And a number of crucial tackles and plays in defence
Best behind the ball and rebounding forward for mine
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Autopsy Round 10, 2017: Sydney vs Hawthorn
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And a number of crucial tackles and plays in defence
Best behind the ball and rebounding forward for mine
Haha. Ok.
Grand Uncle Horace
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GR is best at the draft table. Would suit Geelong or a new coach at the Bloods
Cray cray.
We haven't beaten you in ages...including in Sydney. And that's when we were a top 2 side.
Give us an even free kick count and we're half a chance.
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kickthething
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Some kind of weird psychological protection strategy going on here....how fragile is your mindset if you truly believe that.
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Woe is them. Poor hardly done by dogs. Imagine if they were able to summon the strength & belief to win against the AFL pet & powerhouse that is Sydney?!
Not with their ragtag bunch of lovable bluecoller hard working honest fair clean players?? Surely not?!?
Against the might of the elite AA mercenaries Of JPK, Tippett & Buddy?? Noooooo.....? Could it happen? Wow, it would be #sobrave....
You know what. Before last year I actually didn't mind the dogs. But this false image of the dogs keeps getting rammed down my throat by the media; thus adopted & run with in the general population & on the boards... I'm sick of it already!! The dogs were great to acheive what they did last year. Taking nothing away from them. But they weren't brave. They threw the ball. Slide into legs. Ducked. Wrapped arms around their own heads for frees. Had a week off to recover (offsetting the advantage other teams above them had earned). Got a better rub of the green than Hawthorn ever got (that's saying something coming from me). Have had handout after handout after handout.
Piss off with the "woe is us" BS. We all know what the AFL actually wanted last year & likely want again this year (GWS & a Vic team). Keep "flicking" your way to another finals. #sobrave
Not with their ragtag bunch of lovable bluecoller hard working honest fair clean players?? Surely not?!?
Against the might of the elite AA mercenaries Of JPK, Tippett & Buddy?? Noooooo.....? Could it happen? Wow, it would be #sobrave....
You know what. Before last year I actually didn't mind the dogs. But this false image of the dogs keeps getting rammed down my throat by the media; thus adopted & run with in the general population & on the boards... I'm sick of it already!! The dogs were great to acheive what they did last year. Taking nothing away from them. But they weren't brave. They threw the ball. Slide into legs. Ducked. Wrapped arms around their own heads for frees. Had a week off to recover (offsetting the advantage other teams above them had earned). Got a better rub of the green than Hawthorn ever got (that's saying something coming from me). Have had handout after handout after handout.
Piss off with the "woe is us" BS. We all know what the AFL actually wanted last year & likely want again this year (GWS & a Vic team). Keep "flicking" your way to another finals. #sobrave
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We are favourites in our next 4-5 games on CrownBet. Wtf I'd have the dogs and tigers short prices against us. Time to load up
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Betting set during the North and Saints successes I'd say. If the market doesn't adjust there's a lot of idiots out there.
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Hello swans fans. Hope its ok to visit. Kudos and condolences. Was a treat to see Buddy in flight.
I come humbly with a question for some of you after perusing this autopsy thread:
Why the thought among some here that "Horse has been outmatched by Clarko consistently since 2013"? That he "keeps doing the same thing over and over" and "never learns his lesson"? I've certainly never felt that confident when the Hawks play Sydney.
Home and away games between the two sides have been split 1-1 in 2014, 2015 and 2016. Every chance Swans will repeat the pattern and beat the Hawks later this year. Do Horse's critics just believe they've been able to win "despite" the game-plan?
Sure there have been a couple of notable floggings, but I know Hawks fans are under no illusions of the Swans being our "bunnies" or anything of the sort.
I come humbly with a question for some of you after perusing this autopsy thread:
Why the thought among some here that "Horse has been outmatched by Clarko consistently since 2013"? That he "keeps doing the same thing over and over" and "never learns his lesson"? I've certainly never felt that confident when the Hawks play Sydney.
Home and away games between the two sides have been split 1-1 in 2014, 2015 and 2016. Every chance Swans will repeat the pattern and beat the Hawks later this year. Do Horse's critics just believe they've been able to win "despite" the game-plan?
Sure there have been a couple of notable floggings, but I know Hawks fans are under no illusions of the Swans being our "bunnies" or anything of the sort.
True. We've grafted tiny wins usually in horrible grind fests - mostly early in seasons. And sure we've grafted some tiny, disgusting losses in horrible grind fests where the result could have gone either way.
But even succeeding in such games feels like pyrrhic victories half the time.
One team and one system only has repeatedly smashed the other in 10+ goal routs. No guessing which team that was.
Our gameplan at its very best since 2013 has been good for about a tenuous 3 goal margin at best. That's our ceiling. 5% off our game and we're routed.
Your ceiling has been 60pts+.
So the short answer is, no. It's not the win loss margin we're watching. It's the way our team plays against certain styles that draws comment.
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There has long been a seeming desire of some Swans fans that playing a pretty brand of football is preferable to winning games of football. It appears lost on these supporters that the style of football the Swans have played has kept us near the top of the ladder for a long time now.
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That was because of the cattle we had, Roos crafted a gameplan around the abilities of the players.
Longmire is trying to carry on that similar gameplan of hard tackling, hard running. With a new generation of players who don't fit that gameplan.
Not sure that asking that we avoid letting a team romp in 100+ extra possessions in a half necessarily means asking us to play a pretty brand, though.
We can be just as ugly and throttle the life out of them.
Nothing uglier than being non competitive as we were against GWS in the first hour.
Grand Uncle Horace
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Thanks for your response, and fair enough too.
You're very right about the 3 goal margin ceiling for some reason. The two notable games are:
-2014, Bud's first game against the hawks, where he kicked terribly for three quarters then won the game in the last. Score 107-88
-2016, a flat affair right after the Roughead cancer news. Score 55-69
In neither game did Hawthorn ever look likely, and yet your point about small margin rings true.
And I guess people can probably be forgiven for assessing the data even less favourably when a grand final smashing looms so large where coach and list all went missing.
It might be at least a little bit similar to Hawthorn's inability to beat Geelong in the Kennett Curse games. Even in 2013 we had a brilliant season, and excepting a shocker against the tigers our only losses were close ones to Geelong. We were all pulling our hair out and wondering why on earth the hawks kept insisting on bombing it long, straight to Lonergan/Mackie/Taylor again and again and again for five years.
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