List Mgmt. Draft Needs 2018 #2: Rankine / Lukosius / Rozee / Hately, I'm knocking Woodcock out the box, daily!

[Tex200]

So carlton are picking carlton? What losers.

Time for a lie down lol

 

[CrowMan90]

Surprised they’re prepared to give up pick 1 for that.

SOS really likes the GWS players Carlton has. Values them very highly.

 

[Hodgy]

Taking their self obsession to the limit.

Unless Carlton have played reserves for GWS they aren’t taking them.

 

[azza77]

Any chance we want Kelly and bid on Quaynor first purely to reduce points Pies have to match for Kelly?

I touched on this in another thread.

If we bid on Quaynor @8 and Pies match, they will need to use 41, 44 and 57 will slide back to 63. They will then be left with 59, 60 and 63 which equals 416 points.

That only gives them enough to match a bid from pick 31 onwards without going into deficit. However, they are allowed to go into deficit, but I have no idea what the rules and regulations around that are. How far into a 'deficit' can you go, and what will that do for their picks next year?

If we do bid on Kelly though at 21, it does only mean that Pies will be 265 points in deficit from their 416 points total, which isn't really a lot in the scheme of things. It most likely just means that their 2nd pick in 2019 draft (I think they used their first in the beams trade??? Correct me if im wrong I havent checked) will be downgraded by 10 or so spots. Not that big of a punishment imo for a highly rated and athletic KPD.

There's also an element of risk that pies don't match, and we are stuck with Quaynor at 8, but I think Pies will match. To get a 10-15 prospect for pick 41 and 44 seems too good to turn down.

 

[GROTTO]

Geez this time tomorrow, this thread is going to fly to 400 pages.

 

[Crow till I die]

I touched on this in another thread.

If we bid on Quaynor @8 and Pies match, they will need to use 41, 44 and 57 will slide back to 63. They will then be left with 59, 60 and 63 which equals 416 points.

That only gives them enough to match a bid from pick 31 onwards without going into deficit. However, they are allowed to go into deficit, but I have no idea what the rules and regulations around that are. How far into a 'deficit' can you go, and what will that do for their picks next year?

If we do bid on Kelly though at 21, it does only mean that Pies will be 265 points in deficit from their 416 points total, which isn't really a lot in the scheme of things. It most likely just means that their 2nd pick in 2019 draft (I think they used their first in the beams trade??? Correct me if im wrong I havent checked) will be downgraded by 10 or so spots. Not that big of a punishment imo for a highly rated and athletic KPD.

There's also an element of risk that pies don't match, and we are stuck with Quaynor at 8, but I think Pies will match. To get a 10-15 prospect for pick 41 and 44 seems too good to turn down.

Collingwood also gave up their 2019 1st to Brisbane as part of the beams trade so it would royally f*** them if we went down that path

 

[ams4crows]

Im honestly gonna laugh in 5 years time when Carlton inevitably picks Walsh and he's the second coming of Marc Murphy, solid without being elite.

whilst Smith, Caldwell, Rankine look like the new Judd, Dangerfield and Mcleod

Carlton almost need to do something crazy to get them back in the news, no one is talking about them and nobody cares.

 

[ams4crows]

Collingwood also gave up their 2019 1st to Brisbane as part of the beams trade so it would royally f*** them if we went down that path

If we bid on Kelly at 16 we **** them even more

 

[TexForPM]

If we bid on Kelly at 16 we **** them even more

haven't seen much of him.
is he worth pick 16?

 

[GROTTO]

Im honestly gonna laugh in 5 years time when Carlton inevitably picks Walsh and he's the second coming of Marc Murphy, solid without being elite.

whilst Smith, Caldwell, Rankine look like the new Judd, Dangerfield and Mcleod

Carlton almost need to do something crazy to get them back in the news, no one is talking about them and nobody cares.

Carlton wont care one bit. In 5 years time, they will still have the number 1 pick in the draft.

