Preview R12: Changes v Wet Toast @ AO

[1970crow]

100%. Milera had two years without playing football. This year is 100% about him getting through the season healthy, so he can have another preseason and attack 2023 with confidence. Playing him round 1 as a reward and then dropping him round 2 was just stupid. I was all for him to be in the team rd 1, but he needs a block of games. I want to give him a minimum 6 games regardless of form.

With Crouch, whilst I don't necessarily agree, I do understand why the club persists with him. Once again all of last year was destroyed with injury and he is obviously a proven commodity at AFL level. At 27 age shouldn't be a factor, but have injuries destroyed him?

How does playing him for 6 games regardless of form or physical preparedness align with ‘selection integrity’. If he can’t dominate at SANFL level then he’s not going to cut it at the higher level. You can’t have 2 sets of rules.

 

[AFC979810]

How does playing him for 6 games regardless of form or physical preparedness align with ‘selection integrity’. If he can’t dominate at SANFL level then he’s not going to cut it at the higher level. You can’t have 2 sets of rules.

Who gives a shit about selection integrity? This season is gone.

If you are going to select a player give them a block of games. Invest games in our players that have the highest potential.

 

[jackster83]

Who gives a shit about selection integrity? This season is gone.

If you are going to select a player give them a block of games. Invest games in our players that have the highest potential.

So why are we playing Brown and Crouch pretty much every week then?

 

[walterhobbs]

Paying 6.50 for the win. They are some very good odds for a 50/50 game.

Yer eagles 1-39 was like 7.25

 

[AFC979810]

So why are we playing Brown and Crouch pretty much every week then?

The block of 5 games are what I want to see. Nothing to do with what the club is doing.

I understand Crouch. Still only 27. Has shown he can be an All Australian and is coming off a complete missed season in 2021. If he can get back to what he is capable of - its worth it.

To Brown - No bloody idea.

 

[jackster83]

I understand Crouch. Still only 27. Has shown he can be an All Australian coming off a complete missed season in 2021. If he can get back to what he is capable - its worth it.

2017 was a long time ago.

Why not bring back Hentschel and see if he can get back to his 2006 best?

 

[AFC979810]

2017 was a long time ago.

Why not bring back Hentschel and see if he can get back to his 2006 best?

Great response. Brilliant really. In no way are you coming across as a complete twat.

Last I checked Hentschel is almost 40, so probably doesn't fit the rebuild. Doubtful he can regain the form of 16 years ago at the age of 40.

 

[1970crow]

What part of crouch's game is strong?. Getting the ball and farming it out. If its wet there are going to be a lot of stoppages and it should suit his game.

Having said that, i'll bet the weather played no part in the clubs thinking this weekend and he was never getting dropped anyway

I’m not sure why, but people refuse to understand that wet weather footy on modern grounds requires more speed, not less. These are the bogs of yesteryear where everyone is handicapped. Players are still mostly running on top of the ground. Handling is impacted, but the ball going to ground more and running further results in lack of leg speed being even more a handicap.

 

[jackster83]

Great response. Brilliant really. In no way are you coming across as a complete twat.

Last I checked Hentschel is almost 40, so probably doesn't fit the rebuild. Doubtful he can regain the form of 16 years ago at the age of 40.

The game has changed a lot since 2017. That is something so basic that even you and your alias should understand.

 

[1970crow]

Ive forgotten what Craigy sounded like. He is so much clearer and precise than Nicks. He was a very good coach. We just needed to put better people around him as he didnt have the Blighty game day genius. To be fair not many coaches do these days. Everything is done through the week and Craighy was a very good Monday-Friday coach. You put Bailey or Walsh alongside Craigy and things may have been different.

Doubt that Craig would have listened as he believed that structure, training, continuity and effort was all that was required. And most likely Craig wouldn’t want anyone offering change up ideas in the coaches box, so doubtful anyone like those 2 would have gotten near the place.

 

[Crow till I die]

I’m not sure why, but people refuse to understand that wet weather footy on modern grounds requires more speed, not less. These are the bogs of yesteryear where everyone is handicapped. Players are still mostly running on top of the ground. Handling is impacted, but the ball going to ground more and running further results in lack of leg speed being even more a handicap.

I think different. The wet ball and slippery deck brings the skills of players back a peg and the ball is not in hand as much and there will be more tackles as a result as its harder to get clean transition.

 

[AFC979810]

The game has changed a lot since 2017. That is something so basic that even you and your alias should understand.

Of course the game has changed. Can Crouch adapt? He is only 27 and has proven to be a high quality AFL player so I understand the club giving him every opportunity

Oh shit. I have an alias now? If you are gonna call it - name the Alias.

And maybe in your response try not being an absolute banana.

 

[1970crow]

Paying 6.50 for the win. They are some very good odds for a 50/50 game.

On form it’s not really a 50:50.

 

[Scorpus]

Of course the game has changed. Can Crouch adapt? He is only 27 and has proven to be a high quality AFL player so I understand the club giving him every opportunity

Oh shit. I have an alias now? If you are gonna call it - name the Alias.

