Autopsy Rd 21 Blues turn to jelly when the F word is mentioned

[Mr_Plow]

Eddie, Dow, Fish really poor

What happened, how the **** did Dow dish that shit up? Did his usage change?

 

[TENACIOUS]

Were not going to get anywhere unless we can get a coach that is tough on standards and can
fix the divide of effort in the playing group...

Is this Teague? Maybe...
But I don't believe so, a Ross Lyon type is what we desperately need...

What were Teague and Co thinking today, all on the line and they

• Play McKay (#1 Coleman Medal) up the ground
• Let Miller run with Cripps and Dow... Letting him get possession after possession,
  while having Curnow tag Rowell (Who couldn't get a kick in a football factory)
• Starting Walsh on the HBF
• Playing LOB at stages at full back

For such an important game for our season it beggars belief...

 

[johnno73]

I don’t get to watch many games live,but was all ready for this one, beers ready, (demanding daughter with grandma for the arvo) and in my head I had it as a 2-3 goal win ( a lofty goal I know ) as a rusted on blues man.
I have the volume down these days so I can focus on the play, GC played out of their absolute skin make no mistake , kicking efficiency was so good, they deserved their win.
From our perspective, we matched them early and yet in the 3rd and 4th quarter’s clearly did not and if we want to be a side going places that was the most disappointing thing for mine. Disappointed and a bit drunk. Tomorrow is better. Go Blues !

 

[Mr_Plow]

Let's also minimise the vitriol towards Teague.

No doubt the guy is trying, but has been hampered by his inability to be objective in terms of selection integrity, stamping his authority regarding underperforming senior players, and not being able to get the best out of the team consistently with a robust game plan.

It's not all his fault, he has been inadequately supported; Lloyd's department, personnel and organisational culture, Liddle too, certainly.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

Eddie, Dow, Fish really poor

Eddie and Dow but I thought fish was okay. His hands were brilliant. Needs to show more but he was okay. Entire midfield and forward line dropped their colours to be fair.

 

[Rosscoe]

The only positive I can take away from today is that this has happened during a review and hopefully they can shed some light on what is going wrong at the club; I still think we are building chemistry but have no idea why we cannot finish sides like North and the suns. It is gut wrenching.

 

[Bic]

The emotional stress that I usually undergo during the season left 3 weeks ago, so I managed to watch this game under a cool guise and just keen to see if some of these fringe players would put their hands up for a contract or have their papers stamped.

I'll save the famous pen through the name for a couple of weeks - but Josh Honey had another decent game and showed more than a lot of others in that position have all year. Good on him.

 

[Own The Future]

This may have been covered already.....but to my mind it is the sort of thing that is representative of the crap. Sam Walsh

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Sam Walsh

Age

24

Ht

184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.1

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

26.2

5star

K

15.4

5star

HB

10.8

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

4.8

5star

starting on a half back flank and then basically swapping straight away with newman. Its not that it actually in and of itself matters. Its more: why does that sh*t even occur to them? Why are they playing these sorts of silly games? These are just distractions.

So many issues today. Very disappointed Dow was completely incapable of finding the footy. Very disappointed they were clearly playing short possession footy early on and we just weren't onto it. It felt like we switched onto it for 5 minutes at the start of the last but then as soon as GC got a goal we stopped again.

Midfield as a group just can't run. Newnes is reliably unreliable. I have said it before: he could fumble for Australia.

Same with Martin. I can’t remember a highly skilled player who fumbles more than he does.

 

[thylacine60]

Let's also minimise the vitriol towards Teague.

No doubt the guy is trying, but has been hampered by his inability to be objective in terms of selection integrity, stamping his authority regarding underperforming senior players, and not being able to get the best out of the team consistently with a robust game plan.

It's not all his fault, he has been inadequately supported; Lloyd's department, personnel and organisational culture, Liddle too, certainly.

moderate the hate towards teague? yeah, that'll fly.........

 

[AB_Blue]

What happened, how the fu** did Dow dish that sh*t up? Did his usage change?

