Autopsy Roast & Toast vs Adelaide & Changes for Brisbane

[Karp3_dm]

Remember how good Shedda was against Brisbane last year? More of that please

Oh man he tore it to shreds! Was electric

 

[TigerMoz1973]

Racist

gonna keep calling it practice match or scratch match f***ern seppo speak can stay over there

 

[TigerMoz1973]

If meatball plays and comes back anywhere near the way Shedda came back last week then we are in business. If Dion doesn't come back we are still in business but maybe just a little less.
Brizzy will be a tough opponent to play. Not just once but a good chance we'll play them twice. They will keep improving I have no doubt

 

[Cotcho]

I can’t wait to see him back in action. The immovable object, the man with the lowest centre of gravity on the planet, untacklable, the worm burner, he’s the human meatball.

 

[mauricerioli]

From today's training.

 

[strauchy]

Prestia will be worth playing mark my words..he is simply too good to not be selected. He won our BNF last year and rightfully so.

He might not be at his absolute best, but even if he gets 18-20 touches, they will be hard and tough in the middle. Will be good for him to work into some form for the next final.

He will also make our team look better with players like Edwards/lambert/Bolton being able to rotate with him. Matchup wise Brisbane will struggle.




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[Dr Awkward]

If meatball plays and comes back anywhere near the way Shedda came back last week then we are in business. If Dion doesn't come back we are still in business but maybe just a little less.
Brizzy will be a tough opponent to play. Not just once but a good chance we'll play them twice. They will keep improving I have no doubt

Shedda though wasn't coming back from injury.

Prestia's form at our club has often depended on his fitness, so I would hold back expectations a bit. No doubt we have to inject him into the side though.

 

[The Mighty]

He will also make our team look better with players like Edwards/lambert/Bolton being able to rotate with him. Matchup wise Brisbane will struggle.

Especially when Arry's hamstring snaps in the first quarter.

 

[BruceTempany14]

If meatball plays and comes back anywhere near the way Shedda came back last week then we are in business. If Dion doesn't come back we are still in business but maybe just a little less.
Brizzy will be a tough opponent to play. Not just once but a good chance we'll play them twice. They will keep improving I have no doubt

I think opposite. If we play them twice then we are premiers for sure . As much as they may be a good story , they are nowhere near our class. NeAle can have 60 possessions and they still won’t get within 7 goals .
This is the new Richmond . We don’t get beaten by this shit anymore .
And this will be the case whether Prestia or Lynch play or not .
The dynasty is only beginning . Enjoy it .
Always hungry , never humble .



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[AstuteTiger]

Prestia moving well in today's intra club. Certain starter. Even with managed minutes still reckon he'll get 15-20 touches. Seems to have put on size too.
Impressive midfield, can't tag them all. Martin, Cotchin, Prestia, Edwards, Bolton, Graham, Lambert
Bolton playing as magical as Edwards has helped immensely with our midfield depth and Jack Graham's last 4-5 games say no more, he has been fantastic.

Prestia returns to full training

Watch Dion Prestia at training earlier today.

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[TigerMoz1973]

Shedda though wasn't coming back from injury.

Prestia's form at our club has often depended on his fitness, so I would hold back expectations a bit. No doubt we have to inject him into the side though.

Agree he hasn't had the same preparation as shedda but as long as he is serviceable then he'll be better for the run.
The fact that it's finals will encourage him to step up his game quicker.

 

[BruceTempany14]

Prestia moving well in today's intra club. Certain starter. Even with managed minutes still reckon he'll get 15-20 touches. Seems to have put on size too.
Impressive midfield, can't tag them all. Martin, Cotchin, Prestia, Edwards, Bolton, Graham, Lambert
Bolton playing as magical as Edwards has helped immensely with our midfield depth and Jack Graham's last 4-5 games say no more, he has been fantastic.

Prestia returns to full training

Watch Dion Prestia at training earlier today.

www.richmondfc.com.au

Really good post .


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[cairo tiger]

medical staff will know but I think its a risk its his tank I am worried about, bloody aarts is a cattle dog up and down the feild....ross?

 

[mauricerioli]

medical staff will know but I think its a risk its his tank I am worried about, bloody aarts is a cattle dog up and down the feild....ross?

His tank should be fine, he's got very good endurance plus the reduced quarters will help.

 

[cairo tiger]

His tank should be fine, he's got very good endurance plus the reduced quarters will help.

Shorter qtrs fine but how much footy has he played?

