List Mgmt. List Management 2023-24

[Schulzenfest]

I wouldn't want BZT for free. Hopefully he's Crows bound.

 

[Willsy10]

Most st kilda fans seem pretty happy about Howard being on the trade table. He isn’t very good.

Letting him go meant we could get games into McKenzie in 2020, who was playing SANFL in 2019. Mckenzie is an upgrade, and then we were able to pick up Allir for a second rounder the following year, who is a significant upgrade.




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[Imhotep]

If we want to create a true dynasty team trading Wines should be our first priority. If the crows paid two firsts for a 28 year old Bryce Gibbs we could get something similar for a 28 year old Brownlow medalist.

 

[davesnothere]

Haven’t paid too much attention to Zerk Thatcher. ( Zerk should actually be his first name ) but stats from last night in a truly ordinary side.

15 disposals at 93% efficiency
Not sure how many of them just chips looking for a way out or kick ins all of them seem to be within 30 metres of goal?

Did stay out there for 100% of the game so maybe has a reasonable tank?

1 tackle 3 score involvements

7 contested possessions
7 uncontested

8 intercept possessions


He reads as a half decent pickup. Not sure what the deal looks like that gets him here though?

 

[Powertron]

It’s our bi-annual fruk around with Essendon in trade week - yay!

What outrageous demand will the Dodo come up with this time….

 

[Matto01]

If we want to create a true dynasty team trading Wines should be our first priority. If the crows paid two firsts for a 28 year old Bryce Gibbs we could get something similar for a 28 year old Brownlow medalist.

I'm not against this. Some times you need to be ruthless. Mind you none of rat, Grundy or bzt are worth a first rounder.
But with one you could manage to get all 3 done without ripping your team apart.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Haven’t paid too much attention to Zerk Thatcher. ( Zerk should actually be his first name ) but stats from last night in a truly ordinary side.

15 disposals at 93% efficiency
Not sure how many of them just chips looking for a way out or kick ins all of them seem to be within 30 metres of goal?

Did stay out there for 100% of the game so maybe has a reasonable tank?

1 tackle 3 score involvements

7 contested possessions
7 uncontested

8 intercept possessions


He reads as a half decent pickup. Not sure what the deal looks like that gets him here though?

For all the talk he is not a KPD, he is 195cm too. He may not play tall now but neither did McKenzie when we got him.

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[Long live PAFC]

If we want to create a true dynasty team trading Wines should be our first priority. If the crows paid two firsts for a 28 year old Bryce Gibbs we could get something similar for a 28 year old Brownlow medalist.

Ok so two firsts. Let’s say two picks in the teens for Wines. We would have to convince him to go, find someone to take him. They would have to work that trade.

We would lose:

• our vice or captain
• a reliable and tough player, who is the grunt to the class of JHF, Rozee and Butters
• a great deal of experience, knowledge and ability + footy intel
• alter club dynamics
• would need to replace him - with?
• what if he rehabs his knee and comes good and gets to a consistent level again

We would get:

• two picks in a draft where 6-7 of the best players are tied to clubs
• draft picks aren’t certain, look at Josh Sinn or Dylan Williams
• maybe we lose an expensive player who is on the downhill slope due to a dodgey knee

When the dogs came for Lobbe or the Dons for Hartlett - those are deals we should have done. Wines isn’t in that category.

 

[Sewer de Lance]

Hartlett was asked about Pasini yesterday, sounds like he’s got a fair way to go before being considered for AFL selection.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Bombers; They’re right in the mix for key defender Ben McKay

32

Ben Mckay

Age

26

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

, while they’ve also been linked to St Kilda free agent Jade Gresham

11

Jade Gresham

Age

27

Ht

177cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

7.2

4star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.0

3star

G

0.5

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.4

5star

G

0.4

3star

and Port Adelaide forward Orazio Fantasia

14

Orazio Fantasia

Age

29

Ht

180cm

Wt

73kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.1

5star

G

1.4

5star

D

9.8

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.2

2star

G

0.2

3star

D

12.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

7.4

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

0.0

1star

.

 

[Brian McGee]

Not sure about zerk thatcher. He is a solid enough tall defender, and that is clearly our biggest list deficiency. Just feels like we should be aiming higher. I don’t think we would want to pay much for him, but he plays at Essendon so we know how that will go.

 

[philthy05]

Like all draft discussions it is absolute hypotheticals. It’s a silly exercise

You draft a player because you think he will be a jet.

If we knew Picket would be 2023 picket we draft him.

I think we did ok as you said. Didn’t knock it out of the park but not exactly groom for McLeod either

Draft revisionism is funny

If I knew Bitcoin was going to be so good I’d have bought 100

Said literally everyone

I’m not talking about revising a draft, I’m talking about how we had the upper hand in a trade for once and instead folded to the club that was all in for a contracted player and we downgraded our first round pick for the honour of trading said contracted player to them.

As I said, we should have asked for pick 12 straight up and could have had 2 of pickett day Bergman.

Whether we would have rated pickett high enough to take him is irrelevant.

 

[Imhotep]

Ok so two firsts. Let’s say two picks in the teens for Wines. We would have to convince him to go, find someone to take him. They would have to work that trade.

We would lose:

• our vice or captain
• a reliable and tough player, who is the grunt to the class of JHF, Rozee and Butters
• a great deal of experience, knowledge and ability + footy intel
• alter club dynamics
• would need to replace him - with?
• what if he rehabs his knee and comes good and gets to a consistent level again

We would get:

• two picks in a draft where 6-7 of the best players are tied to clubs
• draft picks aren’t certain, look at Josh Sinn or Dylan Williams
• maybe we lose an expensive player who is on the downhill slope due to a dodgey knee

When the dogs came for Lobbe or the Dons for Hartlett - those are deals we should have done. Wines isn’t in that category.