#soslogic

Their goal is to have every starting 18 player a number 1 draft pick.

 

[jo172]

Carlton wont care one bit. In 5 years time, they will still have the number 1 pick in the draft.

#soslogic

Their goal is to have every starting 18 player a number 1 draft pick.

 

[azza77]

Collingwood also gave up their 2019 1st to Brisbane as part of the beams trade so it would royally f*** them if we went down that path

Well assuming cos they don't have a first the deficit is applied to their 2nd, and also assuming they have pick 32 for this example, it would be downgraded from 32 to 46. A big fall I guess, but one they may be willing to take if it secures Quaynor and Kelly in this draft year when the enter the draft at bloody 41 this year...

 

[LittleCrowBoy]

Well assuming cos they don't have a first the deficit is applied to their 2nd, and also assuming they have pick 32 for this example, it would be downgraded from 32 to 46. A big fall I guess, but one they may be willing to take if it secures Quaynor and Kelly in this draft year when the enter the draft at bloody 41 this year...

Im looking forward to the day the AFC can FINALLY benefit from these crazy rules.
Is Edwards still tracking well for next year ???

 

[Elite Crow]

I wonder if the clubs knew during the trade period about not being able to trade next years first rounders unless you had the full set of other picks or is this another afl rule on the run?

 

[ams4crows]

haven't seen much of him.
is he worth pick 16?

it depends, if we develop him alongside Talia it'll probably turn out that it was about right. If you're going off their ratings as of right now its probably a little high.... similr to Doedee's case.... it wont look good and the right choice until a few years go by.

 

[Drewie11]

Holy shit, is that Nick Stevens???? They’ve been coming for a long bloody time

 

[hey shorty]

haven't seen much of him.
is he worth pick 16?

Borderline, but probably not at this stage.

That said, I reckon hes going to be a great defender.

 

[LittleCrowBoy]

Holy shit, is that Nick Stevens???? They’ve been coming for a long bloody time

My god....that poster is funny !!!!
Best to avoid STUPID slogans where possible.
....i guess if you add "last" at the end it makes sense.

 

[FR0GGY]

Im assuming "they" are the creatures in the depths of the ocean?

 

[GROTTO]

Im assuming "they" are the creatures in the depths of the ocean?
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[azza77]

haven't seen much of him.
is he worth pick 16?

Nah probably sits in that 20-30 range, so a bid @21 would just be to keep Pies honest, but is still a little risky. I'd rather Bailey Williams at 21 (if he's hopefully still there).

Im looking forward to the day the AFC can FINALLY benefit from these crazy rules.
Is Edwards still tracking well for next year ???

Luke Edwards isnt eligible until 2020 I don't think. Missed out by a few weeks IIRC.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

I wonder if the clubs knew during the trade period about not being able to trade next years first rounders unless you had the full set of other picks or is this another afl rule on the run?

No, posters were discussing it in here during the trade period. So the clubs would (should) definitely know.

 

[Crow till I die]

Im assuming "they" are the creatures in the depths of the ocean?
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That ship has run aground

 

[GROTTO]

That ship has run aground

Not only that the captains have abandoned ship. Hmmmm maybe its foreshadowing of whats to come of them.

 

[Hodgy]

The article on AFL website with Ports Geoff Parker is interesting for a few points.

“We threw up some different scenarios and they came back with different scenarios but in the end it's not going to work out that way and they'll probably keep their two picks and we'll keep pick five."

"I'm assuming Adelaide, with their draft picks, are in a similar spot to us so I'm not sure what else they could do that we couldn't do so I think Gold Coast are just keen to have those picks," Parker said.

This suggests three things
1. Port are very keen to trade up.
2. GC will trade if the price is right
3. Port must have already offered 5 and 10/15 as well as future first and got knocked back.
Otherwise why would he assume that Adelaide can’t do anything different to them.