Autopsy Geelong smashed by Demons in PF and its gonna be a long summer

[Strange Cat]

One thing i will say in the Cats defence - re the annihilation we copped

Not taking anything away from Melb - they played superbly

However i heard John Worsfold this year - he said when your coaching a decent/good side - one game per year normally - everything and anything goes wrong - you just have a dirty game

Even though Geel were badly outplayed - that is exactly what happened to Geel last night - the free kick against Holmes ( Melb goal ) the Melb bloke fell over in front of him - a really top line umpire wouldnt have paid that - . The over the shoulder free to Gawn - how technical was that - Melb goal

The 50 against Joel - the reversal of the kick re Close

Everything that could go wrong went wrong - it was a nightmare - Geel got a good run with the umps against GWS last week - they didnt even get scraps off the umpires last night

It was like the umpires saying - your cooked and got no hope - and you are getting absolutely nothing from us

Umpires had nothing to do with the 83 points

 

[51niwstac]

Sorry for the intrusion guys and commiserations. Read through this whole thread and frankly I'm amazed at the lack of angst on one point. Your problems begin in the ruck.

At the start of the year I told a mate of mine, who's a long time Cat's member, that you couldn't win a flag with your current ruck stocks. Stanley isn't the answer.

Given how well and strongly you trade it seems amazing to me that you haven't tried to rectify it while your stars were in their prime. It's the one piece of the jigsaw that's been missing at the Cattery for a long while.

You've badly needed another Brad Ottens.

Thanks mate, to go out like that was brutal. The chances of another Ottens are bleak. Stanley tries, he tries hard and to be honest, for mine I'd keep him, but he does need a better offsider. We need a centre halfback Hawkins clone. But what we really need is to admit we're in denial. Jagging a couple of elite players does not bode well, when you treat them like royalty with benefits and abandon or herd the others around like sheep. The philosophy at Geelong is toxic, and with board approval, the coaches are getting away with murder. Reset.

 

[Poetic Justice]

One thing i will say in the Cats defence - re the annihilation we copped

Not taking anything away from Melb - they played superbly

However i heard John Worsfold this year - he said when your coaching a decent/good side - one game per year normally - everything and anything goes wrong - you just have a dirty game

Even though Geel were badly outplayed - that is exactly what happened to Geel last night - the free kick against Holmes ( Melb goal ) the Melb bloke fell over in front of him - a really top line umpire wouldnt have paid that - . The over the shoulder free to Gawn - how technical was that - Melb goal

The 50 against Joel - the reversal of the kick re Close

Everything that could go wrong went wrong - it was a nightmare - Geel got a good run with the umps against GWS last week - they didnt even get scraps off the umpires last night

It was like the umpires saying - your cooked and got no hope - and you are getting absolutely nothing from us

It happened more than once

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Umpires had nothing to do with the 83 points

I wasnt saying it did

All i was pointing out - was when you have a shocking night everything goes wrong

And the Holmes free kick is a perfect example - technically in the rule book its their - but the Melb bloke simply lost his footing and went to the ground - and Holmes had no alternative but to go straight over the top of him

 

[Spazz Cat]

One thing i will say in the Cats defence - re the annihilation we copped

Not taking anything away from Melb - they played superbly

However i heard John Worsfold this year - he said when your coaching a decent/good side - one game per year normally - everything and anything goes wrong - you just have a dirty game

Even though Geel were badly outplayed - that is exactly what happened to Geel last night - the free kick against Holmes ( Melb goal ) the Melb bloke fell over in front of him - a really top line umpire wouldnt have paid that - . The over the shoulder free to Gawn - how technical was that - Melb goal

The 50 against Joel - the reversal of the kick re Close

Everything that could go wrong went wrong - it was a nightmare - Geel got a good run with the umps against GWS last week - they didnt even get scraps off the umpires last night

It was like the umpires saying - your cooked and got no hope - and you are getting absolutely nothing from us

I dunno man. First thing in the game Hawkins shoved May in the back and it was still called a mark.
Great piece of luck and an opportunity to settle nerves early.
He then kicked it out on the full.
Was kicking it out of bounds bad luck or things going wrong?
It happens at the start of every final we lose.
That's a lot of bad luck.

