List Mgmt. List Management 2023-24

[Windy Cindy]

Actually I think you pretty much can blame 95% of that on the coach.

nah your excusing the players way too much, and more importantly the senior players.

i cant excuse players playing in the prison bars or the Ebert game for their lack of effort, crap coaching or not, show some friggen effort, thats an absolute minimum. have some pride in your performance, kids i can excuse but not the senior players.

 

[philthy05]

nah your excusing the players way too much, and more importantly the senior players.

i cant excuse players playing in the prison bars or the Ebert game for their lack of effort, crap coaching or not, show some friggen effort, thats an absolute minimum. have some pride in your performance, kids i can excuse but not the senior players.

The worst examples of the senior players your accusing of letting us down are the ones who have a gold pass under ken, and will get the boot under a new coach.

 

[Windy Cindy]

The worst examples of the senior players your accusing of letting us down are the ones who have a gold pass under ken, and will get the boot under a new coach.

gunna be a big cleanout then.

i look forward to it

 

[raptalia]

Lukosius with 5 goals and 9 marks. Different types, but good option if George goes?

As I posted previously that 5 goal haul yesterday was only the second time that Lukosius has kicked 2 goals in 76 games.

 

[hazpaz]

As I posted previously that 5 goal haul yesterday was only the second time that Lukosius has kicked 2 goals in 76 games.

I see what you’re saying, but not an entirely accurate reflection of his output given he’s played 75% of his career at half back or on the wing.

Could see him having a breakout year this season though!

 

[raptalia]

I see what you’re saying, but not an entirely accurate reflection of his output given he’s played 75% of his career at half back or on the wing.

Could see him having a breakout year this season though!

Yes, maybe this is his year. In any case Lukosious is contracted til the end of 2026 so if he has a breakout year he will become a pricey recruit.

 

[Bevoman]

On the subject of tall backs I have been watching Gold Coast v Geelong and have watched Ratagolea closely. He is tall but does not look to be anything outstanding. Ratagolea could play as a the tall spoiling defender and allow Aliir to play as a tall intercept. If he is still in the market then maybe worth a try and could be involved in a trade of some sort.

Agree, Ratagolea is not the answer; that ship has sailed.
With limited draft capital we will be chasing free agents hopefully not Sav.

 

[Bevoman]

Yes, maybe this is his year. In any case Lukosious is contracted til the end of 2026 so if he has a breakout year he will become a pricey recruit.

Fantasy island, it will be a while before we sell the farm again

 

[Bevoman]

Absolute deadwood. Massive list problems in that 24-32 zone or so that will need to be rectified if we are to be competitive.

Give the so called developing players a go. No progress in the SANFL so developed em in the Seniors.
McCallum, Williams, Pasina, Sinn and Evans could come in.

SCG is a small ground, ideal week to give Hayes another chance with Finlayson being the mobile ruckman.

 

[NoddyHolder]

Give the so called developing players a go. No progress in the SANFL so developed em in the Seniors.
McCallum, Williams, Pasina, Sinn and Evans could come in.

SCG is a small ground, ideal week to give Hayes another chance with Finlayson being the mobile ruckman.

McCallum is nowhere near ready and Sinn needs a few more weeks building fitness. I'd be happy to see the others you mention given a run, although it's just deckchairs until Kenny sails off into the sunset

 

[RossFC]

Still hoping McKay (FA), Ratugolea (Token pick) and Pasini (on our list) can replace Clurey, McKenzie and Jonas.

 

[Sleezy]

Obvious cuts:
- Dumont, McEntee

Retirements:
- Jonas, Lycett

Players I would throw a few games to, to see what they can do:
- Lord, Williams

Players I would trade for magic beans:
- DBJ, Clurey, Mead, Bonner, Farrell

 

[1954]

McCallum is nowhere near ready and Sinn needs a few more weeks building fitness. I'd be happy to see the others you mention given a run, although it's just deckchairs until Kenny sails off into the sunset

Agreed re McCallum he's miles off it atm, and Sinn needs at least another couple of strong performances with the Maggies before being considered for AFL selection, if we play him at the top level too early the risks of him breaking down again and missing a huge chunk of yet another season are way too high.

