List Mgmt. List Management 2024-25

[Addy23]

Does this mean Lord is working on his craft as a second ruck over the preseason? We can't be having Wines as regular ruck support next season.

Lord needs to work on his forward craft first, let alone ruck craft. Firstly that goal kicking routine needs to be fixed. Whatever is going on there doesn't look right

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Does this mean Lord is working on his craft as a second ruck over the preseason? We can't be having Wines as regular ruck support next season.

This is what I am hoping. We really need one of Lord/Visintini/Soldo to step up as that Forward/Ruck.

I think Soldo/Sweet makes us too slow though if we are playing the 3 other talls.

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[BennyGan]

Very jealous you guys got Moraes. Had Berry 15, Moraes 17 and Whitlock 25 in my rankings. One of my favourite drafts from this year. Congrats guys. Looking forward to seeing how they all go in the future.

 

[SureBuddy]

Lukosius might come good. I didn’t rate AhChee after his stint at Gold Coast but he has looked a different player at Brisbane.

Lord, Lukosius and Marshall have each got the next 2-3 years to really consolidate their places in our forward line alongside Georgiades before Whitlock should feasibly challenge for regular AFL footy. Hopefully a couple of them are up to it.

What do you mean Lukosius might come good? He is good lol. We have just recruited him as our #1 forward. Don't put him in the same sentence as Lord, Marshall etc. saying he needs to consolidate his spot. I can guarantee you he will be the first forward on the whiteboard come round 1.

 

[TeeKray]

What do you mean Lukosius might come good? He is good lol. We have just recruited him as our #1 forward. Don't put him in the same sentence as Lord, Marshall etc. saying he needs to consolidate his spot. I can guarantee you he will be the first forward on the whiteboard come round 1.

How many times did the SUNS drop him this year? Was it 4?

 

[simba_]

Aliir, BZT and Bergman is great but the problem as always will be running them into the ground!!

 

[Addy23]

Aliir, BZT and Bergman is great but the problem as always will be running them into the ground!!

Especially now without the back up of Clurey

 

[Mutha F]

A move down back might be the only thing that saves Marshall's career. He won't have as many coming over the back and clunking him in the head. With Kenny ball, he'll get concussed every day he plays forward

 

[Chopperdave]

How many times did the SUNS drop him this year? Was it 4?

He was dropped once after the trade rumours came out.

Hardwick also chucked him all over the park rather than play him up forward after he had his best season in 2023.

Play him up forward and if he is fit all season he will kick 40+

 

[Chrizzt]

How many times did the SUNS drop him this year? Was it 4?

Once - round 22. Went to the VFL and had 25 touches, 14 marks and kicked 5.1, then came back in the side.

 

[SureBuddy]

How many times did the SUNS drop him this year? Was it 4?

It was once. Late in the year when the trade rumors were out. Whether you like it or not, the club see's him as the #1. He had a great 2023 and come 2024 Hardwick started throwing him all around the ground because they have King and brought in their gun academy monster in Jed Walters.

He is very very good and just coming into his prime. He is only 24 don't forget.

 

[PJ Power]

What do you mean Lukosius might come good? He is good lol. We have just recruited him as our #1 forward. Don't put him in the same sentence as Lord, Marshall etc. saying he needs to consolidate his spot. I can guarantee you he will be the first forward on the whiteboard come round 1.

I mean, actually fulfil the potential of a player who was taken as a pick 2 six years ago, and was touted as the most exciting prospect to come out of SA at the time. Be a player who influences results against good sides in big finals and doesn't leave supporters questioning his effort or intensity. I want it to be a very close call between him and Georgiades as to who our best forward is because they are both so darn good.


And another thing, I'm sick of reading rebuttals from certain posters on this board who say "it's not realistic for him to kick 50 goals in a season because only 8 key forwards did it in 2024". For once, it would be nice if the Port Adelaide football club has one of those prolific key forwards in our side. Why can't we have a player who kicks more than 50 goals in a year? We had the best CHF in the comp for 5 years running in our best years. We've lowered our expectations so much that people are happy to have a group of middling tall forwards who kick 1.5 goals per game at best.

 

[Addy23]

I mean, actually fulfil the potential of a player who was taken as a pick 2 six years ago, and was touted as the most exciting prospect to come out of SA at the time. Be a player who influences results against good sides in big finals and doesn't leave supporters questioning his effort or intensity. I want it to be a very close call between him and Georgiades as to who our best forward is because they are both so darn good.


And another thing, I'm sick of reading rebuttals from certain posters on this board who say "it's not realistic for him to kick 50 goals in a season because only 8 key forwards did it in 2024". For once, it would be nice if the Port Adelaide football club has one of those prolific key forwards in our side. Why can't we have a player who kicks more than 50 goals in a year? We had the best CHF in the comp for 5 years running in our best years. We've lowered our expectations so much that people are happy to have a group of middling tall forwards who kick 1.5 goals per game at best.

The issue isn't with the player per se but rather with our inefficiency of entries. It's simply unrealistic to expect any Key Forward in our side currently to kick 50+ when we bomb to their disadvantage. There's simply no method to our madness

 

[TeeKray]

It was once. Late in the year when the trade rumors were out. Whether you like it or not, the club see's him as the #1. He had a great 2023 and come 2024 Hardwick started throwing him all around the ground because they have King and brought in their gun academy monster in Jed Walters.

He is very very good and just coming into his prime. He is only 24 don't forget.

This is just fan fiction. He's another Marshall, which checks out given the number of excuses already being made for him. Georgiades is and will remain our #1 forward for the foreseeable future.