 

[Cool Cat]

Really? It's easy to critique a person from behind your keyboard! You would not have the slightest insight into the frustration experienced as a head AFL coach.

Ok I’ll just shut up so that you aren’t offended by dissenting views then.

 

[Cool Cat]

I’m still a bit confused by this…how exactly is he a wildcard talent?

He’s an okay kick, but prone to shanks with his balldrop. He's lightly built and put on very little muscle since entering the club. He's an average and usually poor decision maker, doesn't look to embrace contact, and by all reports his workrate is far from ecstatic.

He's got pace, I'll give him that. But Murdoch, Tenace and Cowan had pace.

Many have said this before me so I won't claim to be unique, but if he was taken at let's say...pick 50 rather than the first round...would any of us rate him? Or would he be one of the many we are all wanting delisted right now?

Fair criticisms, but I saw plenty in his first year with the club. He is also good overhead for a skinny rake, and some of the size issues are probably down to I think a shoulder or elbow injury - my impression was that he lost size from first to second year.

 

[Grimoz]

Isaac Smith was courted by the Dees , yet chose the cats. Sliding doors …

So what, he chose us and i doubt he cares about the Dees since he won a butt load of premierships at the Hawks

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Kobe's line of 'thought' is a fair example of the approach that has us where we are now. OK let's persevere with venerable proven failures and has-beens and bag one of the few young chaps with talent we've got. Fair dinkum.

Nice attempt at a pot-shot..but maybe do some research before you try and tell me what I'm thinking? You only have to go back about 16 hours...

Cheers

 

[standupand]

Isaac Smith was courted by the Dees , yet chose the cats. Sliding doors …

I think he admitted that the choice was more family and lifestyle related than footy related.

 

[winty]

One thing i will say in the Cats defence - re the annihilation we copped

Not taking anything away from Melb - they played superbly

However i heard John Worsfold this year - he said when your coaching a decent/good side - one game per year normally - everything and anything goes wrong - you just have a dirty game

Even though Geel were badly outplayed - that is exactly what happened to Geel last night - the free kick against Holmes ( Melb goal ) the Melb bloke fell over in front of him - a really top line umpire wouldnt have paid that - . The over the shoulder free to Gawn - how technical was that - Melb goal

The 50 against Joel - the reversal of the kick re Close

Everything that could go wrong went wrong - it was a nightmare - Geel got a good run with the umps against GWS last week - they didnt even get scraps off the umpires last night

It was like the umpires saying - your cooked and got no hope - and you are getting absolutely nothing from us

Probably had nothing to do with anything, but did anyone notice how Mollison shook the two captains' hands prior to the coin toss? With Gawn it was like two mates catching up at the pub for after-work drinks on a Friday night, but with Selwood it seemed somewhat like a handshake you'd give someone you were just being introduced to for the first time.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Fair criticisms, but I saw plenty in his first year with the club. He is also good overhead for a skinny rake, and some of the size issues are probably down to I think a shoulder or elbow injury - my impression was that he lost size from first to second year.

That's fair, agree to disagree

I don't rate him but I hope he's proves me wrong

 

[ninjahcat]

The Harshest of realities is-
A) teams with half the best 22 over 30 years of age rarely win premierships.
B) Our number one footballer this year Tom Stewart has only one year left as a footballer playing for Geelong in his 20's

Scott only remembers 2011, and thinks he can go one better with even more aging stars than that flag team. He always wants to "beat the system" and set new records.
Trouble is, they are aging, but they ain't stars.

 

[Flogwater]

I agree with most of the above but I’m not in anyway sad for Dangerfield. He had an admittedly great first 2 years but he has not proven himself consistently in big finals games like Selwood & Hawkins, or any of our greats. You need to earn flags and Dangerfield hasn’t in my eyes.

