tynanshinin
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it just doesnt seem logical when they had a player playing loose in our back 50 getting cheap marks from quick kicks forward...
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Review Dees V Eagles - the Good, the Bad & the Fugly
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Good
Watts: remain patient, renewed faith.
Ugly
Also at the game and Mortonman is on the money.
Structure, structure, structure.
Either our players aren't carrying out what they are suppose to be doing, or Bailey is on another planet with this set up.
All night we were pointing and instructing amongst ourselves as to who should be on who, who should be guarding what ground. From full back we set up in a zone as if we are the one's defending a kick in. Stagnant, no leading, no creating space, no creating a numbers advantage (all things WC, and most other sides do or at least try). We kick to ourselves and sky a kick to a contest on the right back flank. Every. Single Time.
Unrewarded running. Subi is a massive wide ground. West Coast spread like butter on toast by either providing an option or opening up space. When we had the ball we crowd a quarter of the ground with 18 blokes. If we work it out well enough and find our spare man we look up, have nothing to kick to and blaze away to a wall of opposition defenders in waiting.
Credit to West Coast, they smashed us in the clearances. Were we in damage control all night? They looked really well drilled here. And they were first to the ball more often than not. But honestly, the way we put ourselves under immense pressure due to a lack of space is hard to watch. Whatever we are trying to do, simply is not working. Change it. When we were up and about last year and pushing some decent sides, everyone was talking about our spread and deadly use of the corridor....wtf happened?
Oh yeah and we have too many players, senior players, who aren't willing to run both ways. Take note of players who lose a gear chasing tail or pushing back. They will stand out.
Watts: remain patient, renewed faith.
Ugly
Also at the game and Mortonman is on the money.
Structure, structure, structure.
Either our players aren't carrying out what they are suppose to be doing, or Bailey is on another planet with this set up.
All night we were pointing and instructing amongst ourselves as to who should be on who, who should be guarding what ground. From full back we set up in a zone as if we are the one's defending a kick in. Stagnant, no leading, no creating space, no creating a numbers advantage (all things WC, and most other sides do or at least try). We kick to ourselves and sky a kick to a contest on the right back flank. Every. Single Time.
Unrewarded running. Subi is a massive wide ground. West Coast spread like butter on toast by either providing an option or opening up space. When we had the ball we crowd a quarter of the ground with 18 blokes. If we work it out well enough and find our spare man we look up, have nothing to kick to and blaze away to a wall of opposition defenders in waiting.
Credit to West Coast, they smashed us in the clearances. Were we in damage control all night? They looked really well drilled here. And they were first to the ball more often than not. But honestly, the way we put ourselves under immense pressure due to a lack of space is hard to watch. Whatever we are trying to do, simply is not working. Change it. When we were up and about last year and pushing some decent sides, everyone was talking about our spread and deadly use of the corridor....wtf happened?
Oh yeah and we have too many players, senior players, who aren't willing to run both ways. Take note of players who lose a gear chasing tail or pushing back. They will stand out.
Carbine Chaos
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I thought Watts looked very good tonight, definitely the best I have seen him play.
He seemed to have a bit of fire in the belly and took some good grabs.
He seemed to have a bit of fire in the belly and took some good grabs.
Good:
- No injuries
- A few guys playing at Casey will be happy that some doors have opened
- Watts and a few of the others
Bad:
- Experienced players not putting their hands up. Basically the leadership group, including anyone who might have been dropped from the leadership group lately.
Fugly:
- just pretty well everything. Depressing to see, and a long road ahead. Really down on confidence.
- No injuries
- A few guys playing at Casey will be happy that some doors have opened
- Watts and a few of the others
Bad:
- Experienced players not putting their hands up. Basically the leadership group, including anyone who might have been dropped from the leadership group lately.
Fugly:
- just pretty well everything. Depressing to see, and a long road ahead. Really down on confidence.
