List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

[Keys]

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Happy Mastenator]

People seriously underrating how we'll go next year.

Even an average injury run (including Nic Nat playing 16+ games) will see us somewhere between 9 - 12. This is our floor given our home ground advantage.

I'm all for trading next years first for a top 8 pick this year (with extra's coming our way if pick is 7 or 8)

 

[Keys]

So a slightly different flavour to take to the draft

Headlines known to the public:

1. West Coast have fallen off the cliff - it came fast and will likely be at the bottom of the table for a couple of years
2. Lions have 2 father son picks this year and another in 2 years meaning they need points this year
3. Suns have a great load of good picks and high number of points this year with the prospect of losing Rankin and getting pick 4
4. Suns have been keen on Hollands to unite with brother and he is likely to be in the 12 to 18 range.

Brisbane currently have 2,182 points as they hold the following picks
14, 32, 43 and 68
Let me assume they get pick 19 compo for losing McStay and pick 38 for losing Robertson to Eagles
New Lions points equals 3,595
Ashcroft likely to go 1 and Fletcher say 20 meaning they would need 3,130 points. They are covered.

Suns as it stands have 4,101 points and if they lose Rankin and get 4, they have 6,135 points.
Losing Rankin they have picks 4, 8, 26, 31, 35, 44, 53, 67 and 71
They would dearly like to shift 3,000 plus points to 2023

West Coast to sell off their first round pick next year to the Suns. This will probably be in the top 4 for pick 4 this year so should bring in some 2,500 points. In return we get picks 4 (Rankin deal with the Crows), 14 (Suns do a trade with the Lions) and pick 44
In return we give over pick 25 and next years first

We then go to the draft with 2, 4, 14 20 and 44 plus Robertson.
2 = Wardlaw or Phillipou or Sheezel (classiest midfielder)
4 = Busslinger or Cadman (KPP)
14 = Szybkowski or MacKenzie or George or Hewett (inside or balanced midfielder)
20 = Barnett or Hustwaite or Hotton or Gibney (options)
44 = Jones or Broadbent or best available (options)

Yes I know we miss out 2023 but we get three 1st rounders this year and at 20 a very early second

Now if we hold pick 1, then we have an even stronger hand to work with Lions on to avoid the bid at 1 for Ashcroft.

Suns happy with banking very high points for 2023. They also can take Hollands at 8 and do something with some slightly later picks.

There’s more contrived outcomes there than the conclusion to GoT but if we pulled all that off that would be quite something

That haul with Chesser, Hough, Bazzo and Culley makes a group of 10 players to lead the rebuild

It’s also horribly unlikely but unadulterated hope is all we have right now

 

[Chump Change]

People seriously underrating how we'll go next year.

Even an average injury run (including Nic Nat playing 16+ games) will see us somewhere between 9 - 12. This is our floor given our home ground advantage.

I'm all for trading next years first for a top 8 pick this year (with extra's coming our way if pick is 7 or 8)

I'm not as confident.

We're definitely playing better footy. I assume we will be fitter. I also assume we will have less injuries and more continuity.

NicNat should make a difference with physicality. Yeo either onball or HBF should make a difference.

Are we going to be able to transition that ball out of defence accurately through the corridor though? And can our midfield compete? Where's our muscle? NicNat, Yeo and Culley. One maybe playing half back, one learning the trade, and NicNat playing 50%.

It could go either way but I still think we're bottom 4.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Have I mentioned we’ll be signing Darryl White jr as a cat b rookie, as he’s coming over from basketball.

Things aren’t all that roses at the Lions.

Another team would be stupid to trade for Lyons. We’d have try and give him away.

So help me here with Lyons. You got him for the 2019 season and hence this is his 4th season. It was in 2019 and 2020 that he was seen as one of the recruits of the year!

Are you telling me he is contracted for another 2 years? Was it a 6 year deal to start off with or did he recently get extended?

The guy is 30 and starting to fade rather rapidly. I can see why Robertson is wanting out.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

So help me here with Lyons. You got him for the 2019 season and hence this is his 4th season. It was in 2019 and 2020 that he was seen as one of the recruits of the year!

Are you telling me he is contracted for another 2 years? Was it a 6 year deal to start off with or did he recently get extended?

The guy is 30 and starting to fade rather rapidly. I can see why Robertson is wanting out.

Signed effectively a three-year deal in June last year (was already contracted for 2022 but added another two years onto it): Three More for Brisbane's Lyons

Good example of why it’s dangerous giving players lengthy contracts that take them into their 30s

 

[FKASC]

Winning spoons are forever.

