Powa get 1st Showdown at AO

[*PAF]

with all due respect, the Power need the Showdown like Melbourne need the Queens birthday match.

Now that the off field shit got sorted out, what Port needs is for more AFC supporters to be more worried about Port not having a win financially than about the Crows doing well.

IMO what both Port and the Crows need is for the clubs to come up with win-win solutions to all issues.
On the financial side of things, will the Crows post a profit this year? If not will it be put down as another paper loss or clerical error?
Do most of your supporters know or care that the Crows have made losses in the past? Should they?

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

IMO the issue and decision of who gets the first showdown has been way over hyped

However with that the AFC still needs to use this decision in Port's favour to protest the AFL and get some other advantage from the draw

 

[Cap]

Now that the off field shit got sorted out, what Port needs is for more AFC supporters to be more worried about Port not having a win financially than about the Crows doing well.

IMO what both Port and the Crows need is for the clubs to come up with win-win solutions to all issues.
On the financial side of things, will the Crows post a profit this year? If not will it be put down as another paper loss or clerical error?
Do most of your supporters know or care that the Crows have made losses in the past? Should they?

in regards to profit making, there is no reason to post profits, i hope the crows are smart enough to post $1 profits where they can.

i have no concern about Port as a commercial entity, my concern only lies with the AFC having thoughts like yours.

There should be no win wins, the Crows should be ruthless, given it is a two town team and there is a finite amount of $ to be spent, the AFC should be trying to get as close to 100% of that as possible.

I assume Port will be paying back all that SANFL money this year and replacing the SANFL appointed people at your club...given you guys sorted it out all by yourself

 

[cmndstab]

There should be no win wins, the Crows should be ruthless, given it is a two town team and there is a finite amount of $ to be spent, the AFC should be trying to get as close to 100% of that as possible.

The problem with this attitude is if you turn down situations where you win just because somebody else wins as well, the alternative is often a situation where you lose instead. No point cutting off your nose to spite your face.


Besides, if we stick with 50-50 win/win situations with Port for the rest of our existence, we'll remain ahead of them. What we need to avoid are the situations where they make up ground on us. Losing the ANZAC night game is one such example.

 

[*PAF]

The problem with this attitude is if you turn down situations where you win just because somebody else wins as well, the alternative is often a situation where you lose instead. No point cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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But you are fighting a losing battle with a number of your own supporters.

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Besides, if we stick with 50-50 win/win situations with Port for the rest of our existence, we'll remain ahead of them. What we need to avoid are the situations where they make up ground on us. Losing the ANZAC night game is one such example.

IMO that is 100% correct for another generation or so.
After that the numbers will even up a bit.

 

[*PAF]

Did one of my posts (reply to Cap) disappear?
No major drama if it did, just curious as I'm havening network issues atm.

 

[Marty64]

Did one of my posts (reply to Cap) disappear?
No major drama if it did, just curious as I'm havening network issues atm.

I can see one reply you made to him.

 

[cmndstab]

But you are fighting a losing battle with a number of your own supporters.


IMO that is 100% correct for another generation or so.
After that the numbers will even up a bit.

The numbers will only even up if we permit situations where Port gains ground on us to occur.

 

[*PAF]

I can see one reply you made to him.

Yeah, same here but there was a second.
Ah well not worth posting again anyway as Stabs quoted the same part of the post and is a better reply.

 

[*PAF]

The numbers will only even up if we permit situations where Port gains ground on us to occur.

At the moment there is the SANFL factor but in a generation or so that will go close to disappearing.
Once that happens youngsters will start following teams according to who was successful whilst they were growing up and as success for both teams will have ebbs and flows the numbers in a two team town will even up over time.

 

[mattymac]

Tbf we always knew this would happen cos the AFL has pumped so much into port and desperately wants them to be viable. If they gave them the 2nd showdown it wouldn't sell out.

I'm much more concerned about us securing a marquis game like ANZAC day. Its a marquis venue, we are a marquis club so nail down a marquis game. It will be a huge fail if we don't get that sorted.

 

[Marty64]

But you are fighting a losing battle with a number of your own supporters.

IMO that is 100% correct for another generation or so.
After that the numbers will even up a bit.

The numbers will only even up if we permit situations where Port gains ground on us to occur.

Time will fix the agitators and the board.

Not sure how long the actions of the past will carry on, the move to try to be Crows lite upset the traditional supporters and the move back to tradition and "one club" has hurt the bandwagoners that support a SANFL club other than the Magpies. At some stage tradition will have to give way to broadly appeal to new members.

Just how well the market adapts to a Crows reserve team and the bandwagon Norwood has currently is a great unknown.

 

[Cap]

The problem with this attitude is if you turn down situations where you win just because somebody else wins as well, the alternative is often a situation where you lose instead. No point cutting off your nose to spite your face.


Besides, if we stick with 50-50 win/win situations with Port for the rest of our existence, we'll remain ahead of them. What we need to avoid are the situations where they make up ground on us. Losing the ANZAC night game is one such example.

that is a very simplistic view point.

of course in situations like that you take the 50/50, but id suggest they are the exception rather than the rule.

if port have a 50/50 proposition then great. but our focus shouldn't involve thinking like that.

 

[Stinger...]

At the moment there is the SANFL factor but in a generation or so that will go close to disappearing.
Once that happens youngsters will start following teams according to who was successful whilst they were growing up and as success for both teams will have ebbs and flows the numbers in a two team town will even up over time.

I think you ignore family history/pressure at your peril!

 

[*PAF]

I think you ignore family history/pressure at your peril!

Not in most families.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Not in most families.

Yes in most families but not in all families.

The family ties to a club are still very strong.

 

[Stinger...]

Not in most families.

Have you been to a Port game? Disownment would be strong amongst that lot! A small minority I know!

 

[King Elvis]

What Trigg and co have done is destroy your image, but you are all so blindsided to realise this.

If you'd pull your head out of your arse and read our board, you'd realize how wrong this is.


Either way, I'll be going to the first game, regardless of who plays/hosts.

 

[*PAF]

Yes in most families but not in all families.

The family ties to a club are still very strong.

Plenty have grandparents that support different teams.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Plenty have grandparents that support different teams.

But most is based on location and that link comes back to the community or suburb you live in.

Grandparents and parents influence kids who they support.

 

[*PAF]

Have you been to a Port game? Disownment would be strong amongst that lot! A small minority I know!

Yeah now and there will always be a core of diehards, but once the SANFL influence decreases it will be different even for Port supporters.
The original debate was not so much about the diehards but about "new" supporters. At the moment because of the SANFL influence however minor the ties/support might be is in favour of the Crows but over time that will diminish.

 

[*PAF]

But most is based on location and that link comes back to the community or suburb you live in.

Grandparents and parents influence kids who they support.

Agree, but IMO that SANFL community/location part will become less relevant and that was the only point I was trying to make.

 

[Stinger...]

Yeah now and there will always be a core of diehards, but once the SANFL influence decreases it will be different even for Port supporters.
The original debate was not so much about the diehards but about "new" supporters. At the moment because of the SANFL influence however minor the ties/support might be is in favour of the Crows but over time that will diminish.

Again your undermining the fishbowl mentality! For a club that never let's history die, there is no way the Port v the rest of the universe mentality will die meaning AFC supporting families will hate you even more! Especially if given more handouts!

 

[Stinger...]

Agree, but IMO that SANFL community/location part will become less relevant and that was the only point I was trying to make.

IMO that is already irrelevant!

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Agree, but IMO that SANFL community/location part will become less relevant and that was the only point I was trying to make.

Fair enough but how?

How will it become less relevant?