Biffinator
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The Good
At least Cam Bruce did not troop off at the end in the red and the blue. For me, that would have been the end.
We are one day closer to a new coach, who will hopefully address the underlying cultural malaise.
The Bad & the Fugly
Well, what isn't? Sick of this shit.
At least Cam Bruce did not troop off at the end in the red and the blue. For me, that would have been the end.
We are one day closer to a new coach, who will hopefully address the underlying cultural malaise.
The Bad & the Fugly
Well, what isn't? Sick of this shit.
Naita continues to have an average start to the year
I hope its not his shoulder going on him.FWIW Watts was good last nite. Showed up to play. Him, Jones and really thought Garland? was great.
milkVealer
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What was wrong last night? where do you start?
Simply west coasts tackling was superb and ours was dismal.
brad green lines an opposition bloke up for a tackle ten metres away sprints at them gets with in two metres and then stops in front of him.
cale morton runs around the footy field like a spider on roller blades.
every time martin gets the ball i cringe.
the whole team has a habit of hand balling to a bloke standing still.
you know when bartram and garland are our best that we had a bad night.
the positives:
jack watts played better than natanui last night
tapscott showing that at least one of our players has some mongrel
Simply west coasts tackling was superb and ours was dismal.
brad green lines an opposition bloke up for a tackle ten metres away sprints at them gets with in two metres and then stops in front of him.
cale morton runs around the footy field like a spider on roller blades.
every time martin gets the ball i cringe.
the whole team has a habit of hand balling to a bloke standing still.
you know when bartram and garland are our best that we had a bad night.
the positives:
jack watts played better than natanui last night
tapscott showing that at least one of our players has some mongrel
g-thing
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I know that the Dees did not have one of their best games and what I am about to suggest next is never appreciated and usually howled down as excuse making but ....
as far as the umpires were concerned you were never going to win..
I know the count was 7-1 against in quarter 1 and I'm prettyy sure you got your second free kick about 10 minutes before half time...
everything the crowd howled about was revisited and overturned (fair enough on the Garland out of bounds and the Wonna poster) but things like Le Cras' mark when the ball was clearly out and Gaff's kick when the ball wass clearly out ...well no interevention there....
My point is that while the Dees put in a bad one the umpires were sure not going to get offside with the crowd by reffing the game to the rules - when the game was all over some of the usual evening up happened ...
as far as the umpires were concerned you were never going to win..
I know the count was 7-1 against in quarter 1 and I'm prettyy sure you got your second free kick about 10 minutes before half time...
everything the crowd howled about was revisited and overturned (fair enough on the Garland out of bounds and the Wonna poster) but things like Le Cras' mark when the ball was clearly out and Gaff's kick when the ball wass clearly out ...well no interevention there....
My point is that while the Dees put in a bad one the umpires were sure not going to get offside with the crowd by reffing the game to the rules - when the game was all over some of the usual evening up happened ...
The Good
Trengove - kids a star and possibly our best player already! Showing our senior players how the game is supposed to be played.
Watts - I've been harsh on the kid so far this season, but he really showed something last night! Well done Jack!
Jones - Has had a really solid few weeks.
Garland - was trying to plug gaping holes in our defense all night.
Bail - Continues to grow as a player
Bartram - Tried hard under immense pressure and with minimal support
Tv Rights - will take most of the focus away from what was a spineless and heartless effort
The Bad
First Quarters - We need to sack the motivational speaker before games. Inside 50's at quarter time were WCE 22 MELB 3. I'm sorry, but that is ****ing disgraceful from a so called AFL club.
Leadership - After yet another god awful start to an interstate game, our leaders went completely missing(again).
Prime Time - This was our chance on prime time tv to impress against similar standard opposition. Failed miserably.
The Ugly
Davey/Green - These two have stunk it up all season and are probably our 2 highest paid players. Not good enough.
Bailey - The players look like they have lost faith in him. Him and his cronie bunch of coaches, cannot get whatever gameplan or structures they have in place through to the players. None of these so called coaches will be at the MFC in 2012.