First I'd hope for a top ten pick and a pick in the teens or future first. He's from Melbourne and I can think of three clubs desperate for a player like Wines.

I'd like to see a complete overhaul of our leadership group Houston captain, butters vice SPP and Rozee.

He's currently out highest paid player and he's going to be fourth or fifth picked in his position. I'd prefer to keep adding class instead of grunt the game is getting faster and Wines isn't particularly fast of body or mind.

Players leave clubs every year they keep on keeping on, plus we have a culture that's well ingrained in the playing group and won't alter with the loss of a couple of players.

There's a ton of players to replace wines and Boak. Jackson, Bergman, Narkle, Burgoyne, Sinn, SPP and Houston and that's without considering that it gives us an opportunity to draft and trade a new midfielder.

If you can replace ageing players with two high picks you do that every time, even if one busts you're still getting a potential 15 years out of them instead of letting there worth become nothing. This is how clubs become like North Melbourne and West Coast.

 

[240volt]

Dealing with Essendon never ends good for us.
I’m getting Homer flashbacks of hitting his head on the door continuously.

 

[It Just Is]

Ash Johnson is a mercurial talent I’d like to acquire from Collingwood. Not sure he can quite displace the talent of McEntee though

Georgiades is a better version of Ash Johnson

 

[It Just Is]

Howard got offered a huge deal that we wouldnt match. He told the club if we wouldnt match he’d request a trade. We wouldnt. He did.

I think hes shown at St Kilda he wasnt worth what they are paying him.

Not to mention, i’d say getting Bergman and Williams for him and Ryder has worked out pretty good

We also gave up pick 12 (Kozzie Pickett)

 

[davesnothere]

Dealing with Essendon never ends good for us.
I’m getting Homer flashbacks of hitting his head on the door continuously.

The deals always get done. Think we imagine it to be harder than it actually is.

 

[240volt]

The deals always get done. Think we imagine it to be harder than it actually is.

And us paying overs , just watch want they want for this guy.
We will have to trade up just to get a bog average defender.
The Crows can have him.

 

[Yoda_]

Zerk is a bit better than his stats read. Won't ever be an A - grade talent but the talk on our board reads well that he is like Ted Richards

Ted Richards

Age

41

Ht

193cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.6

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.7

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

153.4

2star

No current season stats available

D

5.8

2star

K

3.2

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

0.8

3star

from yesteryear. A perennial b grade player who left us to get better. He ended up at Sydney in a great system and won a premiership IIRC.

Zerk is a decent interceptor and reads almost identically statistically as Ben McKay

32

Ben Mckay

Age

26

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

(holy meatballs, just looked it up. And we want BM ****!)

As a 25 y.o established key position player, I don't think a pick between 25 - 40 is out of the question. That would be left up to the Port team

If not, I wouldn't be opposed to asking the question of Mitch Georgiades

19

Mitch Georgiades

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

2.0

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

G

2.0

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

2.0

5star

, Sam Hayes + change, Ollie Wines + change or even BZT + something for Dursma who seems a perennially injured and unfulfilled talent.

Good luck for the finals guys

 

[SureBuddy]

Zerk is a bit better than his stats read. Won't ever be an A - grade talent but the talk on our board reads well that he is like Ted Richards from yesteryear. A perennial b grade player who left us to get better. He ended up at Sydney in a great system and won a premiership IIRC.

Zerk is a decent interceptor and reads almost identically statistically as Ben McKay (holy meatballs, just looked it up. And we want BM ****!)

As a 25 y.o established key position player, I don't think a pick between 25 - 40 is out of the question. That would be left up to the Port team

If not, I wouldn't be opposed to asking the question of Mitch Georgiades, Sam Hayes + change, Ollie Wines + change or even BZT + something for Dursma who seems a perennially injured and unfulfilled talent.

Good luck for the finals guys

Ollie Wines + change…… LOL

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Zerk is a bit better than his stats read. Won't ever be an A - grade talent but the talk on our board reads well that he is like Ted Richards from yesteryear. A perennial b grade player who left us to get better. He ended up at Sydney in a great system and won a premiership IIRC.

Zerk is a decent interceptor and reads almost identically statistically as Ben McKay (holy meatballs, just looked it up. And we want BM ****!)

As a 25 y.o established key position player, I don't think a pick between 25 - 40 is out of the question. That would be left up to the Port team

If not, I wouldn't be opposed to asking the question of Mitch Georgiades, Sam Hayes + change, Ollie Wines + change or even BZT + something for Dursma who seems a perennially injured and unfulfilled talent.

Good luck for the finals guys

Did you seriously suggest that we would have to trade more than our 29 year old Brownlow medalist for BZF

To get Ollie (our probable captain in 2024) it would cost you guys more than you could afford

 

[Yoda_]

Did you seriously suggest that we would have to trade more than our 29 year old Brownlow medalist for BZF

To get Ollie (our probable captain in 2024) it would cost you guys more than you could afford

is he still captain? genuinely didn't realise that. To be fair, I meant BZT + change for Ollie

 

[bomberclifford]

How about you take Orazio back and we’ll call it even.

 

[davesnothere]

Did you seriously suggest that we would have to trade more than our 29 year old Brownlow medalist for BZF

To get Ollie (our probable captain in 2024) it would cost you guys more than you could afford

Well maybe not more than they could afford

Build something around year's 1st round pick and I'd listen.

 

[240volt]

It’s started already earlier than usual.