Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2023, part I

[And_ROOS]

Weird recent bias with Mitchell, Hawks have been ****ing dire at times this season, so just because they beat the Pies and Lions at the MCG but probably forgot the 59 point loss to the Bombers, 81 point loss to the Swans, 82 point loss to us, 69 point loss to the Dockers, the 67 point loss to the Suns, the 60 point loss to the Blues...

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Weird recent bias with Mitchell, Hawks have been ******* dire at times this season, so just because they beat the Pies and Lions at the MCG but probably forgot the 59 point loss to the Bombers, 81 point loss to the Swans, 82 point loss to us, 69 point loss to the Dockers, the 67 point loss to the Suns, the 60 point loss to the Blues...

New coach gets a fresh start on credibility

 

[And_ROOS]

If I had to pick a top 5 coaches, it would be McCrae, Goodwin, Hinkley, Voss and Kingsley but honestly the margins are tight, if Blues and Giants shit the bed in the run in to finals and lose their spots to Geelong and Sydney, and then should Geelong and Sydney win a final or 2, I would be dropping Voss and Kingsley from the list for Scott and Longmire.

Doing these sort of lists this far out from the end of the season and finals is a bit silly. If the Pies wobble now, lose 2/3, and then go out of finals in straight sets no way was McCrae the best coach this year.

 

[And_ROOS]

New coach gets a fresh start on credibility

At least Kingsley has the Giants playing good football, getting results and has them just about in a finals spot.

Mitchell has accomplished nothing.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

At least Kingsley has the Giants playing good football, getting results and has them just about in a finals spot.

Mitchell has accomplished nothing.

Kingsley had a lot to work. Hawks were a shambles.

A shame they couldn't string one more year out of clarko to really grind them to dust

 

[Turbocat]

My first reaction is to say... what is it based on? How could you really know. It like trying to judge the best jockey if he is ona slow horse he looks ordinary.


Id say Lyon has done with StK . 10th last year 7th this year with much the same list ... but this is best judged at seasons end.

 

[catempire]

It like trying to judge the best jockey if he is ona slow horse he looks ordinary.

Very good

 

[cats_09]

Is this just one of those bored school kid fantasy trade suggestions that gets made when they don’t want to do their homework?

 

[And_ROOS]

Kingsley had a lot to work. Hawks were a shambles.

A shame they couldn't string one more year out of clarko to really grind them to dust

Hawks have a ton of young talent and brought in more, its not like Mitchell took over North.

 

[TheCatStevensExperience]

Is this just one of those bored school kid fantasy trade suggestions that gets made when they don’t want to do their homework?

Probably something to it. Ginnivan has struggled to get back into the side now he's been found wanting in the free kick department and Bobby Hill's performed.

Weightman / Ginnivan would be an interesting setup up forward

 

[cats_09]

Apparently Eddie isn't happy

 

[goyoucatters]

Apparently Eddie isn't happy

Of course he isn't. How dare the fans of opposition teams think they're entitled to plenty of seats at their own home games against the Pies!

Seriously, the nerve of some people...

 

[Cataholic]

Of course he isn't. How dare the fans of opposition teams think they're entitled to plenty of seats at their own home games against the Pies!

Seriously, the nerve of some people...

The bloke seems to think he and Collingwood own the AFL, and the footy public should be subservient to them.

 

[goyoucatters]

The bloke seems to think he and Collingwood own the AFL, and the footy public should be subservient to them.

To be fair, he can hardly be blamed for believing that. The evidence of all my years following footy almost entirely supports this view.

 

[Partridge]

To be fair, he can hardly be blamed for believing that. The evidence of all my years following footy almost entirely supports this view.

People like him are the worst thing to ever happen to footy. Non-players, not even ex-players, who think they are more important than the game.

The turning point for me (it was heading that way anyway), not just for McGuire but with all of them, was the near hysteria about losing money when Covid hit. They don't give a shit about footy, or the game, or even their club. They care about their own revenue sources and nothing more.

I'm including players in this as well.

 

[Cataholic]

To be fair, he can hardly be blamed for believing that. The evidence of all my years following footy almost entirely supports this view.