Pressure - We are the only team currently not doing any sort of frontal pressure. The ease in which it comes out of our F50 is embarrassing.
Brian Royal - Since Wellman left, we have been absolutely shithouse in getting the ball out of defense. And amazingly, it's getting worse by the round. I thought it was a step backwards getting Royal back at the club, and from what I've seen so far this season, I am justified.
Bailey(Again) - has made some baffling decisions at selection this season. Why on earth was Morton and Frawley rushed back? Both have been terrible since returning. Petterd and Maric surely deserve to be in this side! Watts playing as sub against Gold Coast???? Making no moves whatsoever that will make the opposition coach actually think??? Try something radical Dean! Drop some senior players, make a statement! Move Grimes to the middle and play Green down back. Put Davey on the forward flank. Do something! And get the hell off the sidelines and go up into the coaches box and actually see for yourself how bad your structuresd are! I'm sick of seing your face on the sidelines tapping the players bums when they come off as we are 10 goals down!
Trengove - kids a star and possibly our best player already! Showing our senior players how the game is supposed to be played.
Watts - I've been harsh on the kid so far this season, but he really showed something last night! Well done Jack!
Jones - Has had a really solid few weeks.
Garland - was trying to plug gaping holes in our defense all night.
Bail - Continues to grow as a player
Bartram - Tried hard under immense pressure and with minimal support
Tv Rights - will take most of the focus away from what was a spineless and heartless effort
The Bad
First Quarters - We need to sack the motivational speaker before games. Inside 50's at quarter time were WCE 22 MELB 3. I'm sorry, but that is ****ing disgraceful from a so called AFL club.
Leadership - After yet another god awful start to an interstate game, our leaders went completely missing(again).
Prime Time - This was our chance on prime time tv to impress against similar standard opposition. Failed miserably.
The Ugly
Davey/Green - These two have stunk it up all season and are probably our 2 highest paid players. Not good enough.
Bailey - The players look like they have lost faith in him. Him and his cronie bunch of coaches, cannot get whatever gameplan or structures they have in place through to the players. None of these so called coaches will be at the MFC in 2012.
Pressure - We are the only team currently not doing any sort of frontal pressure. The ease in which it comes out of our F50 is embarrassing.
Brian Royal - Since Wellman left, we have been absolutely shithouse in getting the ball out of defense. And amazingly, it's getting worse by the round. I thought it was a step backwards getting Royal back at the club, and from what I've seen so far this season, I am justified.
Bailey(Again) - has made some baffling decisions at selection this season. Why on earth was Morton and Frawley rushed back? Both have been terrible since returning. Petterd and Maric surely deserve to be in this side! Watts playing as sub against Gold Coast???? Making no moves whatsoever that will make the opposition coach actually think??? Try something radical Dean! Drop some senior players, make a statement! Move Grimes to the middle and play Green down back. Put Davey on the forward flank. Do something! And get the hell off the sidelines and go up into the coaches box and actually see for yourself how bad your structuresd are! I'm sick of seing your face on the sidelines tapping the players bums when they come off as we are 10 goals down!
milkVealer
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Thought Trengove was pretty good when he had the footy, who was he responsible for last night?
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The good;
Watts showing some promise
Bartram, good run defended well
Garland, tried his guts out
Feel sorry for the backline for putting up with 22 inside 50's in one 1/4
Bail and Trengove work hard
The bad;
It was all ugly
The Ugly;
Senior players in Davey, Green, Sylvia not doing enough
Jamar and Moloney having ordinary games (but have credits in the bank from previous weeks)
Morton needs to better after 3.5 years 50 games, the blokes look like a surbaban footballer when he goes near it, so awkward and soft over the
footy.
Dean Bailey; time admit your game plan is outdated and will not get us to the next level. You cannot allow so many iside 50's. It is all good and well having players in the back half to run the ball out of defense however when we find space there is 1 or 2 melb players vs 8 opposition in our forward half.
