List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Happy Mastenator]

The phantom draft is interesting, I see Elijiah Powell has dropped into the teens now as he was ranked in the top 4 a couple of months back. Certainly looks like a strong draft anyway.

I take it you mean Elijah Hewett?

 

[mattyc75]

Foley isn't a defender. We've tried to force the issue with playing him there, but he should really play further up the ground.

Was drafted as an accumulating midfielder with neat skills. Why is he being played as a back pocket?

Drafted as an overaged, underdeveloped mid/wing, has managed to bulk up but since being drafted but really showed nothing in the midfield early so was moved back where he played well
Didnt go too bad as a hff recently
Weve got too many crap HBFers ,a decision really needs to be made

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[WCE1698]

Witherden is not better than Foley but it really is a low bar

Foley is the slowest player iv'e ever seen. Every-time he got in a foot race with McAdam he was tugging his jumper, was lucky not to give away a few frees. Witherden is pretty good one on one i think he would be a decent back pocket if we had some run of half back.

 

[JackOutback]

Also regarding Witherden, does anyone think we are actually going to delist him? I doubt it

I don't think we will and I don't think we should. I think there's something to work with there and he will come good.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Weve got too many crap HBFers ,a decision really needs to be made

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No worries, Pieman will draft some more.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Yeah that guy

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[Hook461123]

Thought I'd go back and look at who we have drafted in the 1st round over the years to see any trends.
2021 - Chesser - HBF/WING
2020- None
2019 - None
2018 - None
2017 - Brander - KPF (turned into wing)
2016 - Venebles - HFF/Mid
2015 - None
2014 - Duggan HBF
2013 - Sheed - Outside Mid/wing
2012 - None
2011 - None
2010 - Gaff - outside mid/wing
2009 - Sheppard - HBF
2008 - Nic Nat - Ruck
2007 - Masten - Outside Mid/Wing

Missing 6 first rounders over the last 15 years and mostly used our first pick on HBF and wingers. No inside or balanced mids.

Surely must be one soon

2006 - Mitch Brown KPD
2005 - Hurn HBF
2004 - None
2003 - Waters HBF
2002 - None
2001 - JUDD - Finally a balanced mid 21yrs ago. He went ok too

Some fantastic players there but you can really see a preference for what we draft in the first round.

Tsatas anyone?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Foley is the slowest player iv'e ever seen. Every-time he got in a foot race with McAdam he was tugging his jumper, was lucky not to give away a few frees. Witherden is pretty good one on one i think he would be a decent back pocket if we had some run of half back.

If you think Foley is slow, i'd like to see your opinion on Whitho's speed....

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Thought I'd go back and look at who we have drafted in the 1st round over the years to see any trends.
2021 - Chesser - HBF/WING
2020- None
2019 - None
2018 - None
2017 - Brander - KPF (turned into wing)
2016 - Venebles - HFF/Mid
2015 - None
2014 - Duggan HBF
2013 - Sheed - Outside Mid/wing
2012 - None
2011 - None
2010 - Gaff - outside mid/wing
2009 - Sheppard - HBF
2008 - Nic Nat - Ruck
2007 - Masten - Outside Mid/Wing

Missing 6 first rounders over the last 15 years and mostly used our first pick on HBF and wingers. No inside or balanced mids.

Surely must be one soon

2006 - Mitch Brown KPD
2005 - Hurn HBF
2004 - None
2003 - Waters HBF
2002 - None
2001 - JUDD - Finally a balanced mid 21yrs ago. He went ok too

Some fantastic players there but you can really see a preference for what we draft in the first round.

Tsatas anyone?

I think Brown was drafted as a forward and ended his career the same way

Also important I think to note where each player was drafted (technically Murray Newman was our first round pick in 2011, but wasn't taken until Pick 23), and if we didn't have a first rounder, what we did with that pick. For example, 2015's first rounder was used on Jack Redden, an inside mid.

Wild to think that in the period you've covered, we've won two premierships from four Grand Finals despite never having a midfield.

 

[Hook461123]

I think Brown was drafted as a forward and ended his career the same way

Also important I think to note where each player was drafted (technically Murray Newman was our first round pick in 2011, but wasn't taken until Pick 23), and if we didn't have a first rounder, what we did with that pick. For example, 2015's first rounder was used on Jack Redden, an inside mid.

I wasn't going that deep, I understand we have traded in Redden, Kelly. I was purely looking at who we have drafted in the first round

 

[Schofields_Lanyard]

Ha! I knew NES-bitt would catch on eventually.

It's against site rules to have a sock-puppet account, so I'm gonna have to delete your account mate.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Thought I'd go back and look at who we have drafted in the 1st round over the years to see any trends.
2021 - Chesser - HBF/WING
2020- None
2019 - None
2018 - None
2017 - Brander - KPF (turned into wing)
2016 - Venebles - HFF/Mid
2015 - None
2014 - Duggan HBF
2013 - Sheed - Outside Mid/wing
2012 - None
2011 - None
2010 - Gaff - outside mid/wing
2009 - Sheppard - HBF
2008 - Nic Nat - Ruck
2007 - Masten - Outside Mid/Wing

Missing 6 first rounders over the last 15 years and mostly used our first pick on HBF and wingers. No inside or balanced mids.

Surely must be one soon

2006 - Mitch Brown KPD
2005 - Hurn HBF
2004 - None
2003 - Waters HBF
2002 - None
2001 - JUDD - Finally a balanced mid 21yrs ago. He went ok too

Some fantastic players there but you can really see a preference for what we draft in the first round.

Tsatas anyone?

