List Mgmt. Official 2016 trade period discussion

[ShaunWDT]

I dont even understand how Caddy gets more opportunity at Richmond to be honest, starting midfield is still Martin,Cotchin,Prestia,Ellis,Miles,Grigg

Will play on a flank just as much at Richmond as he did at Geelong.

 

[juzcat]

I think you're right that the GFC in certain cases potentially crosses the line from 'club-first' to 'player-first'. I don't think it's a universal truth about our dealings with players but I accept that we do demonstrably more to accommodate players than any other club in the comp. As I said earlier, I'm OK with that.

But I do wonder how OK with it I would be if I hadn't ended up living through '07, '09 and '11 after 35 years of Cats-supporting torment.



You are, of course, completely correct about this. They're very unlikely to ever behave as we do in this respect.

But my contention would be that the GFC doesn't need to behave like this to convince every other club to change their behaviour.

I'm actually satisfied that we behave in this manner simply so that the corrosive and rapacious mindset of the other clubs at trade time doesn't change us.

Once again, I acknowledge I'm in the clear minority around here concerning these matters. But I believe behaving with honesty, integrity and a sense of decency towards other people at all times is a tenet worth adhering to, whatever your particular context or environment.

It's much more difficult in a footy club than many other settings, I agree.

But I do believe our recent premiership successes demonstrate that the awkward balance required to embrace both virtue and victory is clearly still possible for us.

Your post makes me feel a bit better. probably one won't feel real shitty about 2e first rounder till 2018/19 when that draft pick does something or nothing at Carlton. So we win a flag in between the loss will feel like it was worth it

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[Moggy]

My understanding of the situation was this:

• Deledio wanted Geelong
• Geelong said "ooh, um, not sure how we can do that. We'll look into it"
• Geelong went to Richmond and said "what about Deledio"
• Richmond said "we don't want to lose him, but it'll take a first rounder to get him"
• Geelong said "no"
• Geelong said "how about Mots (we'd need something back)"
• Richmond said "no"
• Geelong said "how about a second rounder"
• Richmond said "no"
• richmond said "how about Caddy"
• Geelong said "no"
  
• Geelong then went to Caddy and said "we want to keep you, but Richmond want you, but just to be clear, we want to keep you and we're only telling you this because we don't want to talk about you behind your back"
• Caddy said "meh, I'm easy"
• Geelong went back to Richmond and said "so, yeah, that second rounder"
• Richmond said "get stuffed, don't call again"
• Richmond called Caddy and said "more money and more midfield time?"
• Caddy said "...keep talking"
• Caddy went to Geelong and said "Richmond?"
• Geelong said "shit"
• Geelong said "ok then"

one could certainly interpret that as "we got played"

 

[darrenmorgan]

Wells has said they did not go to Caddy but that Caddy and his management went to Richmond.
There were a couple of interviews yesterday that changed my view of the circumstances and situation. Unlike what was reported Wells said the club didn't approach Caddy and it was not related to the Deledio trade. Caddy got an offer from Tigers and wanted to move for better opportunity, more money and play with Prestia.

To be honest the whole thing doesn't paint Caddy in the greatest light. He's 24 and at his third club, he wanted to leave Gold Coast to come back home to Victoria. Then 4 years later he's presented with another offer and off he leaves again.

Still disappointing to lose him but in the light of day it's not the end of the world. Hawks got 23 for Hill and is Caddy a much better player than Hill? He could be but time will tell and most likely he won't now he's at Richmond rather than Geelong. As the development gap between the clubs is massive.

The Ox said this morning that his mail was that Caddy was considering this prior to/independent of the Deledio thing (due to Prestia) and that's why Richmond brought up his name in negotiations when Deledio named us.

 

[Kyuss]

I dont even understand how Caddy gets more opportunity at Richmond to be honest, starting midfield is still Martin,Cotchin,Prestia,Ellis,Miles,Grigg

Will play on a flank just as much at Richmond as he did at Geelong.

By saying more opportunity i think they actually mean more money

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I don't think so.

It will lead many to wonder what he might have picked with a first rounder.

Given our position with respect to the flag window, the only way I wouldn't call it a win is if a player that Caddy was keeping out (or pick 24) comes in and outperforms Caddy in 2017 and/or 2018.

I don't agree with that sort of logic, as in you just don't know at all what's going on. you would have to actually know what is on his radar and his research to answer that, and I am confident you can't answer that and either can I with confidence. the draft has also never been a straight line success formula like you are staying, the higher the better the player.

The same player he has in mind for 24 he might have taken with 15. Recruiters opinions and ideas of players vary from club to club. He could be very keen on a single player with 24 ( example darcy Lang in first round who would have gone second round). I am certain 100% who he thinks will be available in his opinion with 24 would have been the biggest factor in accepting it.

Also lets be honest... Caddy is a solid good footballer at best, he isn't going to be the be end all to a premiership assault... Caddy is and won't be the difference between a flag or not a flag.

 

[Boxhead_31]

That's easy either just take the cat out of their names. Or/and add different prefixes their names like Sir or Mr

So CatsThunder becomes Sir Thunder and CatKingdom becomes Mr kingdom

Okay, but not sure how that stops the Giants getting first round picks

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Caddy gets to play with his best mate how absolutely adorable.