Our kicks ins is play on kick long to the boundry to Jamar or Martin, we don;t even get players at their feet to win the spoils nor do we even keep players back in the defensive 50 to man up the opposition.
Stoppages, man up so many times we let WCE plasyer stream from the stoppages run 15 metres and kick it 55m putting our defenders under so much pressure.
All in all, i was a supporter of Bailey until last night. West Coast IMO are (or were) a comparable side to us and the blew us out of the water. Worsfold had the forsight and ability to swallow his pride and readjust the game plan to suit modern footy. Dean Bailey you need to follow suit or else you will be out of a job in 2012.
IMO get Malthouse, has built the collingwood side from Swan to their last picked rookie and turned what many side an average side into a formidble unit. He managed to rejig their game plan over one summer to get them from also rans to premiers. GET HIM NOW!
Watts showing some promise
Bartram, good run defended well
Garland, tried his guts out
Feel sorry for the backline for putting up with 22 inside 50's in one 1/4
Bail and Trengove work hard
The bad;
It was all ugly
The Ugly;
Senior players in Davey, Green, Sylvia not doing enough
Jamar and Moloney having ordinary games (but have credits in the bank from previous weeks)
Morton needs to better after 3.5 years 50 games, the blokes look like a surbaban footballer when he goes near it, so awkward and soft over the
footy.
Dean Bailey; time admit your game plan is outdated and will not get us to the next level. You cannot allow so many iside 50's. It is all good and well having players in the back half to run the ball out of defense however when we find space there is 1 or 2 melb players vs 8 opposition in our forward half.
Our kicks ins is play on kick long to the boundry to Jamar or Martin, we don;t even get players at their feet to win the spoils nor do we even keep players back in the defensive 50 to man up the opposition.
Stoppages, man up so many times we let WCE plasyer stream from the stoppages run 15 metres and kick it 55m putting our defenders under so much pressure.
All in all, i was a supporter of Bailey until last night. West Coast IMO are (or were) a comparable side to us and the blew us out of the water. Worsfold had the forsight and ability to swallow his pride and readjust the game plan to suit modern footy. Dean Bailey you need to follow suit or else you will be out of a job in 2012.
IMO get Malthouse, has built the collingwood side from Swan to their last picked rookie and turned what many side an average side into a formidble unit. He managed to rejig their game plan over one summer to get them from also rans to premiers. GET HIM NOW!
I agree with what you saying, I thought there was some very poor decisions being made out there and late decisions being made based on crowd reaction.
However being in an umpires shoes I wouldn't be inclined to pay free kicks to a team that showed no desire to go and get the ball, make a contest and use it properly.
Some very strange free kicks though..West Coast at the start of the game, and Melbourne to the back end.
Loved watching Watts on prime time get some possession and show some spirit, about the only positive on display for MFC. (i think most people already know Trengove will be a gun)
The ironic thing that was pointed out to me halfway through the game by one of my mates..."when Jack plays well, this is what happens.."
Hopefully he can continue to step up, and the team can turn this performance around.
HarveyWallbanger
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The whole Melbourne Football Club needs to take a long hard look.
Sorry Jim, but as president the buck stops with you. You need to do something now - that so called performance last night was an absolute disgrace.
Bailey completely outcoached which has been the story for years now. He is outdated in his game plan (can somebody tell me what it is?) and never once attempted to change or makes amendments to stop the rot.
6 goals for the game - note to Bailey. The object of the game is to OUTSCORE your opponent. Not f*ck around with the ball until you turn it over.
No wonder the players are going mental on the ground. They are instructed to dish out that sh*t!
Jim, the memebrs are stirring and want some action now. Don't let it fester and become a huge swell. I have said it before, but the MFC should be offering Mick Malthouse whatever he wants to coach in 2012........in the meantime, we have a couple of assistants that can act as caretaker coach.