I should say there are some very disturbing signs with Jeremy Cameron when the heat is on. I was not a fan when he was sledging Tom Boyd in the 2016 prelim while choking himself, he might be just another semi final specialist.

Good post.

However, you have been generous to Hawkins regarding his finals record. He has had a very good career, particularly in the last few seasons, but his overall finals record is disappointing. 0-2 goals in many finals. This output has been a key factor in Geelong's poor finals record under Scott.

Five goals is regarded as a good bag for a team's full-forward/main forward target. IIRC: Hawkins has had only two 5+ goal hauls in finals matches across a 15 season career: vs North in the 2014 semi and last week against GWS.

Apologies if someone else has made this type of observation earlier in this thread.

 

[Commando]

One positive I suppose is that Zuthrie wasn’t our worst player...

 

[feelinfeline]

One positive I suppose is that Zuthrie wasn’t our worst player...

Far from it. He was one of our best in fact.

On the whole he showed composure that was sadly lacking in many of our bigger names.

 

[Spazz Cat]

I like Zuthrie now!

 

[Cataholic]

Far from it. He was one of our best in fact.

On the whole he showed composure that was sadly lacking in many of our bigger names.

It shows that putting a few games into a young bloke, no matter what, CAN unearth something.

 

[Strange Cat]

Probably had nothing to do with anything, but did anyone notice how Mollison shook the two captains' hands prior to the coin toss? With Gawn it was like two mates catching up at the pub for after-work drinks on a Friday night, but with Selwood it seemed somewhat like a handshake you'd give someone you were just being introduced to for the first time.

Joel not very well liked to be fair

 

[Spazz Cat]

Probably had nothing to do with anything, but did anyone notice how Mollison shook the two captains' hands prior to the coin toss? With Gawn it was like two mates catching up at the pub for after-work drinks on a Friday night, but with Selwood it seemed somewhat like a handshake you'd give someone you were just being introduced to for the first time.

Really? The guy who has gotten the most free kicks in the modern game by a stunning margin.
The umps just don't like him. And were gonna screw him.

 

[Mr_Cat_Man01]

I think more than anything last night illustrated our issues in the midfield are huge. We got slaughtered around the ball and were murdered at stoppages. A great midfield who is hard to play against will protect the back six and supply the forwards. Our guys were just so far off Melbourne.

Quite ironic that Scott hated the bye since it’s inception but was desperate to have it this year. If players playing under significant duress you can see why.

Last night I was hopeful and optimistic we could be really competitive. It was evident early we were in trouble.
I’m not sure how much things will change. Getting the recruits we have , we didn’t get them to fall away so I doubt we will recruit experience cause there is no one around. Also with Scott I think he there is a change there it will be of his own accord.
Having Steve Hocking coming in will be very interesting. He doesn’t mind changing things as seen in his previous role. Perhaps as lots have suggested some brand new assistants with a more balanced view to promoting youth would be the go.

Big decisions are going to be have to be made for the direction of this club. Hopefully as the club has done historically the calls they make will be the right ones.

 

[Strange Cat]

Can the club also tear down all those greatness slogan? Nothing about the club indicates that it has greatness atm

 

[BotsMaster]

Can the club also tear down all those greatness slogan? Nothing about the club indicates that it has greatness atm

Yep replace it with messages of mediocrity

 

[Cool Cat]

Really good vision. Seemed to be a lot of this last night. It's not so much lazy as just defensively unintelligent.

Sidenote: that vision by Petracca was insane.

If Selwood hadn’t attacked him petracca would have just run on and delivered inside 50 himself, at least he was forced into pulling off a 50/50 handball. I thought selwood had more of a crack than most last night.

 

[you pick one]

Probably had nothing to do with anything, but did anyone notice how Mollison shook the two captains' hands prior to the coin toss? With Gawn it was like two mates catching up at the pub for after-work drinks on a Friday night, but with Selwood it seemed somewhat like a handshake you'd give someone you were just being introduced to for the first time.

I did it looked a little unusual some how couldn't put my finger on it.