Review Good/Bad vs Brisbane, R9 2022

Who played well against Brisbane?

  • Sam Berry

  • Luke Brown

  • Jordan Dawson

  • Tom Doedee

  • Darcy Fogarty

  • Will Hamill

  • Jackson Hately

  • Elliott Himmelberg

  • Mitch Hinge

  • Chayce Jones

  • Ben Keays

  • Rory Laird

  • Shane McAdam

  • Ned McHenry

  • Nick Murray

  • Josh Rachele

  • James Rowe

  • Lachlan Sholl

  • Brodie Smith

  • Jake Soligo

  • Kieran Strachan

  • Taylor Walker


Results are only viewable after voting.

Remove this Banner Ad

FWIW…

View attachment 1401068

I note they rated Fog’s game as superior to Andrews and Tex/Berg…Brown negative for the match.
While I quite like the attempt to use data to qualify the performance of players, and I understand that I have a hang up about this particular player, but I can’t quite get my head around the fact that Jones had an 11 possession, 2 tackle game which included 5 turnovers at 46% disposal efficiency… and somehow was rated on par with Cameron and significantly better than Coleman, Raynor, Rich and McCluggage.

Yes, he attacks the ball beautifully. Yes he runs hard and breaks lines… but he does very, very little with it. He is David Mackay 2.0. Certainly not the worst player but a whole lot of meh. Please let me be wrong, but I just don’t get it.
 
While I quite like the attempt to use data to qualify the performance of players, and I understand that I have a hang up about this particular player, but I can’t quite get my head around the fact that Jones had an 11 possession, 2 tackle game which included 5 turnovers at 46% disposal efficiency… and somehow was rated on par with Cameron and significantly better than Coleman, Raynor, Rich and McCluggage.

Yes, he attacks the ball beautifully. Yes he runs hard and breaks lines… but he does very, very little with it. He is David Mackay 2.0. Certainly not the worst player but a whole lot of meh. Please let me be wrong, but I just don’t get it.
It’s because he does a few things that look good that give you the impression he’s played better than he did, plus we desperately need him to come on given what we paid for him.

But we need to play him in the midfield, we need more from him than just a back pocket.
 

Log in to remove this ad.

FWIW…

View attachment 1401068

I note they rated Fog’s game as superior to Andrews and Tex/Berg…Brown negative for the match.
I don't see the hate for Fogs game as many people did.

The fact he was tackling and actually putting pressure on defenders in the f50 was a promising sign.

I guess selection will tell us if Nick's rated it
 
I think FOG really struggles as he just isn't y'all enough to clunk marks from bad kicks and out club is full of them. He doesn't have the reach of Gollant or the smarts of Tex and is too small as a KPF.

He is caught between a midfielder/HF and a KPF which still baffles me as to why the club hasn't pushed him as a midfielder/HF. He has been used in that position about 5 times in AFL and SANFL since drafted
Because he can’t run re midfield which is a runners game and also he’s not a smart footballer

And people shouldn’t confuse being able to kick the ball with being smart
 
How many do the best teams have on average rotate through each week?
7 min or so

The problem for us is we won’t develop mids (which we desperately need) if we don’t run numbers thru there

It’s very frustrating

It’s also good for our mids to develop in other positions to make them better players

It’s just bad policy we aren’t running more players thru there , it’s short termism but doesn’t even necessarily help short term either
 
I don't see the hate for Fogs game as many people did.

The fact he was tackling and actually putting pressure on defenders in the f50 was a promising sign.

I guess selection will tell us if Nick's rated it
Now he’s in the side again he needs a few games to see where he’s at

Step 1 - he was competitive ( a bit of a similar effort to round 1 against freo ) , let’s hope he can add layers to that in next few weeks

If not then I don’t think he has many more chances left
 
7 min or so

The problem for us is we won’t develop mids (which we desperately need) if we don’t run numbers thru there

It’s very frustrating

It’s also good for our mids to develop in other positions to make them better players

It’s just bad policy we aren’t running more players thru there , it’s short termism but doesn’t even necessarily help short term either
Who else should we be putting through there?
 
Lowest for the round again. It’s almost like we have one of the strongest midfields and can’t justify mixing it up

Going into the last quarter Laird had around 25 possessions and only about 150 metres gained.

When the game was out of reach why not flip he and Jones around and give Jones a quarter playing in the middle and move Laird back to half back?

Blight once famously said that he didn't regret losing a game, he only regretted the losses where he didn't try anything different and walked away learning nothing. He'd rather lose by 60 points and walk away having learnt something rather than losing by 5 goals and not learning anything.

We conceded 8 straight goals and yet did absolutely nothing and as a consequence learned nothing.