And maybe in your response try not being an absolute banana.

He's played 8 games so far and hasn't shown an ability to improve his game to meet the way it's currently played, despite being dropped to the SANFL

Surely that's enough of an opportunity

 

[walterhobbs]

On form it’s not really a 50:50.

True but its us after all haha

 

[jackster83]

Of course the game has changed. Can Crouch adapt? He is only 27 and has proven to be a high quality AFL player so I understand the club giving him every opportunity

Oh shit. I have an alias now? If you are gonna call it - name the Alias.

And maybe in your response try not being an absolute banana.

Considering the club dropped him only a month ago, what has changed? Noting he was also dropped for dishing up similar rubbish in 2020, I'd suggest it is proven that he cannot adapt. So what has he done that is different to the performances that warranted him getting dropped?

Has he learned to use the ball to team mates advantage?

Has he improved his non-existent defensive running?

Meanwhile we're also depriving Berry and Soligo of midfield rotations.

 

[AFC979810]

Considering the club dropped him only a month ago, what has changed? Noting he was also dropped for dishing up similar rubbish in 2020, I'd suggest it is proven that he cannot adapt. So what has he done that is different to the performances that warranted him getting dropped?

Has he learned to use the ball to team mates advantage?

Has he improved his non-existent defensive running?

Meanwhile we're also depriving Berry and Soligo of midfield rotations.

Hang on. Where is the call out of my Alias? Don't just forget this. You make a claim - back it up.

He's played 8 games so far and hasn't shown an ability to improve his game to meet the way it's currently played, despite being dropped to the SANFL

Surely that's enough of an opportunity

You guys are absolutely Rabid. In no way am I advocating for Crouch. I am saying I understand the club giving him extra opportunities.

I am a massive advocate for giving players a block of games. This in and out bullshit helps nobody.

 

[aabp1978]

Just looked at our last ten games against the Eagles...3-7. Although this Eagles side is a shadow of the past, with Hurn back in, Butts out, the twin towers of Kennedy and darling against our midget backline, and Kelly racking them up in the centre would not be surprised at all if we drop this one.

With our selection...Jones should have been in for McHenry, Schoenberg for Crouch, and Frampton for Murray. Happy Parnell is playing though...

 

[jackster83]

Hang on. Where is the call out of my Alias? Don't just forget this. You make a claim - back it up.

It's an anagram of a rather well known 1970's pop group.

But that's enough of me derailing this thread.

 

[AFC979810]

It's an anagram of a rather well known 1970's pop group.

But that's enough of me derailing this thread.

Well no. You make a claim - you back it up. Name it or retract it.

I wouldn't worry about derailing this thread. I have been on this forum since 2009, I know what your posting brings.

 

[webbcrow]

We haven’t employed anything other than a rookie coach since blight. Same with chief of footy roles. We employ people that align with existing philosophies, not people with the street cred to challenge them. It’s why we continually change coaches without experiencing any actual change to how we go about it.

not disagreeing with your general premise, but wasn't Ayres Geelong head coach same as Blight? I agree from Craig onwards

 

[Maddogmetro]

The game has changed a lot since 2017. That is something so basic that even you and your alias should understand.

I swear this forum just turns into unnecessary shitfights all the time. And most of the time it is simply a person having a different opinion about something minor. Yet people feel the needs for insults and personal attacks in response.

I guess this is what being shit for a few years does to people.

 

[Crow_Magnon]

How the flying f**k is McHenry keeping his spot and Jones isn't. How is it that Rowe and Murphy are better than Pedlar or Newchurch?

It's all about pressure for Nicks, however, our team is losing games because it can't kick goals.

Have to agree here. We're averaging 10 goals a game compared to 14 for our opposition over the first 11 weeks of the year. We need to find more goals, and whilst our KPF's haven't been great, our smalls just aren't getting enough of it. We average around 20 scoring shots to 25 for our opponents. Clearly our midfield and our delivery is part of the blame, but we seem to be missing the ability to crumb the ball off the pack (front & centre), and hitting the bottom of packs at speed to create opportunities. 69 points is our highest score over the past 6 weeks - simply not good enough. Murphy should be in the centre not at HF, and we need a different mix up there.

 

[Geoffa32]

The block of 5 games are what I want to see. Nothing to do with what the club is doing.

I understand Crouch. Still only 27. Has shown he can be an All Australian and is coming off a complete missed season in 2021. If he can get back to what he is capable of - its worth it.

To Brown - No bloody idea.

He was AA when Laird was at HB

The problem is Laird took his role in the last two seasons, and is a slight upgrade.


The two guys can't play in the same midfield, fir that midfield to be effective. And Crouch can't play any other role.

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[Crow_Magnon]

2017 was a long time ago.

Why not bring back Hentschel and see if he can get back to his 2006 best?

The Cats would be interested in Trent, however...is he only 40? If a little older and wheel-chair bound, he'd definitely get a call-up. Interesting stat from last week was their avg games played was 129 to our 64....result was fairly predictable based on that alone.