 

[mauricerioli]

Shorter qtrs fine but how much footy has he played?

He has great endurance, his tank will be fine.
He's had the same amount of games as Nank and Astbury had after long lay offs.
Those scrimmage games aren't any better than match simulation with our senior team.

 

[smasha]

Get out your pasta for Meatball,the Jack Dyer medallist is back and ready to tear the Brions a new one.

 

[YeOldTiger]

Saw him play McEnroe at festival hall ...

Loved how he used to wait to return the ball with one leg forward instead of legs apart. Completely went against the grain of conventional tennis wisdom of being able to move laterally depending on whether the serve went to the forehand or backhand side. I remember copying it when I played and that's how I worked out that his plan was to move forward into the served ball to cut down the angle rather than wait back for it. Sigh. Good times Eliot Telcher.

 

[YeOldTiger]

Can we please put the word "scrimmage" in the same f#$@ing rubbish bin ("trashcan""- another banned Y(w)ank word) that "jersey" should be placed in.

It's a practice match or a scratch match. If you don't hold on to the traditions of the game, including the terminology you end up with a diluted, crap product with no respect for the rules (being constantly changed) and a game that barely resembles the game you love and ends up looking more like another less spectacular and wonderful game altogether.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Can we please put the word "scrimmage" in the same f#$@ing rubbish bin ("trashcan""- another banned Y(w)ank word) that "jersey" should be placed in.

It's a practice match or a scratch match. If you don't hold on to the traditions of the game, including the terminology you end up with a diluted, crap product with no respect for the rules (being constantly changed) and a game that barely resembles the game you love and ends up looking more like another less spectacular and wonderful game altogether.

YOT “scrimmage" was being used by the older radio commentators when I was a kid, (so from at least the early 70’s) to describe what we would now call stoppages....the latter being the infiltrating term, maybe from basketball? It was probably also used to describe other ground balls contested by groups of players. You can bet that those commentators grew up with that term so it would have been used in Australian Rules for probably 100+ years now. This new usage to describe the informal and less important nature of the reserves matches in 2020 seems perfectly appropriate to me, especially given what we normally call a practice match would contain most of the club’s senior players...and these matches don’t. "Scratch match” also seems reasonable to me as it denotes the informality of the contest.

Jersey.....well I have written about this before here. It is not a term that originated in America at all but from the Channel Isle of Jersey in the English Channel, near the coast of France. It’s neighbouring island is Guernsey. Both islands produced prized knitwear from hundreds of years ago, naturally known as “jerseys” and “guernseys.” Later both words were used as generic terms for jumpers or pullovers, more or less interchangeably throughout most of the western world. The popularity of the term “jersey” in the US would simply be the result of some people from there taking root in a certain part of America, think “New Jersey.”

We also had Jersey and Guernsey cows here when I was a child and I would think we still do. My own grandmother, born and bred in Melbourne used the term “jersey” to describe a woollen jumper. This was all long before we got to realise that the Americans use the term routinely to describe their gridiron tops.

So the terms scrimmage and jersey are not in any way taboo to the traditions of Australian Rules football that I grew up with, nor my predecessors, nor, I am guessing, yours.

 

[Accepted 04]

Can we please put the word "scrimmage" in the same f#$@ing rubbish bin ("trashcan""- another banned Y(w)ank word) that "jersey" should be placed in.

It's a practice match or a scratch match. If you don't hold on to the traditions of the game, including the terminology you end up with a diluted, crap product with no respect for the rules (being constantly changed) and a game that barely resembles the game you love and ends up looking more like another less spectacular and wonderful game altogether.

oh calm down old man

 

[tropicaltiger]

medical staff will know but I think its a risk its his tank I am worried about, bloody aarts is a cattle dog up and down the feild....ross?

prestia will be given minimum game time, no probs all our mids will do 2-3 minutes more than normal. we are prepared for these situations.

 

[YeOldTiger]

YOT “scrimmage" was being used by the older radio commentators when I was a kid, (so from at least the early 70’s) to describe what we would now call stoppages....the latter being the infiltrating term, maybe from basketball? It was probably also used to describe other ground balls contested by groups of players. You can bet that those commentators grew up with that term so it would have been used in Australian Rules for probably 100+ years now. This new usage to describe the informal and less important nature of the reserves matches in 2020 seems perfectly appropriate to me, especially given what we normally call a practice match would contain most of the club’s senior players...and these matches don’t. "Scratch match” also seems reasonable to me as it denotes the informality of the contest.