It just feels like Nicks just doesn't have a lot of creativity as a coach and doesn't think outside the box.
 
Yep, really need to keep diversifying that set up. I mean it is great that two youngins were in there but this should be us planning more for the future and not with an eye on making the eight this year.

I suspect there is some scarring from that 16 game loss streak in 2020, seeing one of the things we did to finally break through was limit who we had in the midfield.
 
Now he’s in the side again he needs a few games to see where he’s at

Step 1 - he was competitive ( a bit of a similar effort to round 1 against freo ) , let’s hope he can add layers to that in next few weeks

If not then I don’t think he has many more chances left
He needs to do what he did Sat night

And kick goals it's a clear path for him.
 
It's Fog's first game back in 6 weeks.
If the guys upfield didn't keep bombing it on his head, he would need to wrestle so much.
But Andrews is 202cm 100kg and played 145 games, if we are breaking even in that situation you take it every time.
Everyone understands that he needs to hit the scoreboard but this infatuation from posters that guys can't dominate in the AFL after a couple of matches is ridiculous

He did play every game in the SANFL (and did well), so it's not like he's rusty/out of touch.

Fog is having one weird season. Like watching him, he looks like he's genuinely improved as a footballer but isn't getting the rewards for it.
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

Who else should we be putting through there?

Jones for one, he will never be anything more than list clogger if we continue to keep trying to turn him into a back pocket.

I don't think he has a high footy IQ in terms of the defensive aspect of the game.

He has explosive speed and naturally is a ball chaser and we've spent his time either trying to play him as a defensive mid which was a massive fail or trying to turn him into a defender.

Give him time in the midfield and a license to run and let him play his natural game.

Ultimately if it doesn't work it doesn't but at least we've actually given it a go rather than waste time trying to turn him into a defender.
 
When the game was out of reach why not flip he and Jones around and give Jones a quarter playing in the middle and move Laird back to half back?
Why not, indeed? It's a great move for that quarter.and won't lose a game that's all ready lost. Talk to Jones at 3/4 time and say "OK, show us what you can do". No need to explain anything to Laird; he'd get it.
 
Going into the last quarter Laird had around 25 possessions and only about 150 metres gained.

When the game was out of reach why not flip he and Jones around and give Jones a quarter playing in the middle and move Laird back to half back?

Blight once famously said that he didn't regret losing a game, he only regretted the losses where he didn't try anything different and walked away learning nothing. He'd rather lose by 60 points and walk away having learnt something rather than losing by 5 goals and not learning anything.

We conceded 8 straight goals and yet did absolutely nothing and as a consequence learned nothing.

It just feels like Nicks just doesn't have a lot of creativity as a coach and doesn't think outside the box.
We have one go to move and it’s Rachelle. It’s embarrassing that that’s our only move.
 
Ranges from 8-11, we had the lowest at 7. But that’s not really a relevant question anyway, they are the best teams because in part they have very strong midfields. Whereas we are developing team, with a shit midfield we need to develop.

But is there any chance for once you’ll just accept we make shit decisions without trying to justify them?


LOL, no chance.
 
We have one go to move and it’s Rachelle. It’s embarrassing that that’s our only move.

And usually only in the last quarter when the game is lost.

I said it a few weeks ago, we should be splitting Lairds CBA's with Jones, 10 or 11 each - would free Jones up to be more attacking/get him into the play.
 
Ranges from 8-11, we had the lowest at 7. But that’s not really a relevant question anyway, they are the best teams because in part they have very strong midfields. Whereas we are developing team, with a shit midfield we need to develop.

But is there any chance for once you’ll just accept we make shit decisions without trying to justify them?

A grade midfield - Club cheerleader probably.
 
Everything has been excavated. This is why we are raw and inexperienced. Rebuilds don’t happen over night. We are two years into it. Have patience.
Couldn’t disagree with you more.

Coach has no business in his spot.

The decisions on trades/evaluation of talent/drafting is on par with the Browns the last 3 decades.

Need to completely gut the organization top to bottom and get in people who know what the hell they are doing
 
Not sure how you can confidently say Gollant over Fogarty at this point, Both underwhelming on the scoreboard but at least Fogarty has presence up the field

I don't think that anyone can be confident that either Gollant or Fogarty are going to pan out. They have almost identical stats in 2022.

FOG - 44 games total. 5 Preseasons. Came into AFL with an AFL ready body.
Gollant - 8 games total. 3 preseasons. Came into the team the same height as Tex, but 28 kilos lighter

If FOG wasn't pick 12 nobody would be advocating for him.
 

Remove this Banner Ad

Review Good/Bad vs Brisbane, R9 2022

Back
Top