 

[Obeanie1]

Pickett was born and raised in WA: if he were to leave Melbourne, the WA clubs will come hard for him.

Freo need tall forwards not another small mid / forward.

Eagles won't trade for him as he'd cost too much and they need to hit the draft.

So SA may just be an option.

 

[davesnothere]

We burn Ken off and Butters decides he wants to explore his options?

That's Pickett with change for mine.

 

[RangaInTeal]

Obvious cuts:
- Dumont, McEntee

Retirements:
- Jonas, Lycett

Players I would throw a few games to, to see what they can do:
- Lord, Williams

Players I would trade for magic beans:
- DBJ, Clurey, Mead, Bonner, Farrell

99%

I would put Mead into the Lord and Williams category.

But absolutely. Anyone with half a brain understands Ken is on the way out and Pinning our hopes for one last dip at a flag on Dixon and Boak should be dust by round 8.

I would love Boak and Dixon playing another couple of years under a different coach, but need to blood 10 games into Lord, Williams, Hayes and Mead. No matter how far they are from it. Give them some games to see if there is ANYTHING there for the next bloke to use!

 

[Bevoman]

Obvious cuts:
- Dumont, McEntee

Retirements:
- Jonas, Lycett

Players I would throw a few games to, to see what they can do:
- Lord, Williams

Players I would trade for magic beans:
- DBJ, Clurey, Mead, Bonner, Farrell

Love Willimas to get a game, disagree with Dumont as an obvious cut.
As a former AFL Vice Captian he costs up peanuts

 

[Bevoman]

Love Willimas to get a game, disagree with Dumont as an obvious cut.
As a former AFL Vice Captian he costs up peanuts

Interrupted this morning, therefore I did not finish my Dumont reply completely; so here goes.

Dumont is an ideal age for footy being 27 and was praised as the only person who showed leadership in the SANFL last weekend.
When he played on a wing last year, Boak game improved dramatically; Dumont was not dropped, he lost his position because of injury.

Depending how they improve, young guns like Bergman and Sinn should end up as on-ballers (and not wingman).
Given our propensity for trading back into the draft, both young guns may end up as go home trade bait.

 

[Sleezy]

Interrupted this morning, therefore I did not finish my Dumont reply completely; so here goes.

Dumont is an ideal age for footy being 27 and was praised as the only person who showed leadership in the SANFL last weekend.
When he played on a wing last year, Boak game improved dramatically; Dumont was not dropped, he lost his position because of injury.

Depending how they improve, young guns like Bergman and Sinn should end up as on-ballers (and not wingman).
Given our propensity for trading back into the draft, both young guns may end up as go home trade bait.

I'm just going by the description from the magpies game (which i admittedly didn't watch) where he was described as being on the same tier as Sutcliffe in terms of uselessness.

Possibly harsh, given he doesn't seem to have trained at all over summer, but as a fringe player he needs to be making a strong case for retention or we should be cutting him in favour of a young high risk/high reward tall (or goal kicking small).

 

[Chrizzt]

Love Willimas to get a game, disagree with Dumont as an obvious cut.
As a former AFL Vice Captian he costs up peanuts

Durry Bong Cones is a VC and I'm just about prepared to package him with Rozee and Butters just to get him the **** off our list, so VC doesn't mean much

 

[PowerLil]

At the last draft, the media predicted we would select Phillips (from Port Melbourne).
We and every other club ignored him.

For what it is worth, Clurey has a foot problem that has precipitated him wearing a modified boot for the last few years.

For the last few years? You're kidding right? So we sign him until 2025. We are run by morons.

 

[PowerLil]

We burn Ken off and Butters decides he wants to explore his options?

That's Pickett with change for mine.

I love Zak Butters but if he leaves because Stinkley goes, I'm sorry but bye Zak. We'll have 2 firsts.

 

[NoddyHolder]

I'm just going by the description from the magpies game (which i admittedly didn't watch) where he was described as being on the same tier as Sutcliffe in terms of uselessness.