I will NOT be subjected to that sh*t anymore this year. I'm going to the local footy where at least you know the players have a dip week in week out.
Sorry Jim, but as president the buck stops with you. You need to do something now - that so called performance last night was an absolute disgrace.
Bailey completely outcoached which has been the story for years now. He is outdated in his game plan (can somebody tell me what it is?) and never once attempted to change or makes amendments to stop the rot.
6 goals for the game - note to Bailey. The object of the game is to OUTSCORE your opponent. Not f*ck around with the ball until you turn it over.
No wonder the players are going mental on the ground. They are instructed to dish out that sh*t!
Jim, the memebrs are stirring and want some action now. Don't let it fester and become a huge swell. I have said it before, but the MFC should be offering Mick Malthouse whatever he wants to coach in 2012........in the meantime, we have a couple of assistants that can act as caretaker coach.
I will NOT be subjected to that sh*t anymore this year. I'm going to the local footy where at least you know the players have a dip week in week out.
Wasn't at the game and watching on tv, I simply couldn't tell who our midfielders were playing on last night. Did our midfielders have an opponent at all last night? Sure didn't look like it.
Trengove is a star. Dustim Martin is getting all the praise atm from last years draft, but IMO, Trengove has been every bit as good. Will be a superstar....
HarveyWallbanger
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A mate was at the game last night. He is a Brisbane supporter but went along to watch.
He said he came out angry and it wasn't even his team. Said the Melbourne supporters must all be nuts to go and watch crap every week!!!!!!
He said he came out angry and it wasn't even his team. Said the Melbourne supporters must all be nuts to go and watch crap every week!!!!!!
Roostasani
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The first quarter was absolutely terrible, I was worried we were going to get beaten by 80+ points. Is anyone else worried about our slow starts?
Round 1 VS Syd: Down by 13 points
Round 2 VS Hawks: Down by 1 (Good start)
Round 3 VS Bris: Down by 25
Round 4 VS GC: Up by 18 but they got the jump on us early
Round 5 VS BYE
Round 6 VS WC: Down by 31
Round 1 VS Syd: Down by 13 points
Round 2 VS Hawks: Down by 1 (Good start)
Round 3 VS Bris: Down by 25
Round 4 VS GC: Up by 18 but they got the jump on us early
Round 5 VS BYE
Round 6 VS WC: Down by 31
Good - Watts, Trengove and Jamars efforts, the man never stops
Bad - Gameplan and senior players
Fugly - Green back to being soft and ineffective and we have a peanut for a coach.
Bad - Gameplan and senior players
Fugly - Green back to being soft and ineffective and we have a peanut for a coach.
HarveyWallbanger
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Slow starts??????????????????? What about the whole bloody game!
I think that is why so many supporters don't turn up and our average attendance is poor.
Being broadcast live on tv doesn't help get your mates along to watch Melbourne either if that is what they expect to be dished up.
how so? you post ridiculous amounts of rubbish, more than me and tap my scoot
Naita continues to have an average start to the year
FWIW Watts was good last nite. Showed up to play. Him, Jones and really thought Garland? was great.
was impressed with Jones tonight, showed some heart at least.
thanks Double the Fist
Trengove was GREAT tonight, without really playing on anyone.
BUT.. Martin has been OUTSTANDING this year and is rightly getting the praise. Trengove will get his, but martin has been better. not opinion, fact
Roostasani
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Yea I guess so, but if we were able to start on par, maybe it wouldnt look as bad haha. Im clutching at straws here. Im worried that we are going to be horrible forever. After last night I cant see much positives.
There were some players some showed some ticker, I'm a big fan of Jones. He seems to always give it a crack.
