Richmond - time for a rebuild?

[Grrr]

Came her to reply to the post about Yze being a flaky half back, even though he played 271 games, won a B&F, and an AA jumper, then had to read the same crap about rich v geelong for the next two pages, the same crap I've read on every other Richmond thread by the same posters.

 

[Gavin Excell]

It's not a rebuild
It's a Hard Reset

 

[Zevon]

Came her to reply to the post about Yze being a flaky half back, even though he played 271 games, won a B&F, and an AA jumper, then had to read the same crap about rich v geelong for the next two pages, the same crap I've read on every other Richmond thread by the same posters.

Agree it’s extremely tiresome. Cleaned up now.

 

[Grrr]

It's not a rebuild
It's a Hard Reset

I actually don't see it quite that way.
Sure we had a horrid year, but we had some really good excuses.

We had 4 to 6 VFL players left on our list for half a season almost. 5 ACL's is unheard of. Our entire midfield gone.
We had players like Martin running around far, far off his best and not really helping the side. Bolton and Baker were sort of gone already and were nowhere near their best. A new coach etc.

Our fully fit side is not devoid of talent. Vlastuin, Prestia, Taranto, Hopper, Short, Lynch, Balta, Nankervis and Broad are good to very good players. Players like Ross, Mansell, Ralphsmith, Brown, Miller, Rioli Jnr have shown they can play at the level. A lot of new faces got a go last year and at times looked good, Campbell, Banks, Trezise, McAuliffe, Lefau, Bauer, Blight, Green etc.

Lalor and Smillie are already our biggest mids, so physically ready to go. Not expecting too much but they will impact, no.1 picks usually do. Gibcus has shown he can play and will be back in training soon. 6 other 30 odd draftees will get games at times, but we will not be relying on them this year.

Injuries will make a difference. Lynch is in full training and has done a full preseason, his first in 3 seasons.
I don't expect us to rise much, but I think we will be a fair bit better than last season. No injuries at all apart from the rehab of the ACL, so a full list to choose from rd.1 (with some luck over the next 6 weeks or so).

 

[Lunchtime]

Came her to reply to the post about Yze being a flaky half back, even though he played 271 games, won a B&F, and an AA jumper, then had to read the same crap about rich v geelong for the next two pages, the same crap I've read on every other Richmond thread by the same posters.

Also finished equal 3rd in the Brownlow medal too.

 

[Cdog71]

Whether it’s a rebuild or a hard reset. Either way I dont mind.

What I’d like to see and think we might be for the next two/ three years is the biggest coach killer of AFL era.

There’ll be coaches praying they don’t lose to us.

 

[Grrr]

Also finished equal 3rd in the Brownlow medal too.

He was class. When he got the ball he always did something with it.

 

[Tjblues]

I actually don't see it quite that way.
Sure we had a horrid year, but we had some really good excuses.

We had 4 to 6 VFL players left on our list for half a season almost. 5 ACL's is unheard of. Our entire midfield gone.
We had players like Martin running around far, far off his best and not really helping the side. Bolton and Baker were sort of gone already and were nowhere near their best. A new coach etc.

Our fully fit side is not devoid of talent. Vlastuin, Prestia, Taranto, Hopper, Short, Lynch, Balta, Nankervis and Broad are good to very good players. Players like Ross, Mansell, Ralphsmith, Brown, Miller, Rioli Jnr have shown they can play at the level. A lot of new faces got a go last year and at times looked good, Campbell, Banks, Trezise, McAuliffe, Lefau, Bauer, Blight, Green etc.

Lalor and Smillie are already our biggest mids, so physically ready to go. Not expecting too much but they will impact, no.1 picks usually do. Gibcus has shown he can play and will be back in training soon. 6 other 30 odd draftees will get games at times, but we will not be relying on them this year.

Injuries will make a difference. Lynch is in full training and has done a full preseason, his first in 3 seasons.
I don't expect us to rise much, but I think we will be a fair bit better than last season. No injuries at all apart from the rehab of the ACL, so a full list to choose from rd.1 (with some luck over the next 6 weeks or so).

Nothing wrong with being optimistic, but it’d be a massive surprise if Richmond aren’t bottom 2 this year and bottom 4 at best next year.