I watched most of the game on the telly and this is fair and accurate

 

[rumoursofwinter]

Our out of contract list is dire.

We are going to have to keep some lucky players...and we have stuff all draft picks!

2023
1 Tom Jonas - retire
10 Travis Boak

10

Travis Boak

Age

36

Ht

183cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.7

5star

K

11.6

4star

HB

12.0

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

4.4

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

22.0

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

11.0

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

9.0

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.4

4star

- might retire
12 Trent McKenzie

12

Trent Mckenzie

Age

32

Ht

191cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.6

4star

MG

305.7

4star

D

12.1

3star

K

10.6

4star

HB

1.6

1star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.1

2star

MG

290.6

4star

D

16.8

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.8

5star

- likely retire
13 Orazio Fantasia - possible de-list. Probably get a year on low $.
14 Miles Bergman - hopefully keep but might leave.
19 Mitch Georgiades

19

Mitch Georgiades

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

2.0

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

G

2.0

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

2.0

5star

- hopefully keep but might leave.
22 Charlie Dixon

22

Charlie Dixon

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.7

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.6

5star

D

10.5

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.5

2star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.5

2star

G

2.5

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.8

4star

- keep short contract.
24 Kane Farrell

6

Kane Farrell

Age

25

Ht

182cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.1

4star

MG

259.5

4star

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

3star

MG

259.5

4star

D

9.6

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.6

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

- likely to keep but meh.
25 Sam Hayes - likely to leave for nothing.
26 Riley Bonner

36

Riley Bonner

Age

27

Ht

190cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.2

4star

K

12.1

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.4

3star

MG

279.8

4star

D

12.3

3star

K

10.3

4star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.5

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

279.8

4star

D

21.4

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

7.4

5star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.0

4star

- likely to leave free agent.
27 Brynn Teakle - probably keep but i don't see much there.
29 Scott Lycett

29

Scott Lycett

Age

32

Ht

203cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.6

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

6.3

4star

CL

2.6

4star

HO

19.0

5star

D

11.3

3star

K

5.7

2star

HB

5.7

3star

CL

4.2

5star

HO

24.7

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

3.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

0.4

3star

HO

5.0

5star

- probably retire
30 Oliver Lord - ?? has he shown anything
34 Dylan Williams - got delisted and picked up as a rookie as he had a contract. Assume he will go.
36 Jase Burgoyne - keep
39 Hugh Jackson - delist
41 Jed McEntee - delist
43 Trent Dumont

43

Trent Dumont

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

10.5

4star

HB

9.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

2.6

4star

D

20.1

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

9.7

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

2.4

4star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.6

1star

T

4.4

5star

CL

2.6

5star

(rookie)- see how his year goes with injuries.
45 Nathan Barkla - delist.

 

[Bevoman]

Our out of contract list is dire.

We are going to have to keep some lucky players...and we have stuff all draft picks!

2023
1 Tom Jonas - retire
10 Travis Boak - might retire
12 Trent McKenzie - likely retire
13 Orazio Fantasia - possible de-list. Probably get a year on low $.
14 Miles Bergman - hopefully keep but might leave.
19 Mitch Georgiades - hopefully keep but might leave.
22 Charlie Dixon - keep short contract.
24 Kane Farrell- likely to keep but meh.
25 Sam Hayes - likely to leave for nothing.
26 Riley Bonner - likely to leave free agent.
27 Brynn Teakle - probably keep but i don't see much there.
29 Scott Lycett - probably retire
30 Oliver Lord - ?? has he shown anything
34 Dylan Williams - got delisted and picked up as a rookie as he had a contract. Assume he will go.
36 Jase Burgoyne - keep
39 Hugh Jackson - delist
41 Jed McEntee - delist
43 Trent Dumont (rookie)- see how his year goes with injuries.
45 Nathan Barkla - delist.

Not all can go at once as we do not have the picks to replenish the numbers, but yeah; some of the Gold passes should expire.
Maybe we have to give up something good to get back something good.

Bit harsh on Barkla, only just arrived as a Category B rookie; he is not taking up any spots.