Autopsy Round 13 = Melbourne 66-62 Collingwood

[3rdMan]

Felt like a game where we were off more than them taking it away from us. Even with losing clearances, we had plenty of opportunities to move the ball but kept making mistakes. Pressure and run were down.

Pre bye's not a bad time for a loss. Gives us something to work on.

The one takeaway for me is it showed that we do need an extra forward target in McStay. When not getting easy ball movement, stronger, taller forwards are required. Our rucks don't get to enough contests, AJ not strong enough and Mihocek can't do it alone. Need stronger aerial contests forward.

 

[Looney]

Melbourne dominated that game for all but the first 10 minutes of the first quarter. They played great and beat us at our own game


AJ kicked 2 against Geelong in the qualifying final. Chill.

Nah, he does have a point. I've been saying the same thing about AJ since last years finals. He's primarily a Mark-Kick-Goal player. He also needs perfect conditions for him to mark the ball. Passes at perfect height and perfect speed. Other than that he simply doesn't bother with second or third efforts when the ball hits the ground. This is just my observation from watching him play. That's the dilemma, when he kicks goals, it balances out his deficiencies. But when he doesn't kick goals, he is a liability because he doesn't contribute in other ways.

 

[No SPIN]

Beaten up in the middle, and they had a plan to curtail our rebound which worked. They pressured the ball carrier and the players within the next 10m radius too.
Not sure how we tackle this next time but you can’t kick long either - maybe looks for more shorter wide exit kicks then run forward.
When we had our chances to get them on the counter attack we stuffed them up but regardless they should have been further in front. We don’t lose by much when we do but I wouldn’t hang out hat on it only being less than a goal today either.

This was a great game also against good oppo to work out how to optimise our lineup - Frampton/Johnson might make us too tall against sides like this around the ground, despite their strength of rucks/big defenders.


A good first half of the year, need to recharge and hit back straight away.

“Beaten up in the middle”? - we actually won centre clearances.

 

[partypie]

Was an off day for us after coming in off another flu-ridden week at the club, so not much point picking it apart on a player-by-player basis as we were pretty ordinary for most of the game and seems too willing to settle at playing to the opposition's level and style of football (again). Having said that if you take out a handful of really stupid mistakes then we probably still sneak away with the four points, so the real problem for us is that there are three or four teams (Port, Brisbane, Melbourne and probably still Geelong) that can turn the screws on us if we come out and play like this.

Only positive from the last four weeks is that we've hit the turn at 11-2 with a two game gap to third, otherwise you'd have to say it's been a somewhat disappointing month overall with our dip in form and failure to bank some bigger wins.

Focus from here needs to be improving our consistency across four quarters and secure that top-2 spot at season's end - we don't necessarily have to play our best football for the full 120 minutes, but not slipping below 85-90% of that level as often as we have been this past month is where the improvement will come for us moving into the business end of the season.

 

[SchuPie]

Reef in for Ginni, not sure that was a good call.
Reef did absolutely nothing and doesn’t look up to the level

Big off season for Reef - He needs to run all day, every day
I don’t think he’s a forward and he should be a inside mid
Hoping the coaches identify a spot for him and he works like crazy to get there

 

[Finnishpie]

Felt like a game where we were off more than them taking it away from us. Even with losing clearances, we had plenty of opportunities to move the ball but kept making mistakes. Pressure and run were down.

Pre bye's not a bad time for a loss. Gives us something to work on.

The one takeaway for me is it showed that we do need an extra forward target in McStay. When not getting easy ball movement, stronger, taller forwards are required. Our rucks don't get to enough contests, AJ not strong enough and Mihocek can't do it alone. Need stronger aerial contests forward.

“Beaten up in the middle”? - we actually won centre clearances.

I think there’s a question about quality of clearances. they seemed to go straight out the front, us up in the air from behind the pack and to their half-backs.

Could be wrong, but felt like they beat us on the inside most of the day.

 

[Finnishpie]

Big off season for Reef - He needs to run all day, every day
I don’t think he’s a forward and he should be a inside mid
Hoping the coaches identify a spot for him and he works like crazy to get there

I’d even give him a run at half-back for a while.

 

[LuckyLee]

Nah, he does have a point. I've been saying the same thing about AJ since last years finals. He's primarily a Mark-Kick-Goal player. He also needs perfect conditions for him to mark the ball. Passes at perfect height and perfect speed. Other than that he simply doesn't bother with second or third efforts when the ball hits the ground. This is just my observation from watching him play. That's the dilemma, when he kicks goals, it balances out his deficiencies. But when he doesn't kick goals, he is a liability because he doesn't contribute in other ways.

Sounds a lot like crowd-favourite Ginni……and then there’s McInnes, who provides……well, actually, I have no idea what he provides.


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[Kappa]

Was an off day for us after coming in off another flu-ridden week at the club, so not much point picking it apart on a player-by-player basis as we were pretty ordinary for most of the game and seems too willing to settle at playing to the opposition's level and style of football (again). Having said that if you take out a handful of really stupid mistakes then we probably still sneak away with the four points, so the real problem for us is that there are three or four teams (Port, Brisbane, Melbourne and probably still Geelong) that can turn the screws on us if we come out and play like this.

