Autopsy Geelong loses to PA in QF2 by about 6 goals.

[Partridge]

Great Post so hopefully your takeout from all of the above is that your more likely to win with a generational team right? - well what we are saying is build that generational team instead of just topping up hoping that somehow the stars align and we pinch one. True it might fail but it's the only thing that's worked in the last 58 years.

Richmond were not considered a generational team by an awful lot of people and only grudgingly after last year's Grand final when we had to start looking for excuses.

Isn't it funny how the "it might fail" argument only applies to drafting? It's never discussed or seemingly considered when bringing in mature agers is the method. It's just accepted as something that must be done, and certainly must not be questioned.

 

[mcwilrob]

but but but - the scenarios are different every year, different factors, different group of players; that's what our coach says.

CS doesn't realise that when he says this he is not factoring in the one common denominator in those losses; his inability to get his players to enact his game plan when finals roll around.

how many more years now?

Yep. Scott's pressers just make me angry because he is totally in denial about all of this and takes zero responsibility that his "leadership" is part of the problem...

 

[calder_daddy]

Danger with Smith leading 2 players in metres gained just he has lost that explosive run

3 of Dangerfield’s last kicks were long bombs.
There’s 180 meters there, Smith did he work throughout the entire game.
Danger did not

 

[mcwilrob]

yeah if the afl just shortened all games by 50% we'd be right. Sorry but re-hashing that old argument is just garbage. The only reason we made the GF was because we didn't meet Richmond beforehand. Otherwise they almost certainly would have wilted under that pressure then too.
Face it GC_26 , this team folds under high pressure finals football. How many times must it be repeated?

Absolutely spot on! And the club wants to re-sign this coach who has shown total ineptness for getting the team up for finals (which is the real reason for H & A isn't it? to get into finals and vie for a flag?)

 

[Pollywaffle]

The problem with Scott and the MC is they aren't ruthless enough at selection.
Both Kolodjashnij and Dahlhaus are two most average players in the comp but both will never get dropped. It's sends a poor message to players at the lower level who come in and play well yet are the first to make way.
As for Guthrie he's playing like he was the year before his AA jumper. Jogging around without a care in the world. No effort, no intensity.

All pigheaded mutual backslappers, and too stubborn to make anything other than minor tweaks to the team or their master plan which has been unpicked repeatedly in finals.

 

[you pick one]

Henderson and Cameron looked to still be feeling the aftermath of last weeks collision, a week off would have been handy.Reality is when Blits and Guthrie types are winning your best and fairests your not winning flags.Well played Port much better side on the night, Geelong need a change of direction and some new faces driving the ship.The next 4 quarter should have a huge influence on Scotts future at the club going forward.

 

[Cursed Cat]

Richmond were not considered a generational team by an awful lot of people and only grudgingly after last year's Grand final when we had to start looking for excuses.

Isn't it funny how the "it might fail" argument only applies to drafting? It's never discussed or seemingly considered when bringing in mature agers is the method. It's just accepted as something that must be done, and certainly must not be questioned.

But it's a different landscape!
Free Agency!
We're a destination club!

 

[Cosmic Energy]

Just wanted to give a special mention to Higgins. When he failed to shepherd for Duncan earlier in the year signs weren’t good for me.

He is timid, selfish, slow, doesn’t tackle, and is a poor kick. Actually one of the worst recruits I can remember.

Never again.

 

[Partridge]

Just wanted to give a special mention to Higgins. When he failed to shepherd for Duncan earlier in the year signs weren’t good for me.

He is timid, selfish, slow, doesn’t tackle, and is a poor kick. Actually one of the worst recruits I can remember.

Never again.

Trade period is coming up. I'm very confident we can do it again.

 

[Cosmic Energy]

Trade period is coming up. I'm very confident we can do it again.

Welcome to Geelong, Marc Murphy!

 

[Vdubs]

We made a grand final last year due to shortened game due to covid and not meeting Richmond till the GF. That's my opinion and it's as relevant as yours.

I agree with that opinion. No argument at all. That's why last year was our best and last chance.

 

[Cursed Cat]

Luke Dalhaus should never play for the club again

I agree, and yet I find it hard to criticize him too harshly - he hasn't got much to give, the little he does have he gives - for mine it's on the MC for selecting him to play some ludicrous ''role'' that apparently only Luke Dahlhaus can play.

If the role entails selecting a forward who never hits the scoreboard, and whose main contribution is flopping onto contested F50 balls to force a ball-up, then surely it is time to re-jig the game plan.

No specialist role should be solely the responsibility of the most limited player in the comp.

 

[fpm84]

Just wanted to give a special mention to Higgins. When he failed to shepherd for Duncan earlier in the year signs weren’t good for me.

He is timid, selfish, slow, doesn’t tackle, and is a poor kick. Actually one of the worst recruits I can remember.

Never again.