 

[shewho]

Our key forwards are as much of a worry as our key backs. We have quantity not quality. Two athletic development talls that may or may not make it and two marshmallows who will be good for a few goals against North but won't do anything when we need them to. Everything rests on Georgiades really, the next guy I trust is Finlayson and that says a lot.

You’re kidding, aren’t you?

Lukosius was seen in his draft year as a “generational talent”. He is not the first or last potential superstar not to realise his potential at GC. Now, while his ceiling may be seen as lower now than then, he is a player most clubs would build a forward line around. Lukosius has kicked 39 goals in an AFL season as a “lead up the ground” CHF.

The Western Australian clubs would kill for a shot at Georgiades. He has shown every sign of being a 50 goal a year goal kicker. He has already kicked 44 goals in a season.

For two years in a row, clubs have been falling over themselves at the merest suggestion that Ollie Lord may be available. He has kicked 4 goals in a final. If you can kick 4 in a losing final, you can probably kick 40 in a season.

Marshall has kicked 45 goals in a season. Who really knows what his concussion status is- the only certainty there is people on this site have NFI. He would thrive as the third tall.

Finlayson has kicked 44 goals in an AFL season. He is a very good tall forward.

For quality and depth, this group of 5 is probably in the top four list of tall forwards in the AFL. The average age of the 5 mentioned above is 24 y/o. And we just added Whitlock who many had mid first round in a strong draft.

The comment that our tall forwards are just as much a worry as our tall backs (Aliir at 30, BZT, Rat, Walsh- more of a forward really- and a basket baller who has played 1.25 games of SANFL) is plain delusional.

 

[shewho]

This is a key point. If Finlayson is rightfully not going to be played much next year (and even if he is), we need a viable second ruck option who can play forward the rest of the time. Georgiades, Marshall and Lukosius can’t. Surely Ratugolea won’t be tried forward again. It has to be Lord or Visentini IMO.

We will persist with Rat but I see him playing everywhere. He will likely play second ruck.

He will play down back on monsters, give Aliir and BZT a hand, play second ruck and be used (hopefully sparingly) as a “kick it to Charlie” option. That option is like OxyContin. Used every now and then in short bursts, it is valuable. Used all the time and it is poison.

 

[Lefti93]

How many times did the SUNS drop him this year? Was it 4?

Got a feeling Dimma was making a bit of an example of him to the rest of the group after their pissant losses. Probs could've thrown a blanket over a bunch of them and dropped them after some of those losses. It seemed as he was the highest paid, and the chance of him leaving it was easier to drop him.

 

[Izzy01]

I think a tall forward line of Mitch, Lukosius and maybe Lord if he can improve his second ruck duties is a very good balance.
Maybe try Marshall in defense in the pre season. Finlayson break glass emergency, Rat stays in the 2s unless a gorilla matchup in defense for him.

 

[jackag24]

Gotta give it to the list management. They knew the forward line wasn't quite up to scratch and have done a decent job at rejuvenating it.

Adding Lukosius, Whitlock, Berry and Richards is a big tick.

Helps beef up both the AFL and SANFL team

 

[Relativity]

How many times did the SUNS drop him this year? Was it 4?

3 times. No wait. That was us dropping McEntee.

 

[Addy23]

3 times. No wait. That was us dropping McEntee.

And then to offset that we promoted him. Amazing work!

 

[longdonkey]

Got a feeling Dimma was making a bit of an example of him to the rest of the group after their pissant losses. Probs could've thrown a blanket over a bunch of them and dropped them after some of those losses. It seemed as he was the highest paid, and the chance of him leaving it was easier to drop him.

Also I don't think that Luko would have suited a Hardwick games style anyway so add that to a huge wage. Then paying a huge contract for Mac Andrew and then again for Rioli he was surplus to requirements and we should have capitalised on that like Geelong did. I can't say we got pantsed, but I still don't know what Atkins contract length is and I don't want to know. Its going to take a lot of convincing to ever make me see that was a good thing.

 

[shewho]

Also I don't think that Luko would have suited a Hardwick games style anyway so add that to a huge wage. Then paying a huge contract for Mac Andrew and then again for Rioli he was surplus to requirements and we should have capitalised on that like Geelong did. I can't say we got pantsed, but I still don't know what Atkins contract length is and I don't want to know. It’s going to take a lot of convincing to ever make me see that was a good thing.

Exactly. Clubs get forced to make contracts by player managers they soon regret. Prime example Collingwood. When GC signed up Lukosius, they desperately wanted to keep him. Hardwick comes in with different priorities that he can only achieve by a salary cap reset. We are the beneficiaries.

Likewise McRae comes into Collingwood and asks why are we paying Grundy $1,000,000 a year when his understudy is 90% as good and on $450,000.

GC had King, Walter, Read and Hardwick doesn’t want to spend 30% of his salary cap on tall forwards when GC play in humid slippery conditions and he won flags with one (Riewoldt) then two (Riewoldt and Lynch) tall forwards. Lukosius was sacrificed because he was the most likely to bail next contact anyway.

Lukosius was dropped in R22 (or whatever it was) not because he wasn’t best 22, but because Damien wanted to let him know, he wasn’t valued as much as by Dew. It was like putting a for sale sign on Luko’s back.

We got lucky. We had been into him for years. We thought we were a chance last contract. We had just given up all hope then, paragraph 3 above.

People who baulked at forking out a F1 (probably pick 18 after academy & fs picks in poor draft) for Lukosius will look pretty silly in 3 years time.

 

[Long live PAFC]

We have another pick left over right?

Anyone training with us?

 

[Addy23]

We have another pick left over right?

Anyone training with us?

Atm only Jack Watkins. I would like us to try Denver Grainger-Barrass and see if we can turn his career around