Preview R11: Changes v St Kilda

[MRB37]

VB and Mackay on the emergency list... Would be nice if the likes of Wigg/Menzel even Greenwood could push their way past these guys with SANFL performances

Mackay is on his way back in. Wouldn't surprise me to see him in next week for Milera.

 

[The Smith Revolution]

Match Committee is never easy. I would suggest to those getting personal in this thread to ask themselves how many match committee meetings they have sat in AT ANY LEVEL of footy. If the answer is none, then keep things light and fluffy comensurate with the level of your experience.

Hendo is not best 22. But he is in a winning team. We have played the lowest amount of players in the whole league so far this year. Milera played average last week but he stays too. VB is out now. Hendo will be soon if a young player takes the chance he will be given.

I do see the point that youth is the way. Crows play a consistantly conservative game with selection. Not to everyones taste, but as I said match committee is no bed of roses, which I have had the pleasure of experiencing over the years.

 

[Tex200]

Match Committee is never easy. I would suggest to those getting personal in this thread to ask themselves how many match committee meetings they have sat in AT ANY LEVEL of footy. If the answer is none, then keep things light and fluffy comensurate with the level of your experience.

Hendo is not best 22. But he is in a winning team. We have played the lowest amount of players in the whole league so far this year. Milera played average last week but he stays too. VB is out now. Hendo will be soon if a young player takes the chance he will be given.

I do see the point that youth is the way. Crows play a consistantly conservative game with selection. Not to everyones taste, but as I said match committee is no bed of roses, which I have had the pleasure of experiencing over the years.

Please.

We're not splitting the atom. There's no university degree in this, nor is there any exclusive professional body that requires membership.

I've been part of selecting sports teams before, am I more or less qualified to comment because of that fact?

It's really not rocket science and I think the tone of your condescending advice demeans the purpose of this forum, that being a place for opinions from those with more than a passing interest in their football team.

 

[Elite Crow]

Please.

We're not splitting the atom. There's no university degree in this, nor is there any exclusive professional body that requires membership.

I've been part of selecting sports teams before, am I more or less qualified to comment because of that fact?

It's really not rocket science and I think the tone of your condescending advice demeans the purpose of this forum, that being a place for opinions from those with more than a passing interest in their football team.

I think we are more than qualified to pass judgement on selection given we watch the bloody games.

It's a ridiculous assertion.

 

[1970crow]

If M Crouch wasn't dropped then after his rest he'd be straight back in.

Ordinarily I'd agree. But when he was rested Hendo moved up the ground and uber-plodder went into defence to cover Laird's role. This then pushed CC and Rat into roles in and near the stoppage which changed the midfield mix. It's pretty obvious that it worked and we have a better midfield due to it. It's only 2 games so may change, but I don't think it's a stretch for M Crouch to have been rested and now struggle to get back into the side given the change to the midfield dynamic.

 

[Sam_Malone]

Oh well. I made a few errors with the data, doesn't change the fact out finals record over the past 15 years is horrible.

Therefore you guys are right and I'll concede I'm wrong.

But keeping Douglas in the side only becomes a benefit over crouch if we make a grand final but I can not see us winning 2 finals this year.

Everything has to go correct to win the flag and playing under performing players over players who deserve to be in the side doesn't help or increase the odds of getting everything correct.

 

[Sam_Malone]

Hard to take seriously when facts are wrong. missing quite a few finals wins and ignore the fact that we are playing kids and many have held their spot since round 1.

With all due respect, some posters on this board would disagree even if the facts were 100% correct.

They find any reason to disagree with the club and what they say.

 

[Sam_Malone]

So because people have a (valid) different opinion to you, it's 'bullshit'?

4 weeks ago at the Geelong game, Matt Crouch looked like he was running on the spot he was that slow. He was rested, and the guy(s) ahead of him haven't dropped the ball enough to lose their spot.

It's really not rocket science.