Mr Controversy
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There are many questions that need to be asked:
1. Do we have the talent?
2. Do we have a game plan, and if so, what is it?
3. Is it time for Bailey to stop mentoring from the sidelines and start being a Coach?
4. Where is the spirit and intensity?
5. Where is the leadership?
6. Has our recruiting really been that good?
7. Forward line pressure.... Where is it?
These are just a few, of many questions, that need to raised. It's time to stop the excuses and to start admitting to and accepting the realisation that this club has been on a re-building phase since 1964 and heads must roll and roll quickly. The phrase, ‘It's not good enough’ should be painted all over the MFC rooms. It is time we start looking back at our proud history and accept nothing less than the power house sides of the mid 1900's.
I can only make judgments on what is seen, and what I saw Thursday night was unacceptable. Our intensity was poor. Our game plan is non-existent, and we have players that are either not good enough at AFL level, not ready for AFL, or just don't deserve a game. Last night bought back memories of a few years back, in fact it has been the same rubbish since I can remember. It actually feels like we have gone back to the days of just conceding and hoping for some good early draft picks. It seems the hope of bottoming out and the realisation of early draft picks may have impacted the clubs ability to thoroughly investigate the best players outside the top twenty in the draft. Yes, we have gained some very good players, however, it's the next tier core group that wins you a flag and if you cannot gain very good second and third tier players then you are no chance. Two great players in a side wont win you a flag but twenty-two very good players will win you a flag. We don't have that. In fact, we're lucky to have two ‘A’ grade players and that ‘is not good enough.’
So, what went wrong Thursday night? Our intensity was non-existent. We had no leadership. Our game plan either didn't work the way we wanted it to, or it’s just terrible and we had some very poor performances from some highly rated players. These players being Colin Sylvia, Cale Morton, Austin Woanamirri, Aaron Davey, Jack Grimes, Brad Green, and Liam Jurrah. In my analysis I will exclude Aaron Davey and Liam Jurrah and just dismiss it as a ‘bad game’ as their consistency far out ways their inconsistency.
Colin Sylvia: He has a huge attitude problem which needs to be addressed. He could be a star, but 'could be' is not good enough. Last night and most this season his dedication, intensity and overall game has been very, very poor, which leads me to believe that he's not ready to be a top line midfielder.
Cale Morton: He is so frustrating to watch knowing the talent he possesses. The physical issues with Cale are a problem. He has no strength and intensity is non-existent. My major concern however, is his mental state at the top level. From afar I see issues with his confidence, decision making and his disposal is well below AFL standard. It just seems like he's off with the fairies and has no awareness of what's around him.
Austin Woanamirri: I think he is off the pace a little. He has had a interrupted pre season for both injury and personal reasons which may still be playing on his mind, and in all fairness it would be hard to criticise him due to this fact. My concern is his body though. Have the hamstring issues hampered his pace? I’m just not sure. I really do think he needs game time at the highest level and needs some much needed confidence. I like Woanamirri and I want him to be back to his best because he is a huge part of our future.
Jack Grimes: Disposal is a major concern for him. This season especially, it seems his disposal has been way off target due to the increased pressure from the Collingwood style game plan all teams have implemented. I don't have any issues with his defensive efforts, as I’m very happy as a whole with our backline considering the lack of assistance further up the ground. They have stood strong. Decisions under pressure are a concern, and will need some vast improvement or a stint in the ‘Magoos’ will unfortunately be the only alternative. You cannot afford wayward kicks, which result into goals from turnovers.
Brad Green: Has been a great player in the past, however, can he still be a great player? He has dropped dramatically. His once deadeye kick for goal has gone and he just seems sluggish at times. I think his best position is deep forward but with the press he's very vulnerable. The game plan needs to be altered if he is going to have any influence.
Then we must also look at players that should be in the side, but for reasons unknown, are in the outer. These players include - Ricky Petterd, Michael Newton, and Addam Maric. Then there are players you have to wonder how on earth they were drafted in the first place, these include - Jake Spencer and Joel McDonald.
