6 list additions. If we add 1 other player from wherever trade or FA or something, thats 6 main list changes and 1 rookie. Any MSD pick would replace the rookie.

We would need to delist 7.
Sheed, Hunt?, Jamo, Cripps(retire?) and Petch is 5, plus Rawlinson as a rookie is 6. Starting to cut deep.

Need to pick 1 from Chesser, Cole and Bazzo to delist or move on too. Idk if id be rushing to delist any of these guys at the end of this year unless we see something that seriously lowers their values. A trade for a future pick for Chesser or Cole?
Or we pay somebody out, Brockman the only one id consider at this stage from the 2026 OOC crop.

We need to be in Chad's ear right now, saying we will pay you handsomely and offer a fair deal but if the swans start asking for stupid amounts are you willing to go to the draft / psd route assuming it's low risk Richmond pull the trigger.

Hawks R1 and our 2026 F1 is the absolute most we should pay.

On Oscar, if other clubs trigger band 1 compo for him, then we need to go the Ben McKay route and let him go.

I expect us to finish second last so that's pick 3 right there.

Given his knee problem, I'd be agreeing that we don't go overboard to retain him on a really long term contract.

The other unknown in all this is whether Harley stays or goes. If he decides to go, we should know pre-2025 draft so we trade him as a contracted player. That would deliver at the bare minimum a couple more first rounders and maybe an F1 (2026). Get Warner and still have plenty of the farm unsold! Warner and a couple of 1st rounders to boot, plus our FS, & Academy kids. It could be Richmondesque... if we need to create list space then consider Bailey Williams and Barnett depending on how they they go in 2025.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I’m finding it really difficult to give credence to posts that are speculating on our understanding of 23 years and who gets delisted come season end.

A year in development (especially for talls) is crucial.

Lycett Cox JK etc took time.

Apart from Jamieson and more to do with unable to stay on the park, we need to stay patient

 

[Choogler]

Is Dodson going to be good at AFL level year 1 probably not. If we're intent on Drafting our way to a good Ruck we have to be ready to wait on them for 3-7 years. Conventional wisom is that rucks are typically only hitting their strides at around 23-25 years old. The exception of course is the ruck with a huge physical advantage 212cm+ or the elite jumping ruck like NicNat.

Not in year 1 but I think he will be a very good player. Only recently decided to focus on footy and seems a fast learner becoming AA U18 Ruckman in 2024. Barnett doesn't seem to do that well at WAFL level and I really don't rate BW at all. Having watched him extremely closely for the past couple of seasons, he is athletically quite gifted, but I don't think he
has much footy IQ and just continues to get outthought at the ruck contests.
We need to get someone else into our system to develop and in the meantime we need Flynn to stand up.

 

[Choogler]

Trade Barnett maybe?

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and Bailey

 

[Choogler]

We have done well in the MSD recently. Seeing who has improved in the second tier comps for half a season is why we would consider waiting.

We need another 200cm plus mature ruckman. Either as short term to provide depth or as a longer term project to hopefully find a player.

I was hoping when we passed on Dodson, we take Knobel, in the rookie draft, from under FD nose like GC did, or even grab a more mature wrecking ball like Brayden Crossley

 

[Rowan18]

He was our second attempt

That year in the MSD we took Will Collins with our first pick, then West with our second

Easy to understand why that would be forgotten, especially when you consider we could have taken Nic Martin

Hasn't Will Collins become a good player in the WAFL? Maybe the talent was there but he needed a few more years to develop physically.

 

[Choogler]

Well that is one of the silliest posts Ive read from you Briz.

How did the Lions get Daniher and Dunkley?

Dangerfield to Cats?

It all comes down to who wants the player and how bad.

And sweeping statements like the one you just made. Very easy to prove historically incorrect.

I actually agree with him because, and this is why I disagree with the FA system, clubs want the player for nothing, they don't want to give up anything! In the Dangerfield case he was arguably the best player in the comp and Adelaid finis 6 so the comp pick would have been 14, seriously undervalue so Adelaide matched happy to keep him. I'm also pretty certain Dangerfield wanted to ensure Adelaide were compensated and and pick 9, 28 and a player represented better value. Similar situation with Cameron, an absolutely elite player in the comp that GWS were never going to take pick 10 compensation for. They ended up with 3 firsts for him.
That wouldnt happen with Oscar given his injury issues and degenerative knee.

 

[WCE_phil]

I actually agree with him because, and this is why I disagree with the FA system, clubs want the player for nothing, they don't want to give up anything! In the Dangerfield case he was arguably the best player in the comp and Adelaid finis 6 so the comp pick would have been 14, seriously undervalue so Adelaide matched happy to keep him. I'm also pretty certain Dangerfield wanted to ensure Adelaide were compensated and and pick 9, 28 and a player represented better value. Similar situation with Cameron, an absolutely elite player in the comp that GWS were never going to take pick 10 compensation for. They ended up with 3 firsts for him.
That wouldnt happen with Oscar given his injury issues and degenerative knee.

We managed a F1+F2+F3 for a now 29 year old Tom Barrass who has a back far worse than Allen's knee and Tom has a neck issue as well.

