Drugs in Sport - Surely not us?

[J_Moore]

These answers do nothing to belay any concern.

 

[Maddhew]

Looks like we are in the clear (at least as a club). The AFL has confirmed one club has been implicated on a whole, and a single player from a separate club also implicated.

We know who the one club is, however not the individual.

 

[SM]

be·lay (b

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v. be·layed, be·lay·ing, be·lays
3. To cause to stop.

 

[RW]

be·lay (b

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v. be·layed, be·lay·ing, be·lays
3. To cause to stop.

Actually, in this instance, I think it would be more correct to use 'allay' (e.g. to allay any fears or concerns, by reassurance).

 

[baja]

Just putting this out there

What are you suggesting with "Just putting it out there" with a shocked little smiley face?

 

[baja]

No one is surprised by this.

I left myself wide open with that one, prick.

 

[baja]

Looks like we are in the clear (at least as a club). The AFL has confirmed one club has been implicated on a whole, and a single player from a separate club also implicated.

We know who the one club is, however not the individual.

Is the player from the other club Monfries or Lonergan? lol

 

[Indie_]

Apparently the other player is Dustin Martin, and Richmond are holding a press conference to announce that they are sacking him tomorrow. I mean I'd take with a lot salt, but it's a possibility.

 

[scottwade]

Apparently the other player is Dustin Martin, and Richmond are holding a press conference to announce that they are sacking him tomorrow. I mean I'd take with a lot salt, but it's a possibility.

I realise you are only passing on a rumour, but how would Richmond know?

The name of the player hasn't been publicly released, the AFL hierarchy have signed confidentiality agreements regarding the ACC report and unless the player confessed to the club there is no way for the Tigers (or any other club) to be in a position to sack anyone.

 

[Indie_]

I realise you are only passing on a rumour, but how would Richmond know?

The name of the player hasn't been publicly released, the AFL hierarchy have signed confidentiality agreements regarding the ACC report and unless the player confessed to the club there is no way for the Tigers (or any other club) to be in a position to sack anyone.

I'm just indulging in hypotheticals but given their Football Department Boss just left under very suspicious circumstances, perhaps he and others had covered it up until now?

 

[scottwade]

I'm just indulging in hypotheticals but given their Football Department Boss just left under very suspicious circumstances, perhaps he and others had covered it up until now?

According to the Hun he left to go to a job in the racing industry;
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mor...-racing-industry/story-e6frf9jf-1226574874987

As for the cover up that would have required a positive test and in those circumstances ASADA could have stood him down immediately (without compromising the ACC investigation).
As for the reason ASADA haven't stood down the player that has been 'identified' in the ACC report my guess is that he was uncovered by means (eg phone taps) other than a positive test and therefore the legal process is somewhat different.

 

[Indie_]

According to the Hun he left to go to a job in the racing industry;
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mor...-racing-industry/story-e6frf9jf-1226574874987

Few people saying that is untrue.

As for the cover up that would have required a positive test and in those circumstances ASADA could have stood him down immediately (without compromising the ACC investigation).
As for the reason ASADA haven't stood down the player that has been 'identified' in the ACC report my guess is that he was uncovered by means (eg phone taps) other than a positive test and therefore the legal process is somewhat different.

There are other means of finding out about a player using PED's.

 

[scottwade]

There are other means of finding out about a player using PED's.

Such as ?

 

[Indie_]

Such as?

- Players becoming suspicious, going to the highest figure of authority
- He himself could have been suspicious, and confronted Martin
- Maybe he walked in on Martin injecting

 

[Jack Lord]

Delighted to see the drugs probe focuses mainly on the NRL. Damned neanderthals.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/...rss&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

 

[RW]

Caro had an article today saying that Hird may well be gone because he presided over this mess... bloody glad this didn't happen to our club. Guess he's no longer the golden child. It's still sad though

 

[SM]

Delighted to see the drugs probe focuses mainly on the NRL. Damned neanderthals.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/...rss&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

I'm not. I'd rather not see this in any sport.