Reminds me of a primary school kid requesting to change classes so he can be in his best mates class.

 

[Partridge]

While not trying to overplay his role I find it a shame that nobody ever talks about BMacs role in the Bulldogs up rise.
Taking nothing away from Beveridge I believe McCartney laid a solid foundation upon which a premiership team was built. Even if you look at the fact of who he brought into the club as assistants.

Edited for brevity, but excellent point. Perhaps being a senior coach wasn't totally suitable for McCartney, but it seems developing players absolutely is.

 

[BotsMaster]

Well(s) I have finally caught up on all the trade news and can say I am none the wiser with our decisions made this period

Think the only positive was that Sicily didn't end up at Geelong. What the **** were you guys doing even suggesting that!?

 

[wencat]

It's about time we got some people with a backbone making these decisions. This trade period has been a disgrace and could set us back years. Hot mess.

 

[ijaxcat]

Can we get a public service announcement out there to confirm to every that:

1. Caddy is contracted
2. No deal has been done
3. Stephen Wells and Dan Richardson have both confirmed Caddy is happy to stay at the Cats
4. Geelong won't trade him for a pick in the 20s on its own

Embarrassed?

 

[GHS33]

Embarrassed?

Little bit, yeah.

 

[Lana]

Okay, but not sure how that stops the Giants getting first round picks

I'm not surprised that you don't get it, you're just the kind of guy who is not able to see the big picture

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Well(s) I have finally caught up on all the trade news and can say I am none the wiser with our decisions made this period

Think the only positive was that Sicily didn't end up at Geelong. What the **** were you guys doing even suggesting that!?

There are two scenarios I can see that wells may have had the logic of this is a win situation for Geelong.

1- he and the club have their eyes on a big recruit next year such as a fye or another name which we will have to wait and see on.

2- he is our draft master; with picks 24 and the two second rounders next year, he believes that he can get very good players of around the same quality while adding tuoey as well.

A lot of this is dependant on his draft knowledge and what he believes he will snatch up.

I agree on face value it looks like a turd sandwich, you won't have any arguments with me on this. What I am saying is from his point of view he probably sees and thinks a lot of upside from it in terms of his drafting craft. Also potentially a big name player free agent???

Time will tell, but until then I'm sure I will feel a bit disgruntled like everyone else about it, but am still trying to hold an open opinion as to what his move is or the benefit he believes is laying ahead from it.

Time will 100% decide if failure or not

Edit: would actually love for a statement from him explaining his point of view on these moves. May give a new perspective

 

[year of the cat]

Little bit, yeah.

To be fair, you nailed the first point.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

As a footnote on trade period:

10. Hold up in CBA causing tension
It bubbles along without resolution but the clubs have been reluctant to commit to players before knowing for certain what the increase in the TPP might be under the new collective bargaining agreement. It has seen a record number of players out of contract at this late stage of the season.

Absolute joke that one day AFTER trade period concludes and clubs still do not know exactly what the salary cap will be next year. Amateur hour again from the AFL.

 

[MelbCat]

And still,no one held a gun to the clubs head and made us sign him over.
Contracted player at the Cats, going nowhere.

SOS though so and stuck to his guns .....
Wells? capitulated ......

 

[MelbCat]

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In the media interviews Caddy has given he certainly has not eluded to or spoken about GFC like one that was shafted, jaded or treated poorly by GFC

At least what ive seen thus far.

Go Catters

There is more to this story that isn't being said. I have no doubt once the dust settles more will be said

 

[dazbroncos]

The one thing that noone can answer is what was the plan prior to trade period.

Perhaps we HAD to remove a contracted player and the Mots thing totally derailed them forcing their hand into having to move Caddy.

Now, I have no info as to this. I am stiff miffed at the Caddy value involved.

But generally, the club has not made consistently poor list management decisions.

This IMO is one - there has to be a reason for it other than the shits and grins of it.... perhaps this is one.

GO Catters

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

LOL at Carltank showing Geelong what it means to have a backbone - we are the laughing stock of the AFL trade period.

 

[Podsnap]

Is that far from reality with draft picks though?

Sorry thegerman, I haven't forgotten I've just been busy. I'm particularly interested since the "in wells we bust" speak took off so I'll do a proper analysis on the weekend.

 

[BUSTER29]

The one thing that noone can answer is what was the plan prior to trade period.

Perhaps we HAD to remove a contracted player and the Mots thing totally derailed them forcing their hand into having to move Caddy.

Now, I have no info as to this. I am stiff miffed at the Caddy value involved.

But generally, the club has not made consistently poor list management decisions.

This IMO is one - there has to be a reason for it other than the shits and grins of it.... perhaps this is one.

GO Catters

If that is the case, then we need to ask the question why we were in the position that we NEEDED to offload a contracted best 22 player.

 

[card20]

I think Wells has his eye on a kid in the draft that will be getable at 24 only reason i can see to trade Josh .

 

[rocker_oz33]

Going after 2E and Lids was always going to be a huge ask.
Say we got lids .......some people would be thinking the club shafted jimmy to get lids.