Don't underestimate what teams will pay if they actively hunt a player, it's very regularly overs whilst overlooking medical issues.

Out of the mouth of Don this year, 'Tommy 100% wouldn't have passed the Swans medical'

 

[triplegee]

Yes, the Hawks certainly followed through on their commitment to Tom.

Loving the first like!

 

[Dark Sharks]

Okily dokily

 

[bzparkes]

Love it how they make it sound like it's a Matt Clarke decision when they would've reported directly to Massey, and it probably came from Pyke.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Pyke: To keep your job, define a midfielder

Nek minnut

 

[Wooshaaaa]

If Sheed can’t ramp up his loading we could also give him the option of going onto the LTI list before the SSP closes. Although if we did then take both Burgiel and Brock via the SSP then Sheed could only come back and play if another player was placed onto the LTI list.

Well that's a fait accompli!

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[Schtinker]

The Eagles revealed on Thursday that ruckmen Bailey Williams (hamstring) and Harry Barnett (calf) have sustained strains and will be on light duties in the next few weeks.

Meanwhile, luckless defender Harry Edwards has been diagnosed with bone stress in his foot and will be put in a protective boot as a precaution for the short term.

 

[Patron]

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unless Barnett grows an extra leg, and Flynn stays fit, our biggest hole is a competitive ruckman. Disappointed that we didn't grab Dodson in the draft.

So was I at first, but what’s not to love about grego, cult figure written all over him.


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[southjoy]

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Okily dokily

Any chance someone has this. Can;t read because of paywall.

 

[Tugga27]

Any chance someone has this. Can;t read because of paywall.

It's in the media subforum.

 

[stallon]

If for whatever reason Harry Edwards misses games in 2025, what do we think of running with a trio of Bazzo, Gov and Maric as the 3 defensive talls? None are a true full back, they probably all want to be a 2nd or 3rd tall.
It'd make it easier to get Bazzo into the side if we went with it.
Bazzo vs Jamo or Brock(if signed), id definitely prefer Bazzo

Might be matchup dependent

 

[Rowan18]

If for whatever reason Harry Edwards misses games in 2025, what do we think of running with a trio of Bazzo, Gov and Maric as the 3 defensive talls? None are a true full back, they probably all want to be a 2nd or 3rd tall.
It'd make it easier to get Bazzo into the side if we went with it.
Bazzo vs Jamo or Brock(if signed), id definitely prefer Bazzo

Might be matchup dependent

I think it'll be fine as long as there's enough pressure up the ground to keep D50 entries around the average.

The odd mobile tall will get hold of them, but TB and Giv were always vulnerable to those players anyway.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

If for whatever reason Harry Edwards misses games in 2025, what do we think of running with a trio of Bazzo, Gov and Maric as the 3 defensive talls? None are a true full back, they probably all want to be a 2nd or 3rd tall.
It'd make it easier to get Bazzo into the side if we went with it.
Bazzo vs Jamo or Brock(if signed), id definitely prefer Bazzo

Might be matchup dependent

Just saw on the news that Edwards has stress fractures in his foot and i am not sure if i heard this right but it sounded like they said "he will finish the season in a moon boot". Anybody else have any info on whether this is season ending for him or not?

 

[WCE777]

If for whatever reason Harry Edwards misses games in 2025, what do we think of running with a trio of Bazzo, Gov and Maric as the 3 defensive talls? None are a true full back, they probably all want to be a 2nd or 3rd tall.
It'd make it easier to get Bazzo into the side if we went with it.
Bazzo vs Jamo or Brock(if signed), id definitely prefer Bazzo

Might be matchup dependent

for sure.
Certainly makes the case for Brock for KDEF cover has played over 50 VFL games as KDEF.
Bazzo would be first up dependant on matchup, really a 3rd tall, but you could use all 3 as combination, Bazzo & Maric to rotate on and off a KFWD.
Where's Jamo at?
Haven't heard much about him training this of season?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I got a message with a follow up so I have included in orange the players that subsequently moved after a GF appearance (trade or FA)



Point I took away - get an acceptable ruck for the GF when you get close (he doesn't need to be top shelf). Better to draft a KPF and develop them yourself. Besides, KPF are hard to find and usually expensive.

 

[stallon]

I think it'll be fine as long as there's enough pressure up the ground to keep D50 entries around the average.

The odd mobile tall will get hold of them, but TB and Giv were always vulnerable to those players anyway.

Im thinking we have Ginbey as that athletic hybrid medium defender to help cover too, we might be ok on those sorts of players

 

[stallon]

for sure.
Certainly makes the case for Brock for KDEF cover has played over 50 VFL games as KDEF.
Bazzo would be first up dependant on matchup, really a 3rd tall, but you could use all 3 as combination, Bazzo & Maric to rotate on and off a KFWD.
Where's Jamo at?
Haven't heard much about him training this of season?

I think Jamo was on light duties?
I have no faith in Jamo being a KPD for us, hes really shown nothing so far.

I hope he proves me wrong but im putting him as emergency KPD or ruck depth only, if we have no other options