Why can't Ricky Petterd get a game in a team that can’t kick goals? Why can’t Michael Newton get a game on his current VFL form? And why can’t Addam Maric be given more then one game to prove himself? These are all questions that I ponder about everyday....
Our leadership is a massive, massive issue. We are very young and very raw. We delisted James Mcdonald when he was having the season of his life and why? All because he is on the other side of 30? Is it a crime to play good footy and be over 30? How can you justify delisting a player of his quality and yet keep players like Spencer, using height as the only justification?
With this we lead onto the current list, and the question I ask is how much talent do we actually have? Year after year we hear the quote ‘get 50 games into these kids and they will improve.’ But have they really? To name a few - Clint Bartram 85 games, Matthew Bate 83 games (pick 13 in ‘04 draft), Lynden Dunn 75 games (Pick 15 in ‘04 Draft), Nathan Jones 97 games (pick 12 in ‘05 draft), Cale Morton 53 games (pick 4 in ‘07 Draft), Matthew Warnock 51 games. Now if you were to compare that to Collingwood's over 50 game players you will see a considerable difference, not to mention they have had a good 5 years and haven't bottomed out like Melbourne to get early picks. So again I ask the question; how talented is our list?
I'm a passionate member of this football club. I tell it how I see it and this is what I am seeing. Unlike many people who come and go through the football club, I live and breathe this club as if it was my un-born child. People at the club get paid to do a job but to me this is part of my life. I don't get paid for it but I too, think about it full time.
This is my rant.
Cheers
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1. Do we have the talent?
2. Do we have a game plan, and if so, what is it?
3. Is it time for Bailey to stop mentoring from the sidelines and start being a Coach?
4. Where is the spirit and intensity?
5. Where is the leadership?
6. Has our recruiting really been that good?
7. Forward line pressure.... Where is it?
These are just a few, of many questions, that need to raised. It's time to stop the excuses and to start admitting to and accepting the realisation that this club has been on a re-building phase since 1964 and heads must roll and roll quickly. The phrase, ‘It's not good enough’ should be painted all over the MFC rooms. It is time we start looking back at our proud history and accept nothing less than the power house sides of the mid 1900's.
I can only make judgments on what is seen, and what I saw Thursday night was unacceptable. Our intensity was poor. Our game plan is non-existent, and we have players that are either not good enough at AFL level, not ready for AFL, or just don't deserve a game. Last night bought back memories of a few years back, in fact it has been the same rubbish since I can remember. It actually feels like we have gone back to the days of just conceding and hoping for some good early draft picks. It seems the hope of bottoming out and the realisation of early draft picks may have impacted the clubs ability to thoroughly investigate the best players outside the top twenty in the draft. Yes, we have gained some very good players, however, it's the next tier core group that wins you a flag and if you cannot gain very good second and third tier players then you are no chance. Two great players in a side wont win you a flag but twenty-two very good players will win you a flag. We don't have that. In fact, we're lucky to have two ‘A’ grade players and that ‘is not good enough.’
So, what went wrong Thursday night? Our intensity was non-existent. We had no leadership. Our game plan either didn't work the way we wanted it to, or it’s just terrible and we had some very poor performances from some highly rated players. These players being Colin Sylvia, Cale Morton, Austin Woanamirri, Aaron Davey, Jack Grimes, Brad Green, and Liam Jurrah. In my analysis I will exclude Aaron Davey and Liam Jurrah and just dismiss it as a ‘bad game’ as their consistency far out ways their inconsistency.
Colin Sylvia: He has a huge attitude problem which needs to be addressed. He could be a star, but 'could be' is not good enough. Last night and most this season his dedication, intensity and overall game has been very, very poor, which leads me to believe that he's not ready to be a top line midfielder.
Cale Morton: He is so frustrating to watch knowing the talent he possesses. The physical issues with Cale are a problem. He has no strength and intensity is non-existent. My major concern however, is his mental state at the top level. From afar I see issues with his confidence, decision making and his disposal is well below AFL standard. It just seems like he's off with the fairies and has no awareness of what's around him.