Jersey.....well I have written about this before here. It is not a term that originated in America at all but from the Channel Isle of Jersey in the English Channel, near the coast of France. It’s neighbouring island is Guernsey. Both islands produced prized knitwear from hundreds of years ago, naturally known as “jerseys” and “guernseys.” Later both words were used as generic terms for jumpers or pullovers, more or less interchangeably throughout most of the western world. The popularity of the term “jersey” in the US would simply be the result of some people from there taking root in a certain part of America, think “New Jersey.”

We also had Jersey and Guernsey cows here when I was a child and I would think we still do. My own grandmother, born and bred in Melbourne used the term “jersey” to describe a woollen jumper. This was all long before we got to realise that the Americans use the term routinely to describe their gridiron tops.

So the terms scrimmage and jersey are not in any way taboo to the traditions of Australian Rules football that I grew up with, nor my predecessors, nor, I am guessing, yours.

Hate to disagree with you Rise but whilst you're technically correct (thanks for the schooling but I am very much aware of everything you wrote particularly the cows bit having grown up on a dairy farm) the more recent use of the terms scrimmage and jersey in the context I was raising them come specifically from the Americanisation of both our sport and our in some respects our culture, of which I am sure you are aware.

It's this derailing and systematic infiltration of our sports culture particularly and specifically to our game that doesn't sit well with me. You failed to mention that jersey is the term commonly used for a team singlet in American basketball and/or shirt in American football as well as the common knowledge that scrimmage is the word used for warm up matches and practice matches in a range/most of American sports.

Now, we both know that the good burghers of bigfooty aren't likely reaching down in to the sepia history lesson you gave and looking fondly back into the ancient old woolen jumper, hobnail booted and bloated brown footies anecdotes of our fine game to re-up these terms.

Nope. They're getting them from sportsbet and fox footy and college basketball and Monday night football and the over hyped (imo) garbage that is forced on us and that I rail against. That's just my preference. I do like a lot of American sports but geez you have to take much if it with more than a grain of salt.

Nek minit we have crap like AFLX on our doorstep. What an uninvited profligate excercise that seems only a year later...next stop WWE or whatever it's called these days. Foosball mashup video dancing with the drone stars. Yuk

Eventually there won't even BE a ball !

(That not to say I didn't love Alex Rance's entry on a motorised skateboard channeling Kanye because that was the bomb - I just wish he'd rocked up to the Brownlow like that instead of that abbreviated American style X snorefest).

Put simply, despite what you say I warrant that these terms AREN'T intrinsic to our game at all. Yes perhaps they were once used at one time but neither are or have been part of the continuing Aussie Rules footballing vernacular of almost ANY past generations. They don't even mean what people are trying to mean they say.

Your grandma might have called a woolen jumper a jersey but she didn't mean the getup that Skinny Titus was running around in. A footy jumper was and is UNIVERSALLY known as a guernsey perhaps specifically to differentiate it from a wooly vest your lovely Nana wore but more likely I suspect to clearly label an Australian football jumper. Context Rise context.

Again, in Australian football terminology a practice match was never called a scrimmage. A scrimmage was, as you rightly pointed out somwthing completely different. In rugby it might have been called a ruck or something leading to a scrum. In America it's a practice match and the term, in that context is now suddenly being used to describe a scratch match here,.even if it's only 12 v 12. (Don't even get me started on Verses v verse)! It's wrong, irrelevant and inconsistent with what a scrimmage is, as understood by Australian football players and fans alike.

They're Americanised terms, infiltrating our indigenous game. I'm not against change, I just lean towards change that improves and doesn't scratch and tear at the fabric of our well-worn guernseys.

Why do we need to both change the meaning of our own original terms and include (Americanised) versions of the words that as you yourself say mean completely different things ? Is scrimmage somehow a "cooler" word?

If jersey is the new word for a guernsey then wtf is a guernsey now ? If a visiting American (pre covid obviously) said "Oooh I like Richmond's jersey" wont they be immediately corrected by any Australian Richmond supporter ??..I know my Nana would correct them quick smart (may she rip).

They're not needed, they dont even mean the same and frankly if we don't say no at times like this, then we lose the aforementioned fabric and you end up with a different (Americanised) game (which is what I said originally).

Man, it must be bye week.

 

[YeOldTiger]

oh calm down old man

I'll have what Karp is having...lol

 

[mauricerioli]

Who has been using the term jersey?