They seem to have drafted well (on paper at least) and there’ll be plenty of reason to be excited watching their games as a fan, but the list is thin on experience and will struggle to play 4 quarters.

I don’t disagree with your list of Good/Very good players, but that’s 9 guys total, and it’s a list that contains some highly injury prone players. The likelihood of all of those guys being there most weeks isn’t great.

As a Blues fan I’ve seen a lot of rebuilds in the recent past, and those super talented kids you’ve brought in are probably going to have a hard time early on their careers because they’re going to be asked to do far more than the young guys brought into other clubs. That’s not to say they aren’t going to be up to it but Lalor/Smilie and co will get far more attention than the Ashcrofts and Smiths of the world in their early years

I think they’ve had a good off season and made the most of what they could with guys asking to leave and bring in high quality talent, but while it’s better long term, losing Baker, Graham, Rioli, Bolton makes improvement in 2025 very tough.

I hope Yze gets a fair run at it because rebuild coaches never seem to and we probably won’t know if he can coach for at least another 3 years.

I would be surprised if they win any more than 8-10 games over the next 2 years combined, after that it’ll depend on how many draft picks they hit on and whether they can use what will presumably be a sizeable salary cap to snag a couple of FA’s

 

[Grrr]

Nothing wrong with being optimistic, but it’d be a massive surprise if Richmond aren’t bottom 2 this year and bottom 4 at best next year.

They seem to have drafted well (on paper at least) and there’ll be plenty of reason to be excited watching their games as a fan, but the list is thin on experience and will struggle to play 4 quarters.

I don’t disagree with your list of Good/Very good players, but that’s 9 guys total, and it’s a list that contains some highly injury prone players. The likelihood of all of those guys being there most weeks isn’t great.

As a Blues fan I’ve seen a lot of rebuilds in the recent past, and those super talented kids you’ve brought in are probably going to have a hard time early on their careers because they’re going to be asked to do far more than the young guys brought into other clubs. That’s not to say they aren’t going to be up to it but Lalor/Smilie and co will get far more attention than the Ashcrofts and Smiths of the world in their early years

I think they’ve had a good off season and made the most of what they could with guys asking to leave and bring in high quality talent, but while it’s better long term, losing Baker, Graham, Rioli, Bolton makes improvement in 2025 very tough.

I hope Yze gets a fair run at it because rebuild coaches never seem to and we probably won’t know if he can coach for at least another 3 years.

I would be surprised if they win any more than 8-10 games over the next 2 years combined, after that it’ll depend on how many draft picks they hit on and whether they can use what will presumably be a sizeable salary cap to snag a couple of FA’s

I would be surprised if we get anywhere near 8-10 games, bottom 4 odds on, but fully fit we could run sides, but as you say, not good/fit enough to finish them.

Will need some luck regarding injury, but have built depth over last year so our reserves coming in to replace injured players will not be coming in as new players.

8 new additions all with fairly high expectations prior to which club they landed at gives real hope going forward. Not to climb up the ladder necessarily, but to have a year in the system and set themselves up for perhaps the following year.

Plus we will get 1-4 draft pick next year and North's first rounder which could easily be used on a real quality free agent, we have lots of $$ to spend as well. Pick 5-10 most likely will net a top line player.

 

[Mr Magic]

Finishing last isn't tracking well.
Can't see that changing next year or the year after.

I am not worried about what you see


I am more interested in what our prospects are showing.

Mccauliffe, Blight putting in and showing clear development, at least some of our new draftees should good sign, ,so the signs are going forward we will rise for sure, and I am happy to accept we are not winning a premiership in 2025 and if we did, Yze and the players would be immortal

If RFC won the premiership in 2025 it would be the greatest premiership bar none and probably close to the greatest achievement in sport ever

everyone in footy would be gobsmacked and jaws drop to the floor if RFC won the premiership in 2025, that is the size of such a mountain. Even conceiving it is borderline ridiculous

Fonseca has more chance of winning a gram slam this year than RFC winning the AFL premiership in 2025, no ones fault, it is just the size of the task given our profile versus who we would have to face

if you cannot see us kicking goals, we slip under the radar until we win the GF.

it is like 2017, no one believed we could win until late in the GF when we could not lose

no pressure when no one thinks you can win, and when you win, no won rates you like in 2017 which helps us win more