Only positive from the last four weeks is that we've hit the turn at 11-2 with a two game gap to third, otherwise you'd have to say it's been a somewhat disappointing month overall with our dip in form and failure to bank some bigger wins.

Focus from here needs to be improving our consistency across four quarters and secure that top-2 spot at season's end - we don't necessarily have to play our best football for the full 120 minutes, but not slipping below 85-90% of that level as often as we have been this past month is where the improvement will come for us moving into the business end of the season.

Why do we get the flu so much but our opponents never do ?

 

[Frankie23]

Our contest work has been down over the last few weeks and it showed today, Viney and co beat us around the footy and that was the difference.

They got clearance dominance, which turned into territory dominance due to their very good defensive structure.

Bye comes at a good time, 11-2 a very good position to be in.

 

[toxic]

It was a horrible team performance today (it happens)

We are still top of the ladder

Take a breath before posting ridiculous reactionary comments

 

[SchuPie]

I’d even give him a run at half-back for a while.

Yep - anything
If he can develop a huge tank like the rest of the boys in the 1s, he’ll at least give himself a chance

 

[Looney]

“Beaten up in the middle”? - we actually won centre clearances.

That's definitely misleading. most of our center clearances were desperate hack kicks out of the center. Most of their clearances were well orchestrated by Petracca and Viney.

 

[Finnishpie]

Was an off day for us after coming in off another flu-ridden week at the club, so not much point picking it apart on a player-by-player basis as we were pretty ordinary for most of the game and seems too willing to settle at playing to the opposition's level and style of football (again). Having said that if you take out a handful of really stupid mistakes then we probably still sneak away with the four points, so the real problem for us is that there are three or four teams (Port, Brisbane, Melbourne and probably still Geelong) that can turn the screws on us if we come out and play like this.

Only positive from the last four weeks is that we've hit the turn at 11-2 with a two game gap to third, otherwise you'd have to say it's been a somewhat disappointing month overall with our dip in form and failure to bank some bigger wins.

Focus from here needs to be improving our consistency across four quarters and secure that top-2 spot at season's end - we don't necessarily have to play our best football for the full 120 minutes, but not slipping below 85-90% of that level as often as we have been this past month is where the improvement will come for us moving into the business end of the season.

One positive is a bit more game time for some peripheral players. I would still like to see some others get a chance. Macrae, Bianco, Carmichael, Ruscoe, Kreuger should all get some game time this year. We need to see if they have futures or not.

 

[cwoodgal]

Why do we get the flu so much but our opponents never do ?

This. Like I said in the other thread, it seems to be an excuse for every time we lose that it’s starting to lose its credibility.


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[archie965]

That's definitely misleading. most of our center clearances were desperate hack kicks out of the center. Most of their clearances were well orchestrated by Petracca and Viney.

Yeah despite the numbers Melbourne smashed us in (effective) centre clearances, they took it out so cleanly so many times.

 

[Finnishpie]

Why do we get the flu so much but our opponents never do ?

Weak immune systems after the heavy off-season festivities. It’s the only explanation!

 

[windchimes]

We were really poor today, really, and their kicking woes kept us in it as they were all over us in all areas on the field.

I think it's a good opportunity for us to go away into the bye and work on developing the areas we need to improve and get our form cherry ripe going into September. The flag isn't won at the bye rounds, plenty of time to get things right. We did have absences that hurt us but it was our break down in system and predictability today that did us in the most. Let's go away and fix that.

Individually wise, I think there's a few that will not hold their spot after the bye. Most of our forward line were uncompetitive today. We may need to shake things up a bit now.

 

[Looney]

Sounds a lot like crowd-favourite Ginni……and then there’s McInnes, who provides……well, actually, I have no idea what he provides.


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Reef is having a hard time adjusting to AFL footy. He's still just a kid so have patience

 

[The Royal Sampler]

As poor as Johnson was, it was a mistake to sub him off instead of Reef

Can’t help but agree. Whatever McInnes is, it ain’t a forward.

 

[stormskye]

This. Like I said in the other thread, it seems to be an excuse for every time we lose that it’s starting to lose its credibility.


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Covid and the flu went through the club this week, it’s well documented

 

[Monco Matt]

It will be good for us in the long run to go into the long break with a loss. It will keep everyone grounded mentally and physically (no Bali trips this year!!).

That which does not kill us will make us stronger. You can hear the pressure valve releasing as we speak.

Gear up for big back half of the year. The machine is just warming up!!

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Darcy Cameron

14

Darcy Cameron

Age

29

Ht

204cm

Wt

103kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

2.7

2star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

3.5

5star

D

6.0

2star

K

3.3

2star

HB

2.7

3star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

:

13 hitouts from 60 ruck contests.

Mason Cox

46

Mason Cox

Age

33

Ht

211cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.7

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

:
12 hitouts from 24 ruck contests.

Cameron cant be our #1 ruck.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Melbourne deserved the win and beat us in most contests after quarter time. Actually a great sign we were a kick away after lacking spark for a lot of the game.

Mate the scoreboard flattered us beyond belief. It’s naïveté to take solace in the margin.

 

[Chameleon75]

This. Like I said in the other thread, it seems to be an excuse for every time we lose that it’s starting to lose its credibility.


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Our only other loss was against Brisbane, can’t recall a single person saying that was due to flu.