AFL House should never have allowed a club president to assume the power and the voice he has, or to portray himself and the club as bigger than the game itself.

But they did.

 

[BotsMaster]

Trent Cotchin

9

Trent Cotchin

Age

34

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.4

5star

K

13.8

5star

HB

9.5

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

5.2

5star

D

19.0

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

9.5

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.3

5star

CL

3.5

4star

D

16.6

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.0

3star

is retiring.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Can anyone access this article -

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2023-which-teams-fit-the-champion-data-premiership-profile/news-story/62233ddb0866a25a0f989ee4bad2abbb?amp

 

[cats_09]

AFL 2023: Which teams fit the Champion Data premiership profile​

According to key Champion Data stats, only four teams fit the ultimate premiership profile – and Collingwood isn’t one of them. So, who is? See the revealing numbers.

Beware the unbridled Blues.

Yes, it’s real.

Key statistics from the past six weeks indicate that Carlton– unlike ladder-leader and premiership favourite Collingwood, which has fallen away – is displaying the ultimate premiership profile as the finals series looms large.

Champion Data’s Core Four formula, which evaluates a team’s performance both with and without the ball, has analysed every team’s status throughout the season, with a focus on form over the past six weeks.

Over recent years, the eventual premier has ranked in the top six teams in the competition in three of four key elements in securing the flag – work with the ball, without the ball, at clearance and post-clearance.

Champion Data considers work without the ball the top priority.

And for Carlton, which sits inside the game’s top four in all core flag criteria, the past six weeks are a clear indication that things are tracking positively for Michael Voss’s Blues in a marked difference to when alarm bells were ringing at Ikon Park earlier this year.

The chain to score percentage has been boosted by an in-form Charlie Curnow

30

Charlie Curnow

Age

27

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

9.7

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.8

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

and the likes of Jack Martin

19

Jack Martin

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

skirting in front of goal, while skipper Patrick Cripps

9

Patrick Cripps

Age

29

Ht

195cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

16.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.8

5star

CL

7.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.9

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

6.3

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

’ return to clearance beast has reached a crescendo over the past month with his clearance numbers at a season-high.

After a mid-season dip in clearance numbers, Cripps’ stoppage work has delivered just under 10 clearances per game in the past four weeks.

The only other teams to currently fulfil the ideal premiership ratio of being situated inside the game’s top six teams in three of the four categories are Brisbane, Geelong and St Kilda.

In the first six rounds, the Blues were among the worst teams in the competition for points from clearance differential, sitting 15th.

They’re now first.

Across all four categories, the Blues sit atop the game in a stark warning to rivals.

“If they were fourth (on the ladder), we’d be stamping them,” Fox Footy analyst David King said on Wednesday on Pure Footy.

“They’re going to challenge and go against history.”

King’s Pure Footy counterpart, Champion Data analyst Daniel Hoyne, highlighted the similarities between Geelong’s pre-finals – and eventually pre-premiership – profile of last season, and that of Carlton’s over the last six weeks.

“(In) five of the last seven finals series a team from outside the top four has made it to at least a prelim … they’re going to comfortably make a prelim, and I think they cans go through to a grand final, absolutely,” Hoyne said. “It’s stunning what they’ve been able to do.”

On current standings a top-four finish may be more than two games out of reach, but timing can be everything. King said that while the season may end “just one or two weeks short” for the Blues to push for a double-chance, it might not matter.

“You’re going to have to win it from outside the four, but this profile says they can beat anyone,” he said.

But for the Magpies, the core four could spell disaster.

As coach Craig McRae

Craig Mcrae

Age

51

Ht

176cm

Wt

73kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.9

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.2

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.4

5star

grapples with how to navigate the absence of star Nick Daicos for at least the next six weeks due to a knee injury, the Magpies have fallen away from first in the competition under the core four formula to be 10th for post-clearance work and ninth for what they deliver without the ball and at clearances.

“We’ve got to get to work on what we are, and not recapture it, but just remind ourselves – re-establish our brand,” McRae said on Wednesday morning.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

AFL 2023: Which teams fit the Champion Data premiership profile​

According to key Champion Data stats, only four teams fit the ultimate premiership profile – and Collingwood isn’t one of them. So, who is? See the revealing numbers.