It was bullshit because your post was bullshit.

He's been dropped and he is in better form than some in the side.

Douglas to name 1.

That's why it was bullshit

 

[Sam_Malone]

Sarcasm should be reserved for the person who didn't get their facts wrong.

I'll be as sarcastic as I like. The facts maybe a bit out but doesn't change the past that out finals record over the past 16 years sucks.

You can insult me that my facts are wrong but doesn't help increase the odds of winning 2 finals in one year and that's what it will take to make a grand final.

 

[George 13]

I think the selectors have got the balance spot on this week. I think it would have been a bit to risky to take out another experienced big body in either Thommo or Douglas for this game. I think a lot of people just think we are going to walk this game in which may be the case, By my view is if the Saints bring the A game we might have been to inexperienced to weather it.

All the likes of the Crouches, Wiggs ect can do is to kill it at SANFL level and they will make it back in to the AFL side.

Also for mine let's remember we have gone in again without VB and MacKay, The wheels are turning in the right direction.

And also look at the young ones that have cemented a spot over the last couple of seasons, CC, Lever, Milera, Hartigan, Mclovin, Lyons, Rat, Seed.

 

[Sam_Malone]

I think the selectors have got the balance spot on this week. I think it would have been a bit to risky to take out another experienced big body in either Thommo or Douglas for this game. I think a lot of people just think we are going to walk this game in which may be the case, By my view is if the Saints bring the A game we might have been to inexperienced to weather it.

That's another horrible assertion to make.

If we need Thompson and Douglas yo beat this young st Kilda side at Adelaide oval, we are miles away from where we want and need to be. This st Kilda side is only going to get better over the next 18 months, where we risk stagnating based on player selection.

 

[1970crow]

I don't buy the call that the coaches were giving Vb one last chance to put a line through his name. Blind freddy could tell he was cooked last year, let alone after rnd one and now after another stinker. Grow some pills afc, tell him enough is enough. Treating our matches like a pension is doing nobody any favours. Also, if Nathan you are a clubman and share a team first attitude, please do a cassisi or even a bloody kornes and put you hand up and retire. You stealing games from youngsters sullies your name and puts our growth in reverse. You are past it, accept it and deal with it. Retire with your head held high like you would expect from a former skipper. Disappointing if in 6 weeks you happen to slide into the a's again and then speak again about how you're best 22, you're not and haven't been for 2 years.

I'm sure somebody will eventually wonder whether VB is truely a perfect 'team first' disciple. There's a chance that a myth has been propagated based on an explanation as to how a crud footballer continued to maintain the support of the selectors. Not many, if any, captains don't step aside ensuring the next guy doesn't have to consider the fact that his predecessor was effectively sacked from the gig.

I don't think he should retire though. If he's truly a club man then he should continue plugging away but go to the selectors and name half a dozen players that he refuses to be selected ahead of. Do a Pods VB, be the selfless club man that most describe you as.

 

[GreyCrow]

That's another horrible assertion to make.

If we need Thompson and Douglas yo beat this young st Kilda side at Adelaide oval, we are miles away from where we want and need to be. This st Kilda side is only going to get better over the next 18 months, where we risk stagnating based on player selection.

Ok say Thommo goes out ( as predicted) and we lose. Whats your comeback?

 

[Sam_Malone]

Dangerfield and Sloane never became top line midfielders until Roo, Goody, Edwards and goody were removed.

The same won't happen for the crouch boys until we do the same with Thompson and Douglas.

The fact is, we might have to take a step back before being able to step forward.

 

[Sam_Malone]

Ok say Thommo goes out ( as predicted) and we lose. Whats your comeback?

Patience - premierships are won by investing games into the right players. Not hanging onto a thread of hope with a 33 year old.

North Melbourne will not win the flag this year. Finals will find them out.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

That's another horrible assertion to make.

