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all seeing eye said:
To be fair you could say that about fair few clubs. Quality and experience falls away pretty quickly from high 20s onwards.
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I think the difference with Port and the lower, 10-12 teams, is that the bottom of the list can’t consistently play the roles required of them.

Ie McEntee can’t cover Fantasia. Lord/Clurey/Pasini can’t cover for a first choice KPD
Hayes/Teackle/Visentini can’t cover for Lycett
Etc etc

Of course we haven’t really tried Pas, Teak, Hayes, Ollie or Dante - so a tad harsh. But the point is really the depth isn’t there.
 

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Long live PAFC said:
I think the difference with Port and the lower, 10-12 teams, is that the bottom of the list can’t consistently play the roles required of them.

Ie McEntee can’t cover Fantasia. Lord/Clurey/Pasini can’t cover for a first choice KPD
Hayes/Teackle/Visentini can’t cover for Lycett
Etc etc

Of course we haven’t really tried Pas, Teak, Hayes, Ollie or Dante - so a tad harsh. But the point is really the depth isn’t there.
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Partially true , but sometimes its about adherence to a solid consistent structure ie like for like. As an example Clurey for Mckenzie was the obvious, playing a similiar role, rather they opt for Burgoyne and throw the balance out. Look at Ross Lyon who is able to structure up a group from lower quality depth players and win a game. This has been a constant issue during Hinkleys rein.
 
1. Sean Darcy - fills a desperate need and Josh Carr might have a good connection with him
2. Kysaiah Pickett - gun - not a need but a match winner.
3. Ben McKay - fills another desperate need
 
Holden Hillbilly said:
To get those we would need to trade out 3 top players. Name names.
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Hi Hill Billy

I enjoy your work on the Father Son thread.

I think Ben McKay is a free agent so we would not have to give anything up for him. The Kangaroos would probably get a 1st round pick compensation from the AFL.

I obviously want to keep all our good young players but Georgiades back to Freo and Josh Sinn back to Melbourne.

I guess that is a start.

Darcy would be a massive upgrade similar to Junior Rioli snagging the games away from Jed McEntee.
He can tap, he can mark, he can kick goals. He's a good age profile for our list and Freo paid big for Luke Jackson so he might be a bit unhappy about that.
 
With all the talk about how we can get an extra first round pick, here's an interesting thought.

I've long held the view that the tenures of Hinkley and Wines are linked. They started together and it has just always felt like they would finish together. Ollie is 30 next year. His chances of success at Port are next to none. Assuming Hinkley gets sacked, would he go to a Victorian club on say a 3 year deal looking to win a flag?

I hope this is wrong because I'd like to see Ollie remain a one club player. But it's food for thought.
 
TeeKray said:
With all the talk about how we can get an extra first round pick, here's an interesting thought.

I've long held the view that the tenures of Hinkley and Wines are linked. They started together and it has just always felt like they would finish together. Ollie is 30 next year. His chances of success at Port are next to none. Assuming Hinkley gets sacked, would he go to a Victorian club on say a 3 year deal looking to win a flag?

I hope this is wrong because I'd like to see Ollie remain a one club player. But it's food for thought.
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Could see him joining the Bombers.
 

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RossFC said:
Schulzenfest
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From today's Addie; Thursday, March the 30th.
McKay has played only 52 games in seven-and-a-bit seasons, is out injured again with a foot fracture, and would command a salary in excess of $800,000 to move. Clearly, there is risk, and Carlton is interested, too, if Tom De Koning leaves.

Port is at the upper limit of its salary cap, but could entertain offers for ruckman Scott Lycett to help free-up some room for McKay.
Lycett, 30, arrived on a bumper five year-deal worth $3 million, but is out-of-contract this year and could come under selection pressure.
 
Entertain offers for lycett? Lol why? He’s out of contract, and if we’re dumb enough to give him one it would be a 1 year deal on whatever coin we can spare.

No other club would be interested in lycett unless he came for free and as a backup for iniury role.

What are they paying these idiots to write this shit
 
philthy05 said:
Entertain offers for lycett? Lol why? He’s out of contract, and if we’re dumb enough to give him one it would be a 1 year deal on whatever coin we can spare.

No other club would be interested in lycett unless he came for free and as a backup for iniury role.

What are they paying these idiots to write this s**t
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port districts are very interested, wont be anywhere but there next year..hes cooked well and truly
 
Bevoman said:
From today's Addie; Thursday, March the 30th.
McKay has played only 52 games in seven-and-a-bit seasons, is out injured again with a foot fracture, and would command a salary in excess of $800,000 to move. Clearly, there is risk, and Carlton is interested, too, if Tom De Koning leaves.

Port is at the upper limit of its salary cap, but could entertain offers for ruckman Scott Lycett to help free-up some room for McKay.
Lycett, 30, arrived on a bumper five year-deal worth $3 million, but is out-of-contract this year and could come under selection pressure.
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Upper limit of our salary cap????
WTF?
Have we been lied to these past few seasons?
I get Rioli and JHF are on decent coin, but Boak and others would have dropped a bit as they got older, Gray, Motlop, etc not here anymore, a couple of veterans will be let go at year's end, and we were apparently way under before
I expected we would have a pretty decent war chest still left - unless Ken got a fully deserved pay rise?
 
philthy05 said:
Entertain offers for lycett? Lol why? He’s out of contract, and if we’re dumb enough to give him one it would be a 1 year deal on whatever coin we can spare.