Beware the unbridled Blues.

Yes, it’s real.

Key statistics from the past six weeks indicate that Carlton– unlike ladder-leader and premiership favourite Collingwood, which has fallen away – is displaying the ultimate premiership profile as the finals series looms large.

Champion Data’s Core Four formula, which evaluates a team’s performance both with and without the ball, has analysed every team’s status throughout the season, with a focus on form over the past six weeks.

Over recent years, the eventual premier has ranked in the top six teams in the competition in three of four key elements in securing the flag – work with the ball, without the ball, at clearance and post-clearance.

Champion Data considers work without the ball the top priority.

And for Carlton, which sits inside the game’s top four in all core flag criteria, the past six weeks are a clear indication that things are tracking positively for Michael Voss’s Blues in a marked difference to when alarm bells were ringing at Ikon Park earlier this year.

The chain to score percentage has been boosted by an in-form Charlie Curnow and the likes of Jack Martin skirting in front of goal, while skipper Patrick Cripps’ return to clearance beast has reached a crescendo over the past month with his clearance numbers at a season-high.

After a mid-season dip in clearance numbers, Cripps’ stoppage work has delivered just under 10 clearances per game in the past four weeks.

The only other teams to currently fulfil the ideal premiership ratio of being situated inside the game’s top six teams in three of the four categories are Brisbane, Geelong and St Kilda.

In the first six rounds, the Blues were among the worst teams in the competition for points from clearance differential, sitting 15th.

They’re now first.

Across all four categories, the Blues sit atop the game in a stark warning to rivals.

“If they were fourth (on the ladder), we’d be stamping them,” Fox Footy analyst David King said on Wednesday on Pure Footy.

“They’re going to challenge and go against history.”

King’s Pure Footy counterpart, Champion Data analyst Daniel Hoyne, highlighted the similarities between Geelong’s pre-finals – and eventually pre-premiership – profile of last season, and that of Carlton’s over the last six weeks.

“(In) five of the last seven finals series a team from outside the top four has made it to at least a prelim … they’re going to comfortably make a prelim, and I think they cans go through to a grand final, absolutely,” Hoyne said. “It’s stunning what they’ve been able to do.”

On current standings a top-four finish may be more than two games out of reach, but timing can be everything. King said that while the season may end “just one or two weeks short” for the Blues to push for a double-chance, it might not matter.

“You’re going to have to win it from outside the four, but this profile says they can beat anyone,” he said.

But for the Magpies, the core four could spell disaster.

As coach Craig McRae grapples with how to navigate the absence of star Nick Daicos for at least the next six weeks due to a knee injury, the Magpies have fallen away from first in the competition under the core four formula to be 10th for post-clearance work and ninth for what they deliver without the ball and at clearances.

“We’ve got to get to work on what we are, and not recapture it, but just remind ourselves – re-establish our brand,” McRae said on Wednesday morning.

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Can’t believe we are in the group of the 4. Also can’t believe the Saints are in it.

 

[Gunf]

Can’t believe we are in the group of the 4. Also can’t believe the Saints are in it.

Saints are actually a solid team they just have Ross as coach so they aren't allowed to score

 

[cats_09]

 

[CharacterFirst]

People like him are the worst thing to ever happen to footy. Non-players, not even ex-players, who think they are more important than the game.

The turning point for me (it was heading that way anyway), not just for McGuire but with all of them, was the near hysteria about losing money when Covid hit. They don't give a s**t about footy, or the game, or even their club. They care about their own revenue sources and nothing more.

I'm including players in this as well.

1 Tim 6:10.

 

[Lana]

**** that is hilarious, always thought that account was run by a teenager taking the piss

 

[cats_09]

* that is hilarious, always thought that account was run by a teenager taking the piss

I'm blocked by Tom Browne - seems he didn't like the suggestion of sticking to talking BS about football, instead of trying to get involved in tennis commentary also

So it's good to know I can still laugh at his BS by following his burner account. These are two of his recent efforts which have been endlessly mocked