Dow couldn’t get near it today. It seemed he was just unable to get into the heat of the game.

GC mids were ferocious all day and were tackling hard. Dow either couldn’t or didn’t want to be a part of it


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[johnno73]

This game today could and probably should be the point where I fall out of love with the Carlton Football club.

I have been following this club with varying degrees of fervour for almost 60 years. I revelled in the glory years, I stuck fat during the lean times, I understood why we were poor for a decade following the penalties applied by the AFL due to the Elliot era. I could live with that. It hurt to see CFC down, but I stuck. I have no explanation for the woes of the past decade or so.

What hurts most at the moment is last week gave me genuine expectation that we (the loyal supporters) had finally seen a glimmer of hope and future in the young talent, that we were one game closer to culling some aging dead wood, there was a sense of excitement that we were maturing as a playing group and a club. Today smashed away any illusions I was holding on to. Today hurt, yet it is strangely painless. I think my feelings have been cauterised.

What is it to be a follower/supporter of a Football team anyway? Being born in Melbourne there is a tribal, almost quasi religious adherence to the doctrine of whichever club one happens to choose, or be born into following as part of a family tradition (more tribalism). What do we get out of watching a pack of either complete or relative strangers play a game which differs in almost all but name from the game I was enthralled by as a youngster? We get vicarious pleasure when the strangers in matching uniforms do well, we get vicarious angst when they do not. Is there more? Is there some sort of collective mindset which binds complete strangers to a cause?

Whether the folk wearing Dark Nay Blue do well or not has almost nothing to do with the run of the mill supporters. What we, the great unwashed, think do or say has not a jot of influence. Why then do we get so emotionally attached to something we have no control over and no influence on?

Today could and probably should be the beginning of the end, but old habits die hard and I will probably be back for more next week.

Probably.

Really well articulated Bayou Probably the best post have read this year in terms of emotional attachment to our blues.
Been an interstate member for 20 years, watched the game , was pretty flat; at this point I am inherently inflating myself that it just does not matter ! My wife, mum m and daughter are in good health , we have dinner by the fire pit in good spirits , I always drink more booze when the blues are playing to settle the nerves , anyways, I completely get what you are saying I want to be detached but I can’t for better or for worse , cause I care…
This side is up and down so much each week it’s crazy , but they are capable I know it and i am rusted on and will be back next week as always

 

[Kruezing]

For a team that has never achieved anything … this continual arrogance after the occasional win and total belief in the illusory hype that somehow results is such a damning indictment on the playing group … their pathetic week to week mindset and the absolute undeniable inability of the coach and the coaching group to get the players up consistently is something not to behold … nobody does pretending that they’re somebody better than Carlton right now … our ability to be so predictably excellent at delivering shite when it matters is the stuff that would have extended the length of the Benny Hill show by many a year …

 

[branedotorg]

Dow couldn’t get near it today. It seemed he was just unable to get into the heat of the game.

GC mids were ferocious all day and were tackling hard. Dow either couldn’t or didn’t want to be a part of it


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They were right on him, and all our mids, holding just before we took possession of the ball and scragging. Dow tried but doesn't the experience or ability to shake that.

It was well coached by Dew, realised where our drive comes from and nullified it from the first bounce.

 

[FRUMPY]

So still a no, how unique

Rnd 2 me and others- that was pathetic, that is why this club is going nowhere

arrow response 'its round two, season isn't over'

Eagles game me and others - that was pathetic, this is why this club is going nowhere

Arrow response 'we're still a chance'

North game me and others: that was pathetic, that is why this club is going nowhere'

Arrow response 'have you said this previously?'

Gold coast game: 'that was pathetic, this club is going nowhere'

Arrow: 'did you say this during the week?' (and at the same time admitting 'season over, Teague has to go'



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[FRUMPY]

Haven't had a chance to read anything here yet.

Most concerning for me: I thought the Carlton players tried genuinely hard, for the most part, but were simply outplayed, outclassed and outhunted.