Sheed now looks best suited as an outside mid who can play forward but when he won the Lark Medal, he was the WA centreman. He was at the bottom of the packs and a real distributor. So in fairness to the Pieman, we thought he would transition to a balanced mid, albeit not that fast but neither is Cripps (who was taken 2 picks later).

Probably never got over his injured shoulders (happened in the last game of the carnival) and has struggled to tackle ever since. He was never fast, more the plodder.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Sheed now looks best suited as an outside mid who can play forward but when he won the Lark Medal, he was the WA centreman. He was at the bottom of the packs and a real distributor. So in fairness to the Pieman, we thought he would transition to a balanced mid, albeit not that fast but neither is Cripps (who was taken 2 picks later).

Probably never got over his injured shoulders (happened in the last game of the carnival) and has struggled to tackle ever since. He was never fast, more the plodder.

I also reckon Masten was drafted more as an inside mid than what he became. Captained WA U18s and averaged 25 possessions and 5 clearances.

Just never grew but his running became elite.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I also reckon Masten was drafted more as an inside mid than what he became. Captained WA U18s and averaged 25 possessions and 5 clearances.

Just never grew but his running became elite.

So did Masten's pointing and corralling.

 

[Chump Change]

I also reckon Masten was drafted more as an inside mid than what he became. Captained WA U18s and averaged 25 possessions and 5 clearances.

Just never grew but his running became elite.

I thought Masten was outside/balanced and Rhys Palmer was inside? When you have a look at Masten's draft year, it's pretty barren.

 

[FKASC]

I thought Masten was outside/balanced and Rhys Palmer was inside? When you have a look at Masten's draft year, it's pretty barren.

Seems to be a trend whenever we have a good pick. Except for 2001 of course

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I thought Masten was outside/balanced and Rhys Palmer was inside? When you have a look at Masten's draft year, it's pretty barren.

More inside than what he became would probably mean balanced.

 

[Bender_]

More inside than what he became would probably mean balanced.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

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[Obeanie1]

Thought I'd go back and look at who we have drafted in the 1st round over the years to see any trends.
2021 - Chesser - HBF/WING
2020- None
2019 - None
2018 - None
2017 - Brander - KPF (turned into wing)
2016 - Venebles - HFF/Mid
2015 - None
2014 - Duggan HBF
2013 - Sheed - Outside Mid/wing
2012 - None
2011 - None
2010 - Gaff - outside mid/wing
2009 - Sheppard - HBF
2008 - Nic Nat - Ruck
2007 - Masten - Outside Mid/Wing

Missing 6 first rounders over the last 15 years and mostly used our first pick on HBF and wingers. No inside or balanced mids.

Surely must be one soon

2006 - Mitch Brown KPD
2005 - Hurn HBF
2004 - None
2003 - Waters HBF
2002 - None
2001 - JUDD - Finally a balanced mid 21yrs ago. He went ok too

Some fantastic players there but you can really see a preference for what we draft in the first round.

Tsatas anyone?

What pick we had to use plays a big part.

Top 5 picks you get a look at good mids.

Picks after 10 you go for the best player left with the top mids likely gone.

That's just how it goes.

Judd and Masten pick 3.

Gaff pick 4.

Nic pick 2. Cant complaign there.

Sheed was 10?

The rest all in the 2nd half of the 1st round. There is your trend.

 

[Obeanie1]

Please. Nòoooooooooo.

 

[Hook461123]

What pick we had to use plays a big part.

Top 5 picks you get a look at good mids.

Picks after 10 you go for the best player left with the top mids likely gone.

That's just how it goes.

Judd and Masten pick 3.

Gaff pick 4.

Nic pick 2. Cant complaign there.

Sheed was 10?

The rest all in the 2nd half of the 1st round. There is your trend.

I understand that the good balanced mids go early and maybe if I could be bothered to do an analysis the middle to late first rounders are mostly flankers. I'm not having a go at the club, they took who they think were the best players. However to me looking at who they have drafted in the first round there is a leaning towards flankers and wingers.
Chesser over Hobbs / Johnson last year and Venebles over SPP are recent examples.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I understand that the good balanced mids go early and maybe if I could be bothered to do an analysis the middle to late first rounders are mostly flankers. I'm not having a go at the club, they took who they think were the best players. However to me looking at who they have drafted in the first round there is a leaning towards flankers and wingers.
Chesser over Hobbs / Johnson last year and Venebles over SPP are recent examples.

I thought it was common knowledge that Hobbs made it clear he was not leaving Victoria, so was off the table.

Johnson slid a fair way, and hasn't set the WAFL alight so far.

Venebles was on track to be a much more productive modern day player that SPP before concussions got him.

Maybe we've gone best available, to really show a mistake you need to look at the ~5 players gone after our pick to see if they were better than our pick.

 

[Hook461123]

I thought it was common knowledge that Hobbs made it clear he was not leaving Victoria, so was off the table.

Johnson slid a fair way, and hasn't set the WAFL alight so far.

Venebles was on track to be a much more productive modern day player that SPP before concussions got him.

Maybe we've gone best available, to really show a mistake you need to look at the ~5 players gone after our pick to see if they were better than our pick.

Never said there was a mistake just a leaning towards certain types of players.

 

[Farang83150]

I understand that the good balanced mids go early and maybe if I could be bothered to do an analysis the middle to late first rounders are mostly flankers. I'm not having a go at the club, they took who they think were the best players. However to me looking at who they have drafted in the first round there is a leaning towards flankers and wingers.
Chesser over Hobbs / Johnson last year and Venebles over SPP are recent examples.

Bolton was in that draft as well I think