That gets etched into club history. Never to be forgotten.


Get the * outta here with that s**t. As juicy as the pick boost is (more so getting the first pick of day 2), it's just not worth having another one of them in the trophy cabinet along with 2010.

Delete your account. Again.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Signed effectively a three-year deal in June last year (was already contracted for 2022 but added another two years onto it): Three More for Brisbane's Lyons

Ouch.

Brisbane got suckered in and brought when the stocks were high.

Maybe when Brisbane come to Optus next season (I believe they are the only side that have not played us at home yet), we can play Lyon on Gaff and play a game of "who did the worst long term contract".

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I'm not as confident.

We're definitely playing better footy. I assume we will be fitter. I also assume we will have less injuries and more continuity.

NicNat should make a difference with physicality. Yeo either onball or HBF should make a difference.

Are we going to be able to transition that ball out of defence accurately through the corridor though? And can our midfield compete? Where's our muscle? NicNat, Yeo and Culley. One maybe playing half back, one learning the trade, and NicNat playing 50%.

It could go either way but I still think we're bottom 4.

We're 99.99% certain to have a worse record than Essendon when they lost all their players to suspension:

Essendon 3-19 61%
West Coast 2-18 61%

They got all their players back and jumped back into the 8 the following year. I see no such quick fix for us.

 

[Schtinker]

Tigers pick 29. And we move on.

Straight swap for Bolton or we go to the pre se..... oh hang on.

 

[FKASC]

We're 99.99% certain to have a worse record than Essendon when they lost all their players to suspension:

Essendon 3-19 61%
West Coast 2-18 61%

They got all their players back and jumped back into the 8 the following year. I see no such quick fix for us.

That’s so bad

 

[Free Agent]

I'm not as confident.

We're definitely playing better footy. I assume we will be fitter. I also assume we will have less injuries and more continuity.

NicNat should make a difference with physicality. Yeo either onball or HBF should make a difference.

Are we going to be able to transition that ball out of defence accurately through the corridor though? And can our midfield compete? Where's our muscle? NicNat, Yeo and Culley. One maybe playing half back, one learning the trade, and NicNat playing 50%.

It could go either way but I still think we're bottom 4.

Yeah I'm not confident either. You look around the league as a whole and every team has improved. Our problem doesn't just go by injurys alone. It's a game plan issue we need to sort out. We relied for past few years on forward and defence without improving the midfield. The game today pretty much a midfielders game. We need our midfield to beat oppositions each week. I can't see how old man Gaff, Shuey, Yeo, Reddon with our only saving light in newbie Culley going up against most of the other Midfields in the league. We need to rebuild the middle for us to improve and that will take a few years

You got to compare against the top sides

Melbourne will have Gawn/Grundy
Petracca, Oliver, Brayshaw, Viney, Salem, Langdon.

Now compare our midfield and tell me where how the hell we are going to beat them let alone other opposition Midfields.

 

[Bender_]

That’s so bad

Horribly depressing.

 

[Chump Change]

They got all their players back and jumped back into the 8 the following year.

And they're still lingering. They just haven't built a strong enough list. That's what I'm mindful of - jumping to mid table, getting shit draft picks and not having a team that can seriously threaten.

 

[doggiesin08]

Apologies for the intrusion to your board …

Apparently Dogs are making a play for Barrass, however unrealistic that may be. How opposed to the below would Eagles fans be:

• Eagles and Barras renegotiate his contract to 1 year deal ending this year and then he becomes a free agent
• Dogs throw a big contract at Barrass so they get band 1 compensation (probably pick #3)

There's little precedent to renegotiated contracts to reduce in duration but there is no reason it couldn't happy other than the AFL making up rules on the run.

If that's not attractive enough I wouldn't be opposed to the Dogs also trading pick #9 (and pick #27) for Liam Duggan

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Liam Duggan

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28

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186cm

Wt

83kg

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Career

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Last 5

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15.4

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

5.3

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

283.7

4star

D

16.0

4star

K

12.0

5star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.7

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

283.7

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

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1.2

3star

with you guys picking up a chunk of his salary - completely unrelated to Barrass of course

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

And they're still lingering. They just haven't built a strong enough list. That's what I'm mindful of - jumping to mid table, getting s**t draft picks and not having a team that can seriously threaten.

We managed it in the lead up to the 2006 premiership. 2000-2001 bottom 4, 2002-2004 hovering around 8th, but that was fast tracked by a freak in Judd.

Which is why I back your call to use Pick 1/2 on the best available mid and not splitting it for multiple lesser players.