That points to gameplan/coaching being an issue, since the team had enough individual talent to do better.

Tried genuinely hard....really..

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[thylacine60]

For a team that has never achieved anything … this continual arrogance after the occasional win and total belief in the illusory hype that somehow results is such a damning indictment on the playing group … their pathetic week to week mindset and the absolute undeniable inability of the coach and the coaching group to get the players up consistently is something not to behold … nobody does pretending that they’re somebody better than Carlton right now … our ability to be so predictably excellent at delivering sh*te when it matters is the stuff that would have extended the length of the Benny Hill show by many a year …

what's your point?

 

[Mr_Plow]

Tried genuinely hard....really..

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They laid more than 60 tackles. That's quite good, for Carlton standards in particular.

 

[Matty411]

I don't think Teague is the right coach at all but it shits me when people put the blame on the coach for not getting the players 'up'

For fu** sake, they are grown men and professional footballers, get yourself up for a game. It is up to the player to be ready to perform. They are the ones to come with the right mindset.

Blame the coach for poor game plan and being out coached. Bit effort and mindset is all on the players.

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The strong implication here is that the players share a large part of the blame. They're capable but maybe they're not intrinsicly motivated as a collective. In which case, coaching and leadership have a huge impact on effort and performance. That's the only thing I can think of.

 

[Arr0w]

Rnd 2 me and others- that was pathetic, that is why this club is going nowhere

arrow response 'its round two, season isn't over'

Eagles game me and others - that was pathetic, this is why this club is going nowhere

Arrow response 'we're still a chance'

North game me and others: that was pathetic, that is why this club is going nowhere'

Arrow response 'have you said this previously?'

Gold coast game: 'that was pathetic, this club is going nowhere'

Arrow: 'did you say this during the week?' (and at the same time admitting 'season over, Teague has to go'



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So you said it was over before this game?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Rnd 2 me and others- that was pathetic, that is why this club is going nowhere

arrow response 'its round two, season isn't over'

Eagles game me and others - that was pathetic, this is why this club is going nowhere

Arrow response 'we're still a chance'

North game me and others: that was pathetic, that is why this club is going nowhere'

Arrow response 'have you said this previously?'

Gold coast game: 'that was pathetic, this club is going nowhere'

Arrow: 'did you say this during the week?' (and at the same time admitting 'season over, Teague has to go'



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Frump, with all due respect, you are quite negative almost all of the time, even if we win. Considering a club in our position was always going to take a while to learn how to win, calling us crap all the time is a percentage play.

It's not wrong of anybody to tell people to relax until the final result is known, or else the board will be a festering pool of negativity and not worth visiting.

 

[Blue and Blue]

I blame Gold Coast for playing better than us................

 

[FRUMPY]

Eddie and Dow but I thought fish was okay. His hands were brilliant. Needs to show more but he was okay. Entire midfield and forward line dropped their colours to be fair.

I thought fish was terrible...

Thats why discussion is good. We all see it differently

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[FRUMPY]

Same with Martin. I can’t remember a highly skilled player who fumbles more than he does.

He is a tease.....always has been and always will be. The only think guaranteed is his bank balance unfortunately

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[Jimmyonesix]

This by no means cost is the game -- but why when we have a stacked forward line do we start Ed half forward then when the midfield get smashed we send him to the centre without the assignment of Miller -- Kennedy Ed cripps same side doesn't work for me and none know how to link to the outside .. but not using Ed to tag baffles me

 

[FRUMPY]

The strong implication here is that the players share a large part of the blame. They're capable but maybe they're not intrinsicly motivated as a collective. In which case, coaching and leadership have a huge impact on effort and performance. That's the only thing I can think of.

Don't get me wrong it's a joint effort. But in the end, if a player wants to keep their spot, it's on them to be ready to play both physically and emotionally.

I played local footy and never replied on the coach to get me ready mentally. Sure a bake here or there may have switched me on but in the end it fell on me. I never blamed the coach for a bad game.

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