Austin Woanamirri: I think he is off the pace a little. He has had a interrupted pre season for both injury and personal reasons which may still be playing on his mind, and in all fairness it would be hard to criticise him due to this fact. My concern is his body though. Have the hamstring issues hampered his pace? I’m just not sure. I really do think he needs game time at the highest level and needs some much needed confidence. I like Woanamirri and I want him to be back to his best because he is a huge part of our future.
Jack Grimes: Disposal is a major concern for him. This season especially, it seems his disposal has been way off target due to the increased pressure from the Collingwood style game plan all teams have implemented. I don't have any issues with his defensive efforts, as I’m very happy as a whole with our backline considering the lack of assistance further up the ground. They have stood strong. Decisions under pressure are a concern, and will need some vast improvement or a stint in the ‘Magoos’ will unfortunately be the only alternative. You cannot afford wayward kicks, which result into goals from turnovers.
Brad Green: Has been a great player in the past, however, can he still be a great player? He has dropped dramatically. His once deadeye kick for goal has gone and he just seems sluggish at times. I think his best position is deep forward but with the press he's very vulnerable. The game plan needs to be altered if he is going to have any influence.
Then we must also look at players that should be in the side, but for reasons unknown, are in the outer. These players include - Ricky Petterd, Michael Newton, and Addam Maric. Then there are players you have to wonder how on earth they were drafted in the first place, these include - Jake Spencer and Joel McDonald.
Why can't Ricky Petterd get a game in a team that can’t kick goals? Why can’t Michael Newton get a game on his current VFL form? And why can’t Addam Maric be given more then one game to prove himself? These are all questions that I ponder about everyday....
Our leadership is a massive, massive issue. We are very young and very raw. We delisted James Mcdonald when he was having the season of his life and why? All because he is on the other side of 30? Is it a crime to play good footy and be over 30? How can you justify delisting a player of his quality and yet keep players like Spencer, using height as the only justification?
With this we lead onto the current list, and the question I ask is how much talent do we actually have? Year after year we hear the quote ‘get 50 games into these kids and they will improve.’ But have they really? To name a few - Clint Bartram 85 games, Matthew Bate 83 games (pick 13 in ‘04 draft), Lynden Dunn 75 games (Pick 15 in ‘04 Draft), Nathan Jones 97 games (pick 12 in ‘05 draft), Cale Morton 53 games (pick 4 in ‘07 Draft), Matthew Warnock 51 games. Now if you were to compare that to Collingwood's over 50 game players you will see a considerable difference, not to mention they have had a good 5 years and haven't bottomed out like Melbourne to get early picks. So again I ask the question; how talented is our list?
I'm a passionate member of this football club. I tell it how I see it and this is what I am seeing. Unlike many people who come and go through the football club, I live and breathe this club as if it was my un-born child. People at the club get paid to do a job but to me this is part of my life. I don't get paid for it but I too, think about it full time.
This is my rant.
Cheers
Disgruntled Member
tynanshinin
Team Captain
To be fair to some of the players you've posted there.
Bartram -> Played some good footy this year. Easily in our top 5 players this season.
Morton -> Down on confidence at the moment and needs some VFL time but hes shown over the last 2 seasons that he is an important part of our team.
Jones -> Like Bartram has taken his game to a new level (need more players to follow his lead)
Newton has to be selected, didnt have a great one today but he'll give a contest and some forward pressure. Bate's kicked 6 today so will have to come in also.
Bartram -> Played some good footy this year. Easily in our top 5 players this season.
Morton -> Down on confidence at the moment and needs some VFL time but hes shown over the last 2 seasons that he is an important part of our team.
Jones -> Like Bartram has taken his game to a new level (need more players to follow his lead)
Newton has to be selected, didnt have a great one today but he'll give a contest and some forward pressure. Bate's kicked 6 today so will have to come in also.
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