 

[Chump Change]

Apologies for the intrusion to your board …

Apparently Dogs are making a play for Barrass, however unrealistic that may be. How opposed to the below would Eagles fans be:

• Eagles and Barras renegotiate his contract to 1 year deal ending this year and then he becomes a free agent
• Dogs throw a big contract at Barrass so they get band 1 compensation (probably pick #3)

There's little precedent to renegotiated contracts to reduce in duration but there is no reason it couldn't happy other than the AFL making up rules on the run.

If that's not attractive enough I wouldn't be opposed to the Dogs also trading pick #9 (and pick #27) for Liam Duggan with you guys picking up a chunk of his salary - completely unrelated to Barrass of course

He's in AA form. If Bulldogs think he can help them to a flag, I don't have a problem with it if he wants to go and chase a flag.

As the saying goes, "if you want to trade in quality you have too give up quality".

 

[Free Agent]

Apologies for the intrusion to your board …

Apparently Dogs are making a play for Barrass, however unrealistic that may be. How opposed to the below would Eagles fans be:

• Eagles and Barras renegotiate his contract to 1 year deal ending this year and then he becomes a free agent
• Dogs throw a big contract at Barrass so they get band 1 compensation (probably pick #3)

There's little precedent to renegotiated contracts to reduce in duration but there is no reason it couldn't happy other than the AFL making up rules on the run.

If that's not attractive enough I wouldn't be opposed to the Dogs also trading pick #9 (and pick #27) for Liam Duggan with you guys picking up a chunk of his salary - completely unrelated to Barrass of course

Not a chance. Barrass right now is looking the most likely to take captaincy after Shuey. His also very happy as you can see with him taking on media press conferences for us this season, they prepping him for captaincy. This is a complete waste of time on Bulldogs end. Don't mind them asking the question but out of everyone on the Eagles list Barrass right now is probably the untouchable

 

[doggiesin08]

Not a chance. Barrass right now is looking the most likely to take captaincy after Shuey. His also very happy as you can see with media. This is a complete waste of time on Bulldogs end. Don't mind them asking the question but out of everyone on the Eagles list Barrass right now is probably the untouchable

What about from your perspective?

Would you be ok losing him for pick #3? Or him and Duggan for pick #3 and pick #9?

 

[bh90210fan]

Apologies for the intrusion to your board …

Apparently Dogs are making a play for Barrass, however unrealistic that may be. How opposed to the below would Eagles fans be:

• Eagles and Barras renegotiate his contract to 1 year deal ending this year and then he becomes a free agent
• Dogs throw a big contract at Barrass so they get band 1 compensation (probably pick #3)

There's little precedent to renegotiated contracts to reduce in duration but there is no reason it couldn't happy other than the AFL making up rules on the run.

If that's not attractive enough I wouldn't be opposed to the Dogs also trading pick #9 (and pick #27) for Liam Duggan with you guys picking up a chunk of his salary - completely unrelated to Barrass of course

He’s our best player and future captain so I reckon you’ve got zero to no chance

 

[FKASC]

Duggan eh

 

[Chad in Vegas]

Ouch.

Brisbane got suckered in and brought when the stocks were high.

Maybe when Brisbane come to Optus next season (I believe they are the only side that have not played us at home yet), we can play Lyon on Gaff and play a game of "who did the worst long term contract".

Making a team of players on big contracts clubs currently regret would be an interesting side; Hannebry, Gaff, Grundy, Coniglio, Lyons, McGoverns X 2, Fyfe, Whitfield, Zac Williams, Josh Kelly (arguably)...

 

[GoldenEagle]

we would get 4 and 14

After Ashcroft selection it's 5

 

[juddy_Like]

Barrass is our next captain with daylight to option B.

It will need to be something in the top 5 picks for the discussion to even start.

 

[Truckosaurus]

He’s our best player and future captain so I reckon you’ve got zero to no chance

And our other key back is over 30 with injury issues. We've got Bazzo in his first year and Edwards who is not up to it at the moment and may never be.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

People seriously underrating how we'll go next year.

Even an average injury run (including Nic Nat playing 16+ games) will see us somewhere between 9 - 12. This is our floor given our home ground advantage.

I'm all for trading next years first for a top 8 pick this year (with extra's coming our way if pick is 7 or 8)

Agree, I don't think we'll be as bad as this year but I will say bottom 6.

We are currently competitive in most games with a fairly average team. Add Dom Sheed, Yeo, Cole, Allen, McGov, L.Edwards and hopefully Chesser and we should be much better.