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List Mgmt. FA & trade wash up, what list spots & draft picks do we have?
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Ok, so what happens in the following scenario..
Someone bids on one of our F/S players using a pick immediately before one our picks such that when we match using that pick, after applying the points discount we end up with a points surplus which is greater than the difference between our next pick and the one (or two, or three...) before it. Does our next pick move forward in the draft?
Someone bids on one of our F/S players using a pick immediately before one our picks such that when we match using that pick, after applying the points discount we end up with a points surplus which is greater than the difference between our next pick and the one (or two, or three...) before it. Does our next pick move forward in the draft?
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Pretty sure we get a pick added to our quota towards the back of the draft equal to the surplus points we paid.
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Perhaps, given rookie upgrades do require a draft pick to select them, we'll use a pick/s at the end of the draft and that may mean we take 6 live picks into the draft, assuming senior list is 34 before the additions of Keeffe and Smith.
28, 44, 51, 62, 65 & 80ish.
If 2 or more of these picks are required to select our father/sons, we just get another pick/s at the end of the draft for Keeffe and Smith.
28, 44, 51, 62, 65 & 80ish.
If 2 or more of these picks are required to select our father/sons, we just get another pick/s at the end of the draft for Keeffe and Smith.
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They used to use late picks for rookie upgrades but last year or two they haven't done it like that eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_AFL_draft
We already have picks 83, 101, 105 (just in case) http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/11/0...-every-teams-picks-in-order-and-club-by-club/
We have to use the first six picks before we get to 83..... Two of them will be for father sons and two spots will go to rookie promotions....
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1. 83 is our 6th pick
2. more than one pick may be used on each F/S to match points
3. you didn't actually take on board my post that you quoted did you? Have a look at the last two years drafts and tell me what picks were used on rookie promotions?
Fair enough.
Rookies promotions still take up a list spot.... so as it stands if we have six vacancies we will have two father sons two live picks and two promotions. Give or take nuances of the F/S points system if we have six players to pick up we will use four or maybe more draft picks for four players plus two rookies.
Whether or not rookie promotions are the last picks or just added in at the end doesnt really make any difference. Its still a bum on a seat, so to speak. I took what you said on board but I dont see the difference between "last pick" and "you dont have to use a pick". Maybe I misunderstand things.
Do you think its likely either of our live picks will be past 83?
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Thoughts on throwing Green from Brisbane a lifeline with a one or two year deal? Would be useful depth at worst. His position isn't one that we're drowning in depth for.
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No I don't expect to use past 83. I've posted (in this thread IIRC) reasoning why we may only use 28, 44, 51, 62. I expect we will only take 3 players in the draft (inc 2 F/S) and have a list size of 39 so we can nominate Cox as our 40th.
Only reason I said what I said in the first post you replied to was in reply to what I quoted. Maybe you didn't read what I quoted for context or maybe you have them on ignore. I'm not sure.
I dont have anybody on ignore. I prefer to ignore on a case by case basis!
Tks for clearing that up. Personally I think one live pick is a bit short. Would prefer to draft two but agree we need to cap list size at 39. Depends what we do with Marsh and Blair and a DFA selection. Or whether theres a senior listed player we could drop to the rookie list.
We could go with a list of 40 if we know Marsh will spend all year on the LTI list....
Tks for clearing that up. Personally I think one live pick is a bit short. Would prefer to draft two but agree we need to cap list size at 39. Depends what we do with Marsh and Blair and a DFA selection. Or whether theres a senior listed player we could drop to the rookie list.
We could go with a list of 40 if we know Marsh will spend all year on the LTI list....
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I'd be very surprised if we can put Marsh on LTI. To my (limited in this area) knowledge GWS couldn't with McCarthy. I've said somewhere on BF that mental health reasons (if that's what it is with Marsh) could be more serious than an ACL but are very difficult to put a timeframe on and hence very difficult to classify as long term.
We are Collingwood though, we can surely (touch wood) bank on a LTI to someone over preseason. Worst case Howe could have a holiday to WA to teach Marsh how to play frizbee while surfing (latter a DT reference)?
Good work barrackers - I tried to do something similar but got lost for a bit. Did you factor in the "no hidden picks" rule change? I read this as meaning that if we need to use 2 picks to make up the points then the remainder would be lost with the second pick being send to the back of the draft. Did you consider this in your numbers?
If this rule reading is true why on earth would we promote early and burn the fifth pick that has points? Unless perhaps the AFL is forcing clubs to remove rookie promotions from the draft night? If that's the case then I will watch to see if other clubs use picks for rookie promotion.
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Rookie promotions no longer occur on draft night while there's another 2 list lodgement dates I'm not sure if clubs can promote rookies after the first one. We can nominate 1/2 rookies if we finalise our senior list at 38/39, but that's slightly different.
You're correct with regards to leftover points being allocated to a new draft pick, basically it plugs into the draft order depending on the number of points. So if we have 50 points leftover that would convert to pick 69. It's not something I factored in though as I was looking at the cost of matching bids on both players whereas the new draft pick is allocated after one bid/match.
So if Blair leaves i assume pick 82 may come back to calculation?
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He could be a good option for short term, especially if Elliot doesn't get up.
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I'm ok with it now since I heard they quite enjoy it but I do think it's a shame to toss Blairy away for nothing. If we're gonna toss him we should have at least got a packet of crisps for the effort.
It's a yes from me. Worth the limited risk I reckon.
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Not the 1st Time I heard us being Linked to Dal Santo since end of Trade/FA Period
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A late one but I saw what you did there.
Guys can anyone help me, with the promotion of Keefe and Smith how many draft picks or senior spot vacancies do we have at the moment for the Draft?
Considering we still have Blair and Marsh on our list which could change.
Considering we still have Blair and Marsh on our list which could change.
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Basically we need to select 2-4 seniors and 3-5 rookies depending on if we go with a list size of 38, 39 or 40. We also have 2 vacancies for category B rookies, but they're outside the calculations and we don't need to fill those spots.
From the OP:
LIST SPOTS:
SENIOR
31.) Swan -> Wells
32.) Macaffer -> Mayne
33.) Brown -> Dunn
34.) Goodyear -> Hoskin-Elliott
35.) Frost -> Keeffe (rookie upgrade)
36.) Williams -> Smith (rookie upgrade)
37.) Cloke -> pick 28
38.) Witts -> pick 44
39.) Toovey -> pick 51
40.) pick 62
ROOKIES
R1.) Thomas
R2.) Smith (rookie upgrade)
R3.) Keeffe (rookie upgrade)
R4.) Golds
If senior list of 39 - R5.) Gault
If senior list of 38 - R6.)
Cat B 1.) Cox
Cat B 2.) Wyatt
Cat B 3.) not used in 2016
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Will be 3 or 4 (must make at least 3 ND selections - can include F/S).
Add an extra pick for each of Blair or Marsh if they leave. Also deduct a pick for each DFA we add prior to the draft (if any).
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Unlikely as 65 would come into it first. 83 only a factor if say Blair and Marsh left and in that event I wouldn't be surprised if we looked to a DFA before a pick that late.
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or Nominate a Rookie like Cox