No other club would be interested in lycett unless he came for free and as a backup for iniury role.

What are they paying these idiots to write this s**t
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The point is, his $600K will not be included in our Salary Cap next year.
If he stays it would be for a lot $less
 
Can anybody see this?
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Ken Hinkley only wanted to talk about one man when he started dialling Jason Cripps’ mobile phone number.
The Port Adelaide coach had just watched Jason Horne-Francis tear-up the SANFL preliminary final for South Adelaide late in 2021 and was desperate for his list manager Cripps to work some sort of trade miracle to secure the No. 1 draft pick from North Melbourne.

“Sell the farm”, Hinkley said, in a manner that was half-serious, half tongue-in-cheek.

The Kangaroos batted away huge offers from Port Adelaide and Adelaide for the top pick in late 2021, but fast forward nine months and Cripps’ ears began to prick up again when it became clear Horne-Francis was unhappy living across the Victorian border.

Perhaps it was obvious in the way Horne-Francis was playing. The way he was clashing with teammates.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...l/news-story/74ab6b0de0cfef1b87bfb802df8ecd63
Then he was dropped. But this was never about one missed icebath.

There was a game late last season when North Melbourne officials were unsure whether Horne-Francis would actually play-out the second half of a match.

Whether Horne-Francis took off his boots or not in frustration or protest remains unclear, but what was absolutely certain was that the first-year playmaker was incredibly unhappy.

And the feelings were beginning to become a little mutual across the club.

Port Adelaide always had eyes for Jason Horne-Francis. Picture: Matt Turner
Port Adelaide, however, saw upside. The Power is a football club that does not rebuild. Not ever.

If there is a list philosophy written up on a blackboard somewhere in the bowels of Alberton it will say something like ‘Win now, win later’.

Port Adelaide does not want to do what Hawthorn is doing this season, and what Carlton and Melbourne have done in the past.

Anyone at Port who wants to rebuild should probably pack their bags, as the Power is the only club in the AFL yet to receive a wooden spoon.

So, late last year, a window opened to land a No. 1 pick without crashing to the bottom of the ladder, and even better, Horne-Francis was a South Australian hometown hero.

And since the Crows were into Izak Rankine, it was clear where “the Hornet” was headed in his desire to be closer to family, including his three-year-old brother.

At the same time, Port had briefly considered landing Richmond hard nut Jack Graham, and hosted him at the club in the first week of the exchange period.

But that plot was quickly abandoned when Horne-Francis’s manager Ben Williams indicated his client was keen on the Port Adelaide deal, only hours after Graham had met Hinkley, Cripps and Chris Davies.

Sorry, Jack. It was awkward timing. But that was the day things ramped up.


FINALS OR BUST

There was, after all, a sense of urgency at Port Adelaide entering this season.

Hinkley’s contract expires at the end of 2023 and the spotlight was always going to be intense on Port Adelaide’s senior coach this year as the club negotiated a brutal first five weeks of the fixture.

But what shouldn’t be lost is Hinkley’s outstanding home and away record (131 wins - 92 losses) entering his 10th season.

The Power won more games than any other club in 2020-21, but got smashed in the 2021 preliminary final by Western Bulldogs, and was then hard-hit by injury early in 2022, missing finals by two games.

Impressively, the Power rallied after the slow start last year, confirming the players all still believed in Hinkley.

In contrast, West Coast faced a similar situation in recent years and raised the white flag.

But Hinkley’s systems work. Even with some personnel issues down back, Port had the best defence in the league in 2020 (average 51.1 points against) and the third-ranked setup in 2021 (67.8).

Subsequently, Port assessed its list late last season and thought it wasn’t that far away, if it could fill some gaps.

So all the poker chips were pushed into the middle of the table, knowing it had the makings of an elite young midfield to build around.


Ken Hinkley and his team have no interest in rebuilding. Picture: Getty Images
The club had been crafty at the trade table in recent years, securing picks 12 and 18 from St Kilda for key defender Dougal Howard, Paddy Ryder and Pick 10.

They snared Ryan Burton and pick 18 (Xavier Duursma) from Hawthorn in exchange for Chad Wingard, making the most of Alastair Clarkson’s desire to keep the Hawks up the top.

Then Port landed Aliir Aliir for a second-round pick, effectively replacing a spoiler (Howard) for an interceptor (Aliir).

So, after some tough trade talks with North list boss Brady Rawlings, Cripps landed Horne-Francis and Junior Rioli in a four-way mega-deal with West Coast, the Kangaroos and GWS.

The move cost Port its first-round pick (number eight) last year, as well as this year’s first, second and third-round selections. They’re the poker chips.

But the Power also netted in return two potential stars, as well as a second-round pick tied to Collingwood and a third-rounder tied to Fremantle.

Port swooped on Rioli because it had struggled with its forward connection and potency at ground level without injured speedster Orazio Fantasia and Robbie Gray retired.

Horne-Francis and Rioli, who was one of the Eagles’ best runners, was a significant one-two hit to boost the forward half of the ground, but Cripps had one more name on his whiteboard.
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