If we need Thompson and Douglas yo beat this young st Kilda side at Adelaide oval, we are miles away from where we want and need to be. This st Kilda side is only going to get better over the next 18 months, where we risk stagnating based on player selection.

Oh Cmon Sammy .......it's these extremist pessimist views that people post that annoys me ....not based in reality

Don't know how many times over the last couple of years posters have insisted we have to do another 5 year rebuild, as we're going no-where ......emotive with no base in reality

We select sides to win and at the same time develop players ......this year another two first year players have been developed .....this despite the constant barbs that we don't develop kids

 

[pjcrows]

I don't buy the whole "you can't have an opinion on team selection because you've never sat on an AFL match committee before" argument. That would discount this whole forum from making a comment. We all have our ideal "Best 22 to win a premiership" and I reckon if we all posted them they'd look pretty similar.

What does annoy me though is when people pass judgement without all of the facts week to week. There are reasons beyond "they just don't like him" for the selection and non-selection of players. A lot goes on at footy clubs.

The coaching staff and recruiters have a vision of what our "Ultimate 22" looks like, that you can be sure of. What none of us know is what that looks like and I reckon we'd find that a few of the players we have in that 22 haven't even played a game at the club yet.

The AFC started an internal rebuild only 30 games ago and I believe there has been a marked improvement in many areas, and slower in others. See what happens.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

With all due respect, some posters on this board would disagree even if the facts were 100% correct.

They find any reason to disagree with the club and what they say.

Maybe but like I said, on this occasion you are inaccurate on all of your facts. Your argument is just not true.

 

[Sam_Malone]

Oh Cmon Sammy .......it's these extremist pessimist views that people post that annoys me ....not based in reality

Don't know how many times over the last couple of years posters have insisted we have to do another 5 year rebuild, as we're going no-where ......emotive with no base in reality

We select sides to win and at the same time develop players ......this year another two first year players have been developed .....this despite the constant barbs that we don't develop kids

And over the past 5 years, 2 finals victories and an average finish spot of about 7 or 8. Very middle of the road.

 

[1970crow]

We had one and he was straight back in.....

He was the next defender in line. Why Wigg wasn't re-deployed to the defensive group in the 2's beggars belief. Doedee is close though, probably only a couple of games away. But we are short for small defender depth.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

It was bullshit because your post was bullshit.

He's been dropped and he is in better form than some in the side.

Douglas to name 1.

That's why it was bullshit

This board is too slow to recognise poor form .....and too slow to recognise improved form .....Douglas to name 1

 

[WaynesWorld19]

And over the past 5 years, 2 finals victories and an average finish spot of about 7 or 8. Very middle of the road.

Cmon ...not that old cliche

You know all the reasons, but choose to ignore to make a point ......not biting Sam

 

[Sam_Malone]

Maybe but like I said, on this occasion you are inaccurate on all of your facts. Your argument is just not true.

Maybe but 2006 is a long time ago and that was our real last chance at a flag.

 

[Sam_Malone]

Cmon ...not that old cliche

You know all the reasons, but choose to ignore to make a point ......not biting Sam

Like?

The draft pick sanctions? We have to move on some time.

 

[GreyCrow]

I don't buy the whole "you can't have an opinion on team selection because you've never sat on an AFL match committee before" argument. That would discount this whole forum from making a comment. We all have our ideal "Best 22 to win a premiership" and I reckon if we all posted them they'd look pretty similar.

To be fair I think TSR said any match committee and not specifically AFL.

What does annoy me though is when people pass judgement without all of the facts week to week. There are reasons beyond "they just don't like him" for the selection and non-selection of players. A lot goes on at footy clubs.

The coaching staff and recruiters have a vision of what our "Ultimate 22" looks like, that you can be sure of. What none of us know is what that looks like and I reckon we'd find that a few of the players we have in that 22 haven't even played a game at the club yet.

The AFC started an internal rebuild only 30 games ago and I believe there has been a marked improvement in many areas, and slower in others. See what happens.

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