It is infuriating to see young talents like Narkle, Clark and Holmes sitting on the sidelines while Higgins plays bruise free, skill free football.

Should not have been recruited, should not have played 15+ times this season and should not play in 2022.

 

[STPer18]

Is our new president going to have a crack at us for being upset at losing another final in pathetic fashion like the old one did?

 

[kickazz]

Agreed - the issues with the supposed "don't lose" game plan is that as soon as the pressure goes right up (which it always does in finals) Geelong players can't cope, and make stupid errors, turn it over, etc. and bingo, there's the game...

The other thing is this: mistakes happen in finals. Our great teams often made mistakes. But a game plan with more movement and dynamism does two things:

1. Gives you a chance to recover from your mistakes.

2. More importantly, gives you more chance to exploit the other side's mistakes. How often have you seen us perfectly execute our slow, chip out of defence, only to get posession about 65m out, then look at the tv and say "ok, great. What now?"

 

[caitsith01]

I'm pretty sure Danger broke his hand just before half time last week. He is not handling the ball well, he is normally a one grab mark but was two grabbing it and he looked to be trying to protect it in tackles and did not have the strength in the hand to hold on. It is not our year, the wheels fell off when Stewart got injured, then Tuohy plus Atkins. Atkins will be better next week. Players often play well first week back but then have a poor game second up. Could be Duncan off a bit next week.

People say this but I don't think I've ever seen Dangerfield one grab mark anything. Always seems to need to bites.

 

[Vdubs]

People say this but I don't think I've ever seen Dangerfield one grab mark anything. Always seems to need to bites.

If that is true, you have not been watching Geelong play.
One of Danger's strengths is his one grab OH marks.

 

[Cataholic]

Trade him to GC in the off-season for their 2nd round pick.

There; I've said it

Tell them to take him for free.

Just get rid of him. Please.

 

[kickazz]

Just wanted to give a special mention to Higgins. When he failed to shepherd for Duncan earlier in the year signs weren’t good for me.

He is timid, selfish, slow, doesn’t tackle, and is a poor kick. Actually one of the worst recruits I can remember.

Never again.

I'm getting sick of James Brayshaw banging on about how good he is too. Might be good mates from the North Melbourne days but yeah he sends to have not watched him this year.

 

[Cataholic]

Plus Scarlo would be livid but I think there should be changes in the assistance personals anyway

All the assistant coaches should go.

 

[Cursed Cat]

Just wanted to give a special mention to Higgins. When he failed to shepherd for Duncan earlier in the year signs weren’t good for me.

He is timid, selfish, slow, doesn’t tackle, and is a poor kick. Actually one of the worst recruits I can remember.

Never again.

Whose idea was it to recruit him?
Might have been a good idea 3 years ago when we were first in the market ... getting him post 2020 was a fanciful though; he should have retired.

 

[Sire of Claude]

Watching genuine young talent develop is much more fun than getting flogged in finals year in and year out. It amazes me that so many here are happy to "give ourselves a chance" annually only to watch a bunch of b-graders fail again. Our record in first finals is appalling and an indictment on the coaching group, who never seem to learn.

We had 3 decent players on the night - Duncan, Henry and Close. Smith and Danger battled hard but the latter, as we all know, is not a good user. Rohan... what can you say/

(Wojo could mark, run fast and kick it long. Kolo marks, stands still and kicks it to the opposition. There were 2 or 3 moments when he did precisely that. Why? Under instructions?)

 

[feelinfeline]

but but but - the scenarios are different every year, different factors, different group of players; that's what our coach says.

CS doesn't realise that when he says this he is not factoring in the one common denominator in those losses; his inability to get his players to enact his game plan when finals roll around.

how many more years now?

Scott is a stubborn, arrogant person who refuses to admit his errors. Andrew Bews said that he was arrogant when he used to play with him all those years ago.

If given the chance, he will do the same thing for another 10 years and we'll get the same results. And he'll say the same things at press conferences.

I don't put all this on Scott. The players are psychologically shot, and some of them physically shot too. It's the club as a whole. Why does composure go out the window as soon as the finals roll around every year? And that includes the players we bring in. Even a reliable goalkicker like Cameron starts missing easy ones.

Part of it is game style but not all of it. The players and coaches aren't accountable for their errors. There's a culture of complacency, despite the rhetoric of 'greatness'. They aren't prepared to be truly ruthless to achieve success. It's the easy way every time (bring in more 30 year olds).

I do think the only way we can get clean air is to let Scott go at the end of next year.

 

[Cursed Cat]

Tell them to take him for free.

Just get rid of him. Please.

Sold.

He was woeful, as usual - but his drop-off is nothing compared to Gary Rohan or Patrick Dangerfield's.

 

[Lana]

I can't help but feel were playing with a side that is really banged up. They killed us on the spread from congestion so there was a constant out number everywhere.

Separate from anything tactical, list demographics etc. The luck just isn't on our side for the moment.