 

[CAS79]

Such as ?

Possesion, caught using it, fellow players say he was offering it around - used it in there presence-etc.

There's nothing like a positive test but there wont be one, we don't test for the substances under discussion this week and only a lab in Switzerland and a lab in cologne do. And apparently only the one in Cologne came back with results ASADA gave a thumbs up to, very expensive and there only going to send samples they have other intelligence on. Source interview on ABC grandstand Sunday afternoon.

 

[baja]

Like I said earlier, as soon as a substance is banned its changed. Testing is two steps behind.. its not cheating if its not banned.

 

[giantsully]

I've been told via insiders that we're clean. To the extent you might take any comfort from that...

 

[Jack Lord]

I'm not. I'd rather not see this in any sport.

I salute your diplomacy, SM. Commendable.

Me, I've always thought it'd be great if the sporting heads got together and said, "You know, we've got quite a few footy codes in this country. Maybe we should just ditch one?" To which the NRL, in a moment of selfless sacrifice, kindly offered themselves up. The AFL would get a huge injection of talent. Socceroos would step up on the world stage. And the wallabies wouldn't be quite so woeful. And yet, I digress ...

Anyway, it looks the drug problem in the AFL is not as disastrous as we were lead to believe a few days ago. It seems unlikely (touch wood) that the swans are involved in such shennanigans.

Ironically, I might also point out that two of my uncles were kangaroos (ARL).

 

[SM]

I salute your diplomacy, SM. Commendable.

Me, I've always thought it'd be great if the sporting heads got together and said, "You know, we've got quite a few footy codes in this country. Maybe we should just ditch one?" To which the NRL, in a moment of selfless sacrifice, kindly offered themselves up. The AFL would get a huge injection of talent. Socceroos would step up on the world stage. And the wallabies wouldn't be quite so woeful. And yet, I digress ...

Anyway, it looks the drug problem in the AFL is not as disastrous as we were lead to believe a few days ago. It seems unlikely (touch wood) that the swans are involved in such shennanigans.

Ironically, I might also point out that two of my uncles were kangaroos (ARL).

Don't think the domestic leagues have anything to do with the Socceroos to be honest. If an Aussie is THAT talented, they get snapped up at a young age a la Cahill. The types of guys who play League are no where near skilled enough to play Soccer. AFL players, yeah I could see them giving it a go - a Lewis Jetta I could see in the mould of a Theo Walcott winger/forward, an Adam Goodes as a decent keeper. I would love the day NRL dies just because the people of NSW would wake up to themselves, but it's not going to happen so may as well embrace all sports codes.

 

[GotTheGoodes]

If anything the NRL makes the AFL look more professional, integral and honest than would be the case without the NRL.

 

[MushroomRocket]

If anything the NRL makes the AFL look more professional, integral and honest than would be the case without the NRL.

I don't like the NRL very much when it comes to management (ie. criminal elements, betting) but they are certainly more professional than the AFL when it comes to PEDs.

Case in point: NRL has 2 strikes for PEDs/ recreational drugs while the AFL has three strikes, which has been widely criticised by the scientific community.

 

[RobbieK]

I don't like the NRL very much when it comes to management (ie. criminal elements, betting) but they are certainly more professional than the AFL when it comes to PEDs.

Case in point: NRL has 2 strikes for PEDs/ recreational drugs while the AFL has three strikes, which has been widely criticised by the scientific community.

The three strike policy only applies to recreational drugs. If you are caught using performance enhancing drugs once you will be suspended. I highly doubt the NRL has a two strike system for PEDs. If they do, it is a joke.

The problem with the three strikes policy is not the fact it has three strikes - it is the secrecy involved whereby no one other than the club doctor has any idea how many strikes their players have had and the loophole for self-reporting without a strike that are the issues.

Recreational and performance enhancing drugs are two